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Posted: 7/6/2012 12:43:42 AM

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I am a Jew, and I have no hostility towards Christians. Lots of good people.

However, I am baffled (and annoyed) by these guys who drop a bucket upside down on a busy street corner, climb on, and start shouting at people as they walk by about Jesus and hell and salvation etc.

What always happens is that a big vacuum forms, where the guy has a 15-20 foot radius where people just go around him and avoid making eye contact. No one really pays attention, at least that I can tell.

Why bother? Wouldn't it be better to work out some other way to get people's attention? Example: on a hot day, hand out free ice water and a pamphlet with each glass. Etc.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 2:38:05 AM
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Generally, that individuals "Christianity" is only a fear of divine punishment. Therefore that is all they feel that needs to be preached.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 3:42:10 AM
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Best one I ever saw was in Austin, TX on the corner of the main drag right off of the UT campus, in the shadow of the tower.
He was full-on fire and brimstone. Spouting scripture and nonsense alternately and shouting "Whore!" at every woman who walked by.
Guy looked like a Diane Arbus photo. It was quite entertaining but it didn't make me want to love Jesus.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 5:32:02 AM
some street preachers are crazy..period.



some are doing what they see as their mission to save ONE soul and HOPE to save 100
Christains are told to spead the gospel..some are more open in doing so...
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Posted: 7/6/2012 6:33:57 AM
It's a worthy cause to want to help your fellow humans avoid losing their souls even though most people do not realize what that really means.
It's sort of like building a building without any training. It takes training from someone who knows how to do it.
Jesus is that teacher and savior because he has been there and done that. He is the example we are to follow.
Even Paul (formerly Saul) who was well versed in the Jewish law had to spend three years being taught the true application of it by Jesus and his followers before he was ready to teach others.
Many people, street preachers included, try to help others before they themselves are equiped to do so and so they may end up sounding like fools. Fools for Christ they may be but it is a worthy endeavor.
It is best to learn about Jesus and try to be like Him. Jesus was never "pushy".
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Posted: 7/6/2012 7:59:07 AM
Originally Posted By flightsimmer:
It's a worthy cause to want to help your fellow humans avoid losing their souls even though most people do not realize what that really means.
It's sort of like building a building without any training. It takes training from someone who knows how to do it.
Jesus is that teacher and savior because he has been there and done that. He is the example we are to follow.
Even Paul (formerly Saul) who was well versed in the Jewish law had to spend three years being taught the true application of it by Jesus and his followers before he was ready to teach others.
Many people, street preachers included, try to help others before they themselves are equiped to do so and so they may end up sounding like fools. Fools for Christ they may be but it is a worthy endeavor.
It is best to learn about Jesus and try to be like Him. Jesus was never "pushy".




bunch of tax collectors and government officials would argue that..
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Posted: 7/6/2012 9:54:35 AM
As a Christian : I can honestly say - They are doing it wrong.

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Your selfrighteous angst and sit uppon it.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 10:14:37 AM
"I saw a man with tatt on his big fat belly
It wriggled around like marmalade jelly
It took me a while to catch what it said
Cause I had to match the rhythm
Of his belly with my head
'Jesus Saves' is what it raved in a typical tattoo green
He stood on a box in the middle of the city
And claimed he had a dream-DC Talk"

Some could be crazy some scammers/cult members some serious messengers of Jesus Christ.
It’s certainly not the way I would go about it…..but, at the end of the day, people do remember the seemingly crazy dude who tells people to flee from sin to Jesus because God’s Judgment is at hand.

For people who serve Jesus results as men define them don’t ultimately matter.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 12:26:15 PM
Haven't seen that since I was a boy and the same scenario you described with a 25' radius no-entry zone. It's never seemed
wise to me, however, the Old Testament prophets can be seen in similar scenarios, Jonas sure didn't want to go to Ninevah and
do that but he did and it worked. Some times God seems to have some put on sack cloth and cry out in the streets. He works
in mysterious ways some times, and who knows if this man might plant a few seeds into some individual walking by that isn't watered
until thirty years later.

My opinion is if the gentlemen feels that is his calling, he's God's servant not mine. Do it well.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 10:28:51 PM
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I'm sure they wonder why so many people make no effort at all to spread the Gospel.

Street preacher vs. silent "christian". Which one is more troubling?
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Posted: 7/7/2012 11:07:41 PM
"Spreading the Gospel" does not necessarily mean you stand on a bucket on a busy street and shout at people about Hell.

Perhaps doing good works in public, leading by example, etc. will cause people to take notice. Some of the best people I know who are Christians do things like deliver Meals On Wheels, build houses for the working poor, etc.

Originally Posted By Cavu:
I'm sure they wonder why so many people make no effort at all to spread the Gospel.

Street preacher vs. silent "christian". Which one is more troubling?


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Posted: 7/7/2012 11:31:43 PM
In Nashville Tn during CMA Fanfest this year, there was a street preacher on 2nd and Broadway... the first two days it was him by himself... the next 2 days, he was joined by three other people. Everyone gave them a wide berth. No insults were shouted by anyone and they were left alone. A couple of cute Canadian girls my wife and I ran into were amused that the preachers were allowed to practice their craft... we explained it as part of our freedom of speech.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 11:46:53 PM
Originally Posted By blood_donor:
I am a Jew, and I have no hostility towards Christians. Lots of good people.

However, I am baffled (and annoyed) by these guys who drop a bucket upside down on a busy street corner, climb on, and start shouting at people as they walk by about Jesus and hell and salvation etc.

What always happens is that a big vacuum forms, where the guy has a 15-20 foot radius where people just go around him and avoid making eye contact. No one really pays attention, at least that I can tell.

Why bother? Wouldn't it be better to work out some other way to get people's attention? Example: on a hot day, hand out free ice water and a pamphlet with each glass. Etc.


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Posted: 7/8/2012 1:00:21 AM
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Originally Posted By blood_donor:
"Spreading the Gospel" does not necessarily mean you stand on a bucket on a busy street and shout at people about Hell.

Perhaps doing good works in public, leading by example, etc. will cause people to take notice. Some of the best people I know who are Christians do things like deliver Meals On Wheels, build houses for the working poor, etc.

Originally Posted By Cavu:
I'm sure they wonder why so many people make no effort at all to spread the Gospel.

Street preacher vs. silent "christian". Which one is more troubling?


I never said that the only way to "spread the Gospel" was by preaching on a street corner. What I am saying is that we have more to worry about in the form of apathy by those who consider themselves Christians. It doesn't surprise me that "some of the best people you know" are Christians that have chosen to serve. But of their congregation, what percentage do what they do? 10%, 5%, my guess would be probably even less. I stand by my assertion that the deafening silence by so called Christians is much more troubling than the ramblings of a comparatively minuscule number of street preachers.

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Posted: 7/9/2012 1:07:36 AM

Originally Posted By Postal0311:
Generally, that individuals "Christianity" is only a fear of divine punishment. Therefore that is all they feel that needs to be preached.

On the other hand, nearly all christians don't even bother to share the gospel let alone mention the judgement and hell.

It should also be mentioned that fear of divine punishment isn't all they are about, but it drives them and rightfully so. It scares me that people I know are going to go to hell.
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Posted: 7/9/2012 1:18:57 AM

Originally Posted By 1IV:
As a Christian : I can honestly say - They are doing it wrong.

LOVE is a verb. Take t
Your selfrighteous angst and sit uppon it.

I'm not claiming every street preacher is doing it right, but if love is a verb, how does that make them self righteous?

If a blind man was about to walk off a cliff, which is more loving? Warning him or watching him step off the cliff?
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Originally Posted By blood_donor:
I am a Jew, and I have no hostility towards Christians. Lots of good people.

However, I am baffled (and annoyed) by these guys who drop a bucket upside down on a busy street corner, climb on, and start shouting at people as they walk by about Jesus and hell and salvation etc.

What always happens is that a big vacuum forms, where the guy has a 15-20 foot radius where people just go around him and avoid making eye contact. No one really pays attention, at least that I can tell.

Why bother? Wouldn't it be better to work out some other way to get people's attention? Example: on a hot day, hand out free ice water and a pamphlet with each glass. Etc.


I went to a "christian" college... Cedarville college, before it became a university. Before it got taken over by a bunch of truth denying, < offensive language edited >.

Oops, I'm sorry, my tourettes had a flare up.

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Anyway, there was a dude that started a group/program on campus called Open Heirs where we would go to different parts of Cinci and walk around and talk to peeps about Jesus.

On more than one occasion we would be down at Fountain Square, a kind of big downtown plaza that featured the fountain seen on WKRP in Cinci TV show.

A couple of those times there were some dudes from a Pentecostal type fire and brimstone church taking turns preaching at the top of their lungs, standing on a platform, with the other dudes handing out tracts.

We were a little less invasive in our approach. I personally saw a couple of people become believers thru the word spoken from my mouth.

Granted, I did no follow up, and have no idea if they became disciples.

But I do remember being a little annoyed, even embarrassed by the loud guys' approach.

But who cares what I think if God's spirit is moving men to preach at the top of their lungs?

So to get to the point and answer your question, when God opens your eyes and fills you with His spirit...you want to tell the world about Him.

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Posted: 7/13/2012 2:01:25 PM
Originally Posted By blood_donor:
I am a Jew, and I have no hostility towards Christians. Lots of good people.

However, I am baffled (and annoyed) by these guys who drop a bucket upside down on a busy street corner, climb on, and start shouting at people as they walk by about Jesus and hell and salvation etc.

What always happens is that a big vacuum forms, where the guy has a 15-20 foot radius where people just go around him and avoid making eye contact. No one really pays attention, at least that I can tell.

Why bother? Wouldn't it be better to work out some other way to get people's attention? Example: on a hot day, hand out free ice water and a pamphlet with each glass. Etc.


We have two types here in NOLA. Type A strolls around Bourbon St. preaching through bullhorns (well, they used to, but the bullhorns got nixed, so now they just shout and carry huge signs describing how all non-protestants are hellbound,) and generally getting abused by the drunk passers by (especially around Mardi Gras when they come out in force,) and also trying to pass out pamphlets. Type B also is much more force for Mardi Gras, but they hand out bottles of water and pamphlets and arrange for clean restrooms on or near the route by using nearby churches or renting homes on the route or making arrangements with nearby business (whereby the religious folks will pay the business owner for use of the restroom on behalf of others.)

Guess which type has a mound of discarded and wadded up pamphlets surrounding them, and which type does not.

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Posted: 7/17/2012 6:47:55 PM
I think for many of them, they have mental health issues, and/or are sort of "attention whores" who use preaching as an excuse to fill their need for attention.
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Posted: 7/17/2012 7:14:32 PM
Pearl Buck grew up in China circa 1900. She relates how her father was a missionary and overheard something while doing 'street preaching' in China, it was something like: 'Don't be rude. This doofus thinks he will gain merit in his heaven if he does this so don't be impoite, just listen and humor him for a while'.

For you kids, that doesn't mean to tell him jokes but to pretend to agree or 'go along' with him.just to be polite. After overhearing that, he realized he needed a diferent approach.
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Posted: 7/21/2012 4:18:20 PM
Originally Posted By blood_donor:
I am a Jew, and I have no hostility towards Christians. Lots of good people.

However, I am baffled (and annoyed) by these guys who drop a bucket upside down on a busy street corner, climb on, and start shouting at people as they walk by about Jesus and hell and salvation etc.

What always happens is that a big vacuum forms, where the guy has a 15-20 foot radius where people just go around him and avoid making eye contact. No one really pays attention, at least that I can tell.

Why bother? Wouldn't it be better to work out some other way to get people's attention? Example: on a hot day, hand out free ice water and a pamphlet with each glass. Etc.


Didn't the same GOD that Jews and Christians believe in, use prophets in the Old Testament to basically do the same thing to the OT Jewish Nation? Those Prophets ranted against the sins of Israel & Judah. They went out in the streets of their day, and gave a very unpopular message from GOD.

Ezekiel had to do some pretty strange and difficult physical messages, like lying on his side for 40 days for the Southern Kingdom ( Judah ) and 390 days for the Northern Kingdom. ( Israel )

Check it out. It's in the Old Testament.... Major Prophets / Ezekiel's physical message / Isreal & Judah map

I don't remember reading anywhere in the Bible about these guys handing out any ice cold water to anyone that they had to preach to.

But maybe you would have been "Annoyed" at these guys as well?

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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:34:30 PM
Originally Posted By T1NMAN:
"I saw a man with tatt on his big fat belly
It wriggled around like marmalade jelly
It took me a while to catch what it said
Cause I had to match the rhythm
Of his belly with my head
'Jesus Saves' is what it raved in a typical tattoo green
He stood on a box in the middle of the city
And claimed he had a dream-DC Talk"

Some could be crazy some scammers/cult members some serious messengers of Jesus Christ.
It’s certainly not the way I would go about it…..but, at the end of the day, people do remember the seemingly crazy dude who tells people to flee from sin to Jesus because God’s Judgment is at hand.

For people who serve Jesus results as men define them don’t ultimately matter.


Good answer
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Posted: 7/24/2012 4:10:59 PM
I am a Christian and I have been doing some thinking on the whole "open-air preaching" thing. It seems to me that 95% of the time it's done COMPLETELY wrong. They are either of the two polar opposites; "God is love...Jesus loves you...choose him" or "God is going to come and kill you all...Repent or burn in hell!" Just the other night my parents and I were walking Beale Street and three older guys were holding up a sign and yelling.
I don't think that "open-air preaching" is inherently bad; I just think that people are in the "cage stage" of public witnessing. I would whole heartily endorse and help anyone who was calm and collected, maybe put up an sign that had a question on it that would draw people in and then talk to them. (so they don't disrupt people who are with their friends and family). I've seen it done right...I just think it's few and far between.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 5:42:12 PM
Originally Posted By Little_Herman:
I am a Christian and I have been doing some thinking on the whole "open-air preaching" thing. It seems to me that 95% of the time it's done COMPLETELY wrong. They are either of the two polar opposites; "God is love...Jesus loves you...choose him" or "God is going to come and kill you all...Repent or burn in hell!" Just the other night my parents and I were walking Beale Street and three older guys were holding up a sign and yelling.
I don't think that "open-air preaching" is inherently bad; I just think that people are in the "cage stage" of public witnessing. I would whole heartily endorse and help anyone who was calm and collected, maybe put up an sign that had a question on it that would draw people in and then talk to them. (so they don't disrupt people who are with their friends and family). I've seen it done right...I just think it's few and far between.


Preaching is by its very nature and intent a presentation of the word of God, not humanistic ideas of either love or threats. In other words, the natural man doesn't save himself vis a vis responding to some idea; rather the word of God enters the mind is acted upon by the Holy Spirit and regenerates the soul which responds in faith and repentance. "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Rom 10:17

It is not faith cometh of ones own decision to choose some idea because you want something or are afraid of something and then figure out how to hear. God is the one that saves, people don't save themselves. In other words, man isn't adjudicating his own sin in Christ; rather, it is by grace - but so many seem to be converting the Gospel into a work of faith that apparently they think activates grace. It's basically being presented that one adjudicates their own sin in Jesus, faith is the method of that adjudication, then God will give you Grace and save you. This isn't the Gospel.

Eph 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Faith is just a conduit, it's not a lever. The Gospel is about the grace of God saving men, faith is the conduct of the gift of Grace, but it is entirely monergistic.

God loves you, choose him - is not the Gospel
God is going to judge you, choose him - is not the Gospel
God sent His Son that whoever believes on Him will be saved - is the Gospel.

I think rather than doing it completely wrong that it is in fact, in many instances, another Gospel. It is preaching the truth of God's Grace, not some mechanism of man's activity, that is the Gospel. It is not the Gospel of faith, but the Gospel of Grace.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 8:59:42 PM
I agree completely. The Holy Spirit can and will ONLY sponsor the Gospel. I do, however, think that your mode of preaching the Gospel does have it's place.
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There are many words of good counsel in this thread. All I will say is that the spreading of the Gospel is not selling a product, it is a supernatural work of God in the hearts of men.

If the speaker is preaching out in the open air because s/he feels convicted by the Spirit to do so, then nothing else matters, even if it doesn't seem like it's working.

If s/he is doing it out of vanity, ego, self-righteousness or a desire for attention, preaching a counterfeit gospel in order to entice and/or scare people into salvation, then all their work is vain either way.


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O Lord, You induced me, and I was persuaded;
You are stronger than I, and have prevailed.
I am in derision daily;
Everyone mocks me.
8 For when I spoke, I cried out;
I shouted, "Violence and plunder!”
Because the word of the Lord was made to me
A reproach and a derision daily.
9 Then I said, "I will not make mention of Him,
Nor speak anymore in His name.”
But His word was in my heart like a burning fire
Shut up in my bones;
I was weary of holding it back,
And I could not.

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