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Posted: 8/20/2014 2:02:50 PM EDT
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Inarticulate question.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 2:09:07 PM EDT
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What if you were born anything?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 2:09:53 PM EDT
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What would be God's purpose?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 2:11:57 PM EDT
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OP, you trying to tell us something?
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Posted: 8/20/2014 2:13:25 PM EDT
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doesn't that mean that God made them gay only to be damned? gay people are not damned. next question? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:42:24 AM EDT
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They want to be teachers of the law, although they don't understand what they are saying or what they are insisting on. Now, we know that the law is good, provided one uses it legitimately. We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful (or those albeit who practice iniquity), for the unholy (or for those who have not been set apart), and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers (or those who shun the wise and godly teachings and precepts according to what a parent is supposed to teach their children in righteousness), For murderers (or those who would deny God's truth concerning everyone and everything):
For the sexually immoral (which is any sexual behavior outside of the marriage bed which is undefiled) and homosexuals, or kidnappers (or those who are predisposed to hold others against their will; which could also be that of a spiritual or emotional nature also), liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching (or in certain instances, sound doctrine that has been attached to something else which might promote other complications; according to a situation which causes sin, as is abstinence from godly things which God has indeed made the body to receive) based on the glorious gospel of the blessed God (or the God who gives great blessings) that was entrusted to me. 1st Timothy 1: 7-11 False Doctrine and Misuse of the Law: The Practice of Sin Which Leads to Death |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:45:38 AM EDT
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Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code and list prohibited forms of intercourse, contain the following verses:
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:46:56 AM EDT
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gay people are not damned. next question? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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doesn't that mean that God made them gay only to be damned? gay people are not damned. next question? care to back that up with anything or just your opinion? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:50:55 AM EDT
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Original sin. We're all born with impulses to do sinful things.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:00:00 AM EDT
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No. Let me give the quick and dirty answer.
In a lot of ways this question goes back to creation. In the beginning all things were perfect. When our first parents Adam and Eve rejected God they fell from perfection and the curse of sin and death was pronounced upon them. Sin changed everything. Suddenly everything in the created order went sideways with the fundamental flaw of sin. People started aging, people developed illnesses, and people lived their lives with the desire to sin constantly. Because sin changed everything it frankly wouldn't surprise me if there was a gay gene. Just as we have found genetic markers that inclines people toward alchoholism, obesity, and mental illnesses which can drive people to commit horrendous acts. Things like homosexuality, murder, lying, ect. are nothing more than symptoms of a much deeper sin sickness. It is that sin that separates us from God and ultimately damns us. The solution isn't to simply treat the symptoms but to cure the sickness. The only thing that can release us from the curse of sin and death is the free grace of God offered through Jesus Christ. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:12:23 AM EDT
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Here is a question to blow a liberals mind.
If you could test for the gay gene in the womb, and you found out your child would be gay, would it be ok to abort it? Watch their heads explode. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:22:58 AM EDT
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Here is a question to blow a liberals mind. If you could test for the gay gene in the womb, and you found out your child would be gay, would it be ok to abort it? Watch their heads explode. That possibility was mentioned by a conservative leader a few years back. And yes, gaskets were blown. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:46:21 AM EDT
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The solution isn't to simply treat the symptoms but to cure the sickness. The only thing that can release us from the curse of sin and death is the free grace of God offered through Jesus Christ. umm...conundrum, he releases us from death...upon death???? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:48:16 AM EDT
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Coming out thread?
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:01:51 AM EDT
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Coming out thread? Coming out from what Chief? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:33:04 AM EDT
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umm...conundrum, he releases us from death...upon death???? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The solution isn't to simply treat the symptoms but to cure the sickness. The only thing that can release us from the curse of sin and death is the free grace of God offered through Jesus Christ. umm...conundrum, he releases us from death...upon death???? You don't have much of a grasp on what Christians believe, do you? Barring the return of Christ in our lifetime, we will die because the curse still affects us. In the end those who have died in the faith will be resurrected to eternal life. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:42:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code and list prohibited forms of intercourse, contain the following verses: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." So only the bottom is damned? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:43:24 AM EDT
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Not GD...VA-gunnut
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Posted: 8/21/2014 11:49:14 AM EDT
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If anyone does not take up his or her own cross and follow Jesus Christ repenting and then turning away from the habitual practice of any sin by accepting Him as Savior, even just sinning once in their lifetimes, will cause death.
First physically, as almost all have. And then spiritually dead as to be inept of the kingdom of God, as many will not be called to repentance by God the Father, that being, the One who judges righteously and fairly. Those will be designated as the Christian Bible states; to be damned to the Pit and nothing further. Thanks. SAE |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 12:15:59 PM EDT
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care to back that up with anything or just your opinion? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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doesn't that mean that God made them gay only to be damned? gay people are not damned. next question? care to back that up with anything or just your opinion? CCC 2357-2359 |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 12:36:53 PM EDT
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doesn't that mean that God made them gay only to be damned? gay people are not damned. next question? care to back that up with anything or just your opinion? CCC 2357-2359 
I know that this one will be good! 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 1:34:04 PM EDT
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Do you not know that the unjust (or the ones who have not been called by election) will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male or female prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, the greedy, drunkards (or the ones who practice Pharmacia), revilers, or swindlers (or those who devour the houses of the weak) will inherit God's kingdom.
Some of you were like this; but you were washed, you were sanctified (or blessed and accepted through the shedding of blood), you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God (or the Holy Spirit of God to be in us). Letter to the Corinthian Church by the Apostle Paul: Doctor of the Law 1st Corinthians 6: 9-11 The Ones who Practice Sin: The Wages of Unrighteousness |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 1:45:54 PM EDT
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..... hmm.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:14:19 PM EDT
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These people are springs without water, merely mists driven by a whirlwind. The gloom of darkness has been reserved for them. For uttering bombastic empty words, they seduce, by fleshly desires and debauchery, people who have barely escaped from those who live in error (or from those who live in total error). They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption, since people are enslaved to whatever defeats them.
The Apostle Peter and Disciple of Jesus Christ 2nd Peter 2: 17-19 Living in Error: Slaves of Corruption |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 2:23:07 PM EDT
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.. ,,, govt denies knowledge, we were never here.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 3:10:08 PM EDT
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And He said to them,
''Lets go on to the neighboring villages so that I may preach there too. This is why I have come." So He went into all of Galilee, preaching in their synagogues and driving out demons. Mark 1: 38-39 |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 3:39:25 PM EDT
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You know, "watchers" and stuff.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:03:28 PM EDT
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In a lot of ways this question goes back to creation. In the beginning all things were perfect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
In a lot of ways this question goes back to creation. In the beginning all things were perfect. All things were not perfect. Adam and Eve were created as mortal beings. What can die, is hardly perfect. When our first parents Adam and Eve rejected God they fell from perfection and the curse of sin and death was pronounced upon them. Adam and Eve didn't reject God. They just disobeyed one order. And they only did that because God was an irresponsible parent, who failed utterly to implement appropriate safeguards to protect his ignorant kids. I'd wager that as children, probably everyone here disobeyed their parents at least once. That doesn't mean we stopped loving our parents, and wanting them in our lives. Sin changed everything. Suddenly everything in the created order went sideways with the fundamental flaw of sin. People started aging, people developed illnesses, and people lived their lives with the desire to sin constantly. Sin didn't change everything. It was God's actions that actually changed things. If Adam and Eve had been allowed to remain in the Garden and eat from the Tree of Life, would they not have lived forever and been immune to illness? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:08:41 PM EDT
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All things were not perfect. Adam and Eve were created as mortal beings. What can die, is hardly perfect. In the garden Adam & eve were immortal. If they weren't, Gods warning that disobedience brings death is hardly a deterrent. Adam and Eve didn't reject God. They just disobeyed one order. And they only did that because God was an irresponsible parent, who failed utterly to implement appropriate safeguards to protect his ignorant kids. I'd wager that as children, probably everyone here disobeyed their parents at least once. That doesn't mean we stopped loving our parents, and wanting them in our lives. Sin is at its core a rejection of Gods rule over us. A &E deliberately chose to go against him. Sin didn't change everything. It was God's actions that actually changed things. If Adam and Eve had been allowed to remain in the Garden and eat from the Tree of Life, would they not have lived forever and been immune to illness? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In a lot of ways this question goes back to creation. In the beginning all things were perfect. All things were not perfect. Adam and Eve were created as mortal beings. What can die, is hardly perfect. In the garden Adam & eve were immortal. If they weren't, Gods warning that disobedience brings death is hardly a deterrent. When our first parents Adam and Eve rejected God they fell from perfection and the curse of sin and death was pronounced upon them. Adam and Eve didn't reject God. They just disobeyed one order. And they only did that because God was an irresponsible parent, who failed utterly to implement appropriate safeguards to protect his ignorant kids. I'd wager that as children, probably everyone here disobeyed their parents at least once. That doesn't mean we stopped loving our parents, and wanting them in our lives. Sin is at its core a rejection of Gods rule over us. A &E deliberately chose to go against him. Sin changed everything. Suddenly everything in the created order went sideways with the fundamental flaw of sin. People started aging, people developed illnesses, and people lived their lives with the desire to sin constantly. Sin didn't change everything. It was God's actions that actually changed things. If Adam and Eve had been allowed to remain in the Garden and eat from the Tree of Life, would they not have lived forever and been immune to illness? Expulsion from the garden is as much as a blessing as it is a curse. Just imagine a world where people were people can victimize others eternally. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:09:22 PM EDT
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umm...conundrum, he releases us from death...upon death???? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The solution isn't to simply treat the symptoms but to cure the sickness. The only thing that can release us from the curse of sin and death is the free grace of God offered through Jesus Christ. umm...conundrum, he releases us from death...upon death???? No conundrum. Acceptance, (with repentance), of Christ's crucifixion as the Lamb of God, frees the sinner from the wages of sin, which is death, an eternal spiritual separation from God, and bestows eternal life. We are not saved by keeping the law, since it is impossible for any human to keep the law, we are saved by grace through faith. We were also given a new law, as stated in John 13:34, love each other, just as Christ has loved us. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:54:39 PM EDT
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In a lot of ways this question goes back to creation. In the beginning all things were perfect. All things were not perfect. Adam and Eve were created as mortal beings. What can die, is hardly perfect. In the garden Adam & eve were immortal. That's a quite illogical statement, and contradicted by Genesis 3:22-24: Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever””— therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man; and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. If Adam and Eve were created immortal, why would God want to stop them from eating of the tree of life, in order to prevent them from living "for ever"? |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:20:48 PM EDT
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When our first parents Adam and Eve rejected God they fell from perfection and the curse of sin and death was pronounced upon them. Adam and Eve didn't reject God. They just disobeyed one order. And they only did that because God was an irresponsible parent, who failed utterly to implement appropriate safeguards to protect his ignorant kids. I'd wager that as children, probably everyone here disobeyed their parents at least once. That doesn't mean we stopped loving our parents, and wanting them in our lives. Sin is at its core a rejection of Gods rule over us. A &E deliberately chose to go against him. Not exactly. Neither Adam nor Eve deliberately set out to disobey God. Eve was seduced by the serpent, and Adam was later given the fruit - which he may not have recognized as being the forbidden variety - by Eve. That Eve believed what a talking snake told her is proof that she was, at best, naïve and unknowledgeable, too ignorant to be trusted to behave correctly on her own. That God did not bother to warn Adam and Eve to distrust the serpent, shows that he was derelict in his responsibilities as a parent. That God did not prevent the serpent from entering the Garden, and indeed knowingly allowed the serpent to seduce Eve, shows that God was a child abuser. |
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:26:57 PM EDT
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Here is a question to blow a liberals mind. If you could test for the gay gene in the womb, and you found out your child would be gay, would it be ok to abort it? Watch their heads explode. 
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:31:20 PM EDT
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Not exactly. Neither Adam nor Eve deliberately set out to disobey God. Eve was seduced by the serpent, and Adam was later given the fruit - which he may not have recognized as being the forbidden variety - by Eve. That Eve believed what a talking snake told her is proof that she was, at best, naïve and unknowledgeable, too ignorant to be trusted to behave correctly on her own. That God did not bother to warn Adam and Eve to distrust the serpent, shows that he was derelict in his responsibilities as a parent. That God did not prevent the serpent from entering the Garden, and indeed knowingly allowed the serpent to seduce Eve, shows that God was a child abuser. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When our first parents Adam and Eve rejected God they fell from perfection and the curse of sin and death was pronounced upon them. Adam and Eve didn't reject God. They just disobeyed one order. And they only did that because God was an irresponsible parent, who failed utterly to implement appropriate safeguards to protect his ignorant kids. I'd wager that as children, probably everyone here disobeyed their parents at least once. That doesn't mean we stopped loving our parents, and wanting them in our lives. Sin is at its core a rejection of Gods rule over us. A &E deliberately chose to go against him. Not exactly. Neither Adam nor Eve deliberately set out to disobey God. Eve was seduced by the serpent, and Adam was later given the fruit - which he may not have recognized as being the forbidden variety - by Eve. That Eve believed what a talking snake told her is proof that she was, at best, naïve and unknowledgeable, too ignorant to be trusted to behave correctly on her own. That God did not bother to warn Adam and Eve to distrust the serpent, shows that he was derelict in his responsibilities as a parent. That God did not prevent the serpent from entering the Garden, and indeed knowingly allowed the serpent to seduce Eve, shows that God was a child abuser. Golf clap. Everyone let's welcome our "everyone is a victim" liberal troll hailing from Ca. 2/10 troll attempt. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:14:56 AM EDT
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Golf clap. Everyone let's welcome our "everyone is a victim" liberal troll hailing from Ca. 2/10 troll attempt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When our first parents Adam and Eve rejected God they fell from perfection and the curse of sin and death was pronounced upon them. Adam and Eve didn't reject God. They just disobeyed one order. And they only did that because God was an irresponsible parent, who failed utterly to implement appropriate safeguards to protect his ignorant kids. I'd wager that as children, probably everyone here disobeyed their parents at least once. That doesn't mean we stopped loving our parents, and wanting them in our lives. Sin is at its core a rejection of Gods rule over us. A &E deliberately chose to go against him. Not exactly. Neither Adam nor Eve deliberately set out to disobey God. Eve was seduced by the serpent, and Adam was later given the fruit - which he may not have recognized as being the forbidden variety - by Eve. That Eve believed what a talking snake told her is proof that she was, at best, naïve and unknowledgeable, too ignorant to be trusted to behave correctly on her own. That God did not bother to warn Adam and Eve to distrust the serpent, shows that he was derelict in his responsibilities as a parent. That God did not prevent the serpent from entering the Garden, and indeed knowingly allowed the serpent to seduce Eve, shows that God was a child abuser. Golf clap. Everyone let's welcome our "everyone is a victim" liberal troll hailing from Ca. 2/10 troll attempt. How sad. You can't refute my post with facts or logic, so you resort to sarcasm and personal attack. Get back to me if and when you become capable of rational response. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 1:39:43 PM EDT
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Not exactly. Neither Adam nor Eve deliberately set out to disobey God. Eve was seduced by the serpent, and Adam was later given the fruit - which he may not have recognized as being the forbidden variety - by Eve. That Eve believed what a talking snake told her is proof that she was, at best, naïve and unknowledgeable, too ignorant to be trusted to behave correctly on her own. That God did not bother to warn Adam and Eve to distrust the serpent, shows that he was derelict in his responsibilities as a parent. That God did not prevent the serpent from entering the Garden, and indeed knowingly allowed the serpent to seduce Eve, shows that God was a child abuser. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When our first parents Adam and Eve rejected God they fell from perfection and the curse of sin and death was pronounced upon them. Adam and Eve didn't reject God. They just disobeyed one order. And they only did that because God was an irresponsible parent, who failed utterly to implement appropriate safeguards to protect his ignorant kids. I'd wager that as children, probably everyone here disobeyed their parents at least once. That doesn't mean we stopped loving our parents, and wanting them in our lives. Sin is at its core a rejection of Gods rule over us. A &E deliberately chose to go against him. Not exactly. Neither Adam nor Eve deliberately set out to disobey God. Eve was seduced by the serpent, and Adam was later given the fruit - which he may not have recognized as being the forbidden variety - by Eve. That Eve believed what a talking snake told her is proof that she was, at best, naïve and unknowledgeable, too ignorant to be trusted to behave correctly on her own. That God did not bother to warn Adam and Eve to distrust the serpent, shows that he was derelict in his responsibilities as a parent. That God did not prevent the serpent from entering the Garden, and indeed knowingly allowed the serpent to seduce Eve, shows that God was a child abuser. God said don't eat it. A & E said screw it, and did any way. Not seeing that as a deliberate act tells us more about you than anything. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:23:13 PM EDT
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God said don't eat it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Neither Adam nor Eve deliberately set out to disobey God. Eve was seduced by the serpent, and Adam was later given the fruit - which he may not have recognized as being the forbidden variety - by Eve. That Eve believed what a talking snake told her is proof that she was, at best, naïve and unknowledgeable, too ignorant to be trusted to behave correctly on her own. That God did not bother to warn Adam and Eve to distrust the serpent, shows that he was derelict in his responsibilities as a parent. That God did not prevent the serpent from entering the Garden, and indeed knowingly allowed the serpent to seduce Eve, shows that God was a child abuser. God said don't eat it. Yup. And with God being omniscient, he would've known that simply saying, "Don't!" would be inadequate, especially considering the circumstances. A & E said screw it, and did any way. I found nothing in Genesis which said Adam even knew he was eating the forbidden fruit. Only Eve said, "Screw it," and she only did so after God allowed the serpent to go in and convince her there was really nothing wrong with eating it. Not seeing that as a deliberate act tells us more about you than anything. I didn't say eating the fruit wasn't a deliberate act. I said that Adam and Eve did not deliberately set out to disobey God. It's questionable if Eve would ever have eaten the fruit, if she had been protected from the serpent. But no, God not only didn't keep the serpent out of the Garden, God didn't even bother to warn Adam and Eve, "Hey kids, if you meet a talking snake, don't believe a word he says, because he lies a lot." That you don't see this as irresponsible parenting by God tells me much about your character. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 5:52:57 PM EDT
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Yup. And with God being omniscient, he would've known that simply saying, "Don't!" would be inadequate, especially considering the circumstances. I found nothing in Genesis which said Adam even knew he was eating the forbidden fruit. Only Eve said, "Screw it," and she only did so after God allowed the serpent to go in and convince her there was really nothing wrong with eating it. I didn't say eating the fruit wasn't a deliberate act. I said that Adam and Eve did not deliberately set out to disobey God. It's questionable if Eve would ever have eaten the fruit, if she had been protected from the serpent. But no, God not only didn't keep the serpent out of the Garden, God didn't even bother to warn Adam and Eve, "Hey kids, if you meet a talking snake, don't believe a word he says, because he lies a lot." That you don't see this as irresponsible parenting by God tells me much about your character. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Neither Adam nor Eve deliberately set out to disobey God. Eve was seduced by the serpent, and Adam was later given the fruit - which he may not have recognized as being the forbidden variety - by Eve. That Eve believed what a talking snake told her is proof that she was, at best, naïve and unknowledgeable, too ignorant to be trusted to behave correctly on her own. That God did not bother to warn Adam and Eve to distrust the serpent, shows that he was derelict in his responsibilities as a parent. That God did not prevent the serpent from entering the Garden, and indeed knowingly allowed the serpent to seduce Eve, shows that God was a child abuser. God said don't eat it. Yup. And with God being omniscient, he would've known that simply saying, "Don't!" would be inadequate, especially considering the circumstances. A & E said screw it, and did any way. I found nothing in Genesis which said Adam even knew he was eating the forbidden fruit. Only Eve said, "Screw it," and she only did so after God allowed the serpent to go in and convince her there was really nothing wrong with eating it. Not seeing that as a deliberate act tells us more about you than anything. I didn't say eating the fruit wasn't a deliberate act. I said that Adam and Eve did not deliberately set out to disobey God. It's questionable if Eve would ever have eaten the fruit, if she had been protected from the serpent. But no, God not only didn't keep the serpent out of the Garden, God didn't even bother to warn Adam and Eve, "Hey kids, if you meet a talking snake, don't believe a word he says, because he lies a lot." That you don't see this as irresponsible parenting by God tells me much about your character. And what exactly does it say about my character? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 6:23:49 PM EDT
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The "serpent" was and is a metaphoric designation for "Satan" who came to them and was already known to them as an, "angel of light" and was there by God's direction for him to bring the first two down and under his (the Devil's) control, but not forever for many of us.
There is a deeper message here concerning the "fall" in heaven sometime before and in the eternal realm as the origination of God's intent for the all of universal physical creation to receive changes. This has happened according to the spiritual law of reoccurrences; concerning Lucifer's original attempt to sit on the throne of God in heaven; now as then in a continual state of warfare, spilled out from heaven onto the earth. A plan. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:08:36 PM EDT
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2nd Samuel 15 & 18, to start.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:23:28 PM EDT
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The "serpent" was and is a metaphoric designation for "Satan" who came to them and was already known to them as an, "angel of light" and was there by God's direction for him to bring the first two down... Precisely. It's illogical and irrational to blame Adam and Eve for "the fall," when the whole thing was so obviously planned and orchestrated by God. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:24:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:47:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2014 7:58:53 PM EDT
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Absalom was riding on his mule when he happened to meet David's soldiers. When the mule went under the tangled branches of a large oak tree, Absalom's head was caught fast in the tree (or was suspended between heaven and earth by the pride of his long and beautiful hair). The mule (or the king's mule; not belonging to Absalom) under him kept going, so he was suspended in midair. One of the men saw him and informed Joab (or king David's military commander). He said, "I just saw Absalom hanging in an oak tree!" "You just saw him!" Joab exclaimed. "Why didn't you strike him to the ground right then and there? I would have given you 10 silver pieces and an expensive fighting belt!" The man replied to Joab, "Even if I had the weight of 1,000 pieces of silver in my hand, I would not raise my hand against the king's son. For we heard the king command you, Abishai, and Ittai, 'Protect the young man Absalom for me.' If I had jeopardized my own life------and nothing is hidden from the king------you would have abandoned me." Joab said, "I'm not going to waist my time with you!" He then took three spears in his hand and thrust them into Absalom's heart while he was still alive in the oak tree, and 10 young men who were Joab's armor-bearers surrounded Absalom, struck him, and finally killed him. Afterwards, Joab blew the ram's horn, and the troops broke off their pursuit of Israel because Joab restrained them. They took Absalom, threw him into a large pit in the forest, and piled a huge mound of stones over him. And all Israel fled, each to his own tent. 2nd Samuel 18: 9-17 Absalom's Death: The King's Son and Pseudo Heir: Killed for Seditious Acts Against the Throne of David: Linage of the One called Jesus Christ: The Son of God |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:25:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: care to back that up with anything or just your opinion? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: doesn't that mean that God made them gay only to be damned? gay people are not damned. next question? care to back that up with anything or just your opinion? |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 8:29:48 PM EDT
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Pretty sure that means that "survival of the fittest" would be disproved at the same time.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:10:39 PM EDT
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Precisely. It's illogical and irrational to blame Adam and Eve for "the fall," when the whole thing was so obviously planned and orchestrated by God. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The "serpent" was and is a metaphoric designation for "Satan" who came to them and was already known to them as an, "angel of light" and was there by God's direction for him to bring the first two down... Precisely. It's illogical and irrational to blame Adam and Eve for "the fall," when the whole thing was so obviously planned and orchestrated by God. The greatest salesman who ever lived. Trained at the throne of God while trying to undo Him. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:21:49 PM EDT
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And what exactly does it say about my character? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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God said don't eat it. Yup. And with God being omniscient, he would've known that simply saying, "Don't!" would be inadequate, especially considering the circumstances. A & E said screw it, and did any way. I found nothing in Genesis which said Adam even knew he was eating the forbidden fruit. Only Eve said, "Screw it," and she only did so after God allowed the serpent to go in and convince her there was really nothing wrong with eating it. Not seeing that as a deliberate act tells us more about you than anything. I didn't say eating the fruit wasn't a deliberate act. I said that Adam and Eve did not deliberately set out to disobey God. It's questionable if Eve would ever have eaten the fruit, if she had been protected from the serpent. But no, God not only didn't keep the serpent out of the Garden, God didn't even bother to warn Adam and Eve, "Hey kids, if you meet a talking snake, don't believe a word he says, because he lies a lot." That you don't see this as irresponsible parenting by God tells me much about your character. And what exactly does it say about my character? It suggests you are an Atheist troll. |
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:26:13 PM EDT
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Done.
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Posted: 8/22/2014 9:26:24 PM EDT
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