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Posted: 7/2/2012 11:36:09 AM
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Polygamy is wrong mostly because of the social dysfunction it creates for modern societies. Back in the day when the men were dying by the bushel in wars maybe it was o.k. But today it leads to sexual abuse of minors and the abandonment of male children. I understand the "abandonment of male children" part because of the logistics involved. The abuse of minors part I believe was largely a result of the way the polygamous communities were pushed to the fringe by a government that outlawed their lifestyle while simultaneously turning a blind eye to it. That allowed the polygamous communities to become havens for predators who realized that the government wouldn't keep a close eye on them. I'm not personally convinced that polygamy itself pushes people to abuse children (at any rate disproportionate to what we see in the standard population). |
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:37:12 PM
Originally Posted By Shane333: Originally Posted By happycynic: Polygamy is wrong mostly because of the social dysfunction it creates for modern societies. Back in the day when the men were dying by the bushel in wars maybe it was o.k. But today it leads to sexual abuse of minors and the abandonment of male children. I understand the "abandonment of male children" part because of the logistics involved. The abuse of minors part I believe was largely a result of the way the polygamous communities were pushed to the fringe by a government that outlawed their lifestyle while simultaneously turning a blind eye to it. That allowed the polygamous communities to become havens for predators who realized that the government wouldn't keep a close eye on them. I'm not personally convinced that polygamy itself pushes people to abuse children (at any rate disproportionate to what we see in the standard population). Polygamy drastically reduces the supply of women. So the logic of the "dating market" is to get women as soon as it is socially acceptable, and to continue to push that age younger and younger. It's a race to the bottom. As soon as one man starting cherry picking the best "women" at age 14, 13, etc., then all the others have to follow suit or be left out. |
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Shane333
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Posted: 7/2/2012 5:53:07 PM
Originally Posted By happycynic:
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By happycynic:
Polygamy is wrong mostly because of the social dysfunction it creates for modern societies. Back in the day when the men were dying by the bushel in wars maybe it was o.k. But today it leads to sexual abuse of minors and the abandonment of male children. I understand the "abandonment of male children" part because of the logistics involved. The abuse of minors part I believe was largely a result of the way the polygamous communities were pushed to the fringe by a government that outlawed their lifestyle while simultaneously turning a blind eye to it. That allowed the polygamous communities to become havens for predators who realized that the government wouldn't keep a close eye on them. I'm not personally convinced that polygamy itself pushes people to abuse children (at any rate disproportionate to what we see in the standard population). Polygamy drastically reduces the supply of women. So the logic of the "dating market" is to get women as soon as it is socially acceptable, and to continue to push that age younger and younger. It's a race to the bottom. As soon as one man starting cherry picking the best "women" at age 14, 13, etc., then all the others have to follow suit or be left out. Ah, an interesting dynamic that never occurred to me. Now that you point it out I can see how it would probably lead to that eventually, particularly in an insular community. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 4:47:38 PM
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Well actually as someone that has lived a poly lifestyle, Myself, MrsWind and a several MsWinds. it does work. Our only problem was finding the right woman. But during the times we had a live in GF, household chores were easier, there was no fighting, we never do anyway. And I must admit that going to the mall between two blondes was fun.... But on the morality, it is defined that we are monogamous. The Church allowed it prior to the 11th century. At that time priests became celibate and polygamy was banned. In the 13th century the Eastern European Jews banned it. But it was to take pressure off them from the Christians that persecuted them.
As a Jew and a Celt, it was allowed in our cultures, but with everyone sticking their nose in our business...it was socially banned, then legally banned. But how can a religious tenent become a law? Why do I have to lie your way? Or you conform to my beliefs? As for support from organizations, NOW and other woman's groups have supported it because in effect it frees women to let them have careers and a family. An example being a lawyer. She works hard to become one, but it is a very draining occupation. With two wives in a relationship, one can be free to follow a career, the other to be a Mom and wife. The household has two incomes and that in these times can be a make or break for a family. In the days we are facing one of the main reasons for polygamy comes to the forefront....more hands to work on the homestead, more income, and an adult always around to look after the children. As for the dating pool, just go ask a couple of single 30-40 something women about the available men? They will clamour...where? That group is often hard pressed to find a man, often leading single women to prey on married men...they want a man and could care less if they have to take him. Polygamy means that a guy that takes care of his family gets a better chance of two women, than the guy that hits the bars and sleeps with whatever. I know I have a reference, MrsWind....she has told a few women, I share and him part time is better than most assholes full time. |
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Posted: 7/4/2012 4:53:46 PM
If I was crazy wealthy, I'd probably have multiple wives.
Think harem. Odalisque. |
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TheWind
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Posted: 7/4/2012 4:55:54 PM
I am not crazy wealthy, but have had two women cook me dinner......it is nice.
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Shane333
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Posted: 7/8/2012 9:51:44 PM
Originally Posted By TheWind:
Well actually as someone that has lived a poly lifestyle, Myself, MrsWind and a several MsWinds. it does work. Our only problem was finding the right woman. But during the times we had a live in GF, household chores were easier, there was no fighting, we never do anyway. And I must admit that going to the mall between two blondes was fun.... But on the morality, it is defined that we are monogamous. The Church allowed it prior to the 11th century. At that time priests became celibate and polygamy was banned. In the 13th century the Eastern European Jews banned it. But it was to take pressure off them from the Christians that persecuted them. As a Jew and a Celt, it was allowed in our cultures, but with everyone sticking their nose in our business...it was socially banned, then legally banned. But how can a religious tenent become a law? Why do I have to lie your way? Or you conform to my beliefs? As for support from organizations, NOW and other woman's groups have supported it because in effect it frees women to let them have careers and a family. An example being a lawyer. She works hard to become one, but it is a very draining occupation. With two wives in a relationship, one can be free to follow a career, the other to be a Mom and wife. The household has two incomes and that in these times can be a make or break for a family. In the days we are facing one of the main reasons for polygamy comes to the forefront....more hands to work on the homestead, more income, and an adult always around to look after the children. As for the dating pool, just go ask a couple of single 30-40 something women about the available men? They will clamour...where? That group is often hard pressed to find a man, often leading single women to prey on married men...they want a man and could care less if they have to take him. Polygamy means that a guy that takes care of his family gets a better chance of two women, than the guy that hits the bars and sleeps with whatever. I know I have a reference, MrsWind....she has told a few women, I share and him part time is better than most assholes full time. I apologize in advance for the hijack, but I'm sincerely curious to know why single 30-40 year old women would have a difficult time finding available men? After all, the gender demographics are close to 50/50 (in the USA at least), so one could assume that for every single woman, there is a single man out there somewhere. |
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Posted: 7/10/2012 12:06:21 AM
Guys their age are chasing much younger women and they don;t realize the advantages oof older men
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Shane333
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Posted: 7/10/2012 12:05:32 PM
Originally Posted By TheWind:
Guys their age are chasing much younger women and they don;t realize the advantages oof older men OK, I see now. For milenia there has been a trend for women to marry men older than themselves. Sometimes much older. She would be in her reproductive prime in her late teens and into her twenties, and he would often be in his prime as a provider in his 30's or 40's. While social norms have changed and many more women have entered the workforce, women still face the reality that their reproductive prime is in their late teens to their twenties, and men still tend to reach their prime as potential providers in their thirties or later. Perhaps what many single women in their thirties are realizing is that they've been ignoring the window of their reproductive prime and are left competing with younger women, while potentially ignoring (as you pointed out) the men age 40 or older. |
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Posted: 7/10/2012 9:04:17 PM
As someone who began dating again in his 40's, I will tell you that there are a lot of neglected older women out there (30's to early 50's). They want what all of us want, companionship and company.
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Posted: 7/11/2012 11:53:28 PM
Exactly Shane, I was 36 when I got free of my first wife. I was chased by an assortment of 20 somethings with a few thirtysomethings. And they stalked me prior to my separation. ,I just stopped saying no to them. In my late 40s and 50s, it was the same....20 to 30s. I am established and damn it if the daddy thing works I will be using it!
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