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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:53:52 AM EDT
[#1]
The new Challenger looks good though:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/04/new-york-2014-2015-dodge-challenger-gets-badly-needed-upgrades/ |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:07:11 AM EDT
[#2]
Challenger: What did they change
Charger: Holy fuck its a bigass dart (ugly) Mustang: I like it....a lot actually Camaro: same as challenger, don't really see many changes aside from tail lights...... |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:12:29 AM EDT
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Around here a 4x4 would win.. the roads are so bad they are not even putting cold patch. just plain or dirt in the holes and humps.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:30:44 AM EDT
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I'm a Mustang guy all the way but damn that Challenger is pure sex.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:43:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Challenger: What did they change
Charger: Holy fuck its a bigass dart (ugly) Mustang: I like it....a lot actually Camaro: same as challenger, don't really see many changes aside from tail lights...... Looks like an all new interior, shaker hood option, 8-spd auto transmission, new tailights, new front grill & fascia. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:54:21 PM EDT
[#6]
Aside from small tweaks, the challenger and camaro look unchanged from the last 7 years or so.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:30:26 PM EDT
[#7]
Challenger
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:46:42 PM EDT
[#8]
I love the challenger the best looks wise, but holy shit I test drove an SRT-8 yesterday and the sticker price was 52k. I realize this is the top trim, but a camaro SS or Mustang GT can be had for mid-30's. Maybe 40 for a loaded camaro SS. And it would be justifiable if the interior was awesome, but IT AINT! The interior in my 2012 Lariat F-150 is much nicer. Even a ZL-1 camaro which is much more powerful is only about 4k more.
I am sure they run like a bat out of hell, but for that kind of scratch I just don't want a cheap plastic/ rubber dashboard interface. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:20:19 PM EDT
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My 2011 Camaro getting custom Twins installed. PTE6766 turbos at 20 psi. Pics taken yesterday and tune is tomorrow. Anticipating between 1200 and 1325 HP.    |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:48:43 PM EDT
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My 2011 Camaro getting custom Twins installed. PTE6766 turbos at 20 psi. Pics taken yesterday and tune is tomorrow. Anticipating between 1200 and 1325 HP.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0829_zpsad61b844.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0816_zpse2fc1c79.jpg What are you doing to help the transmission survive that kind of power? |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:06:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What are you doing to help the transmission survive that kind of power? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 2011 Camaro getting custom Twins installed. PTE6766 turbos at 20 psi. Pics taken yesterday and tune is tomorrow. Anticipating between 1200 and 1325 HP. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0829_zpsad61b844.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0816_zpse2fc1c79.jpg What are you doing to help the transmission survive that kind of power? |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:15:14 PM EDT
[#12]
Oh baby.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:41:35 PM EDT
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I love the challenger the best looks wise, but holy shit I test drove an SRT-8 yesterday and the sticker price was 52k. I realize this is the top trim, but a camaro SS or Mustang GT can be had for mid-30's. Maybe 40 for a loaded camaro SS. And it would be justifiable if the interior was awesome, but IT AINT! The interior in my 2012 Lariat F-150 is much nicer. Even a ZL-1 camaro which is much more powerful is only about 4k more. I am sure they run like a bat out of hell, but for that kind of scratch I just don't want a cheap plastic/ rubber dashboard interface. Bought mine for 46k (fully loaded) well worth it. That being said I think the new changes to the exterior of the challenger look like shit. Im not digging he split taillights or the crash avoidance shit on the front of it. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:18:22 PM EDT
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Bought mine for 46k (fully loaded) well worth it. That being said I think the new changes to the exterior of the challenger look like shit. Im not digging he split taillights or the crash avoidance shit on the front of it. <a href="http://s435.photobucket.com/user/mattal21/media/20140413_101346_zpsd8veobhk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq74/mattal21/20140413_101346_zpsd8veobhk.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love the challenger the best looks wise, but holy shit I test drove an SRT-8 yesterday and the sticker price was 52k. I realize this is the top trim, but a camaro SS or Mustang GT can be had for mid-30's. Maybe 40 for a loaded camaro SS. And it would be justifiable if the interior was awesome, but IT AINT! The interior in my 2012 Lariat F-150 is much nicer. Even a ZL-1 camaro which is much more powerful is only about 4k more. I am sure they run like a bat out of hell, but for that kind of scratch I just don't want a cheap plastic/ rubber dashboard interface. Bought mine for 46k (fully loaded) well worth it. That being said I think the new changes to the exterior of the challenger look like shit. Im not digging he split taillights or the crash avoidance shit on the front of it. <a href="http://s435.photobucket.com/user/mattal21/media/20140413_101346_zpsd8veobhk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq74/mattal21/20140413_101346_zpsd8veobhk.jpg</a> I love that color. I was hard pressed against plum crazy purple and torred red on my charger. The challenger got a slight revise. It's hardly anything to bat an eyelash over. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat's confusing about this photo is it's an RT but the shaker says 392. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 6:37:46 AM EDT
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What's confusing about this photo is it's an RT but the shaker says 392. Quote HistoryQuoted:
What's confusing about this photo is it's an RT but the shaker says 392. If I'm reading this right it could be selected as an option... I think. I mean I hope. I mean I want. 
Eight trim levels are now available, with new Shaker and Scat Pack models available with the 5.7L and 6.4L V8 on the Shaker, while the Scat Pack gets the 6.4L engine exclusively |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 6:56:01 PM EDT
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The 2008-2014 Challenger were reminiscent of the 1970. The 2015 takes design cues from the 1971 (but IMO as a '71 owner doesn't do a good job with them). Too much safety crap just makes the front end look kind of bulbous. That said I wouldn't mind having one... not at all. And the interior does look somewhat less generic now.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 6:46:33 PM EDT
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Aren't the Dodges still using a 1998 Mercedes front suspension, and 2002 Mercedes rear suspension? The LX platform is getting a little geriatric.
Also, those cars are porkers. The Mustang is going to be what, 1,000 pounds lighter? |
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Posted: 4/19/2014 7:57:12 PM EDT
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Aren't the Dodges still using a 1998 Mercedes front suspension, and 2002 Mercedes rear suspension? The LX platform is getting a little geriatric. Also, those cars are porkers. The Mustang is going to be what, 1,000 pounds lighter? The rear was totally revamped in 2012 I believe. The front still uses mostly the same except it doesnt have as much aluminum 
The RT's run in around 3950#'s, SRT's run around 4200#'s or so. The GT Mustang runs in around 3600#'s (although they are rumored to be pulling 300#'s from the GT in 2015) The SRT's are much quicker to 60 and in the 1/4 but get slayed in the twisties. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:06:59 AM EDT
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My 2011 Camaro getting custom Twins installed. PTE6766 turbos at 20 psi. Pics taken yesterday and tune is tomorrow. Anticipating between 1200 and 1325 HP.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0829_zpsad61b844.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0816_zpse2fc1c79.jpg I am curious to see how the inlet tubing for the turbos is going to get routed. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:25:46 AM EDT
[#21]
Here is how the twins are run on my 426 SRT8. 23psi.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:44:32 AM EDT
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The rear was totally revamped in 2012 I believe. The front still uses mostly the same except it doesnt have as much aluminum
The RT's run in around 3950#'s, SRT's run around 4200#'s or so. The GT Mustang runs in around 3600#'s (although they are rumored to be pulling 300#'s from the GT in 2015) The SRT's are much quicker to 60 and in the 1/4 but get slayed in the twisties. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Aren't the Dodges still using a 1998 Mercedes front suspension, and 2002 Mercedes rear suspension? The LX platform is getting a little geriatric. Also, those cars are porkers. The Mustang is going to be what, 1,000 pounds lighter? The rear was totally revamped in 2012 I believe. The front still uses mostly the same except it doesnt have as much aluminum
The RT's run in around 3950#'s, SRT's run around 4200#'s or so. The GT Mustang runs in around 3600#'s (although they are rumored to be pulling 300#'s from the GT in 2015) The SRT's are much quicker to 60 and in the 1/4 but get slayed in the twisties. Current SRT's? Pretty much every test I've seen has the regular Mustang GT running 0-60 in the 4.4-4.5 range, and the SRT Challenger in the 4.6-4.8 range. Quarter mile....virtually the same Mustang GT running 12.6-12.8 and the SRT running 12.7-13.0. The new Mustang GT pretty much set the standard for performance muscle cars.....the new SRT8 with the new motor however may finally take that up, but then again from a price standpoint, the SRT series is more of a direct competitor to the GT500 and such. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:53:12 AM EDT
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Yeah, the current 300 392's are running 4.2's and 12.6's and they are the heaviest of the LC/LX's and with the 5 speed auto. The 15's are getting the 8 speed. The Challengers are quicker (auto only which they rarely tested for some reason) Yes, the manuals are slower than the GT's in most cases. Its because they suffer a stupid fuel/ignition cutoff when the clutch is activated slowing them down.
The R/T's didnt even show up for the game. They barely beat V6 cars. One reason is the really low 5700 rpm redline. The manual R/T's cant hit 60 in 2nd gear, they have to shift to 3rd. It takes 10hp to overcome 100 pounds of weight disadvantage. The Challenger SRT core weighs 4160, the GT track pack weighs 3622. The 300 weighs 4387 . The SRT has 50 more HP which is a wash, but has 80 more torque and 3.92 gears opposed to 3.73.
Next year when the 15 GT comes out, it will be the new leader, then the Hellcat will come out and be the new leader. The big 3 leap frog each other every couple of years. Isnt the HP war great! |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:44:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am curious to see how the inlet tubing for the turbos is going to get routed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My 2011 Camaro getting custom Twins installed. PTE6766 turbos at 20 psi. Pics taken yesterday and tune is tomorrow. Anticipating between 1200 and 1325 HP. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0829_zpsad61b844.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0816_zpse2fc1c79.jpg I am curious to see how the inlet tubing for the turbos is going to get routed. Some better pics with the air filters....maybe that is what was confusing you.  The 2 into one pipe goes into the intercooler here on the passenger side and exits on the drivers side and continues to the intake  |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:55:09 AM EDT
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Shot of the intake tube, note dual meth nozzles. We are gonna have to relocate the MAF sensor here in the intake tube, the tuner did not like the cars response to the MAF in the intercooler. So the saga continues. Also first start up after 3 months down. You can tell the car doesnt like the MAF sensor in its current location.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 9:21:16 AM EDT
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MAF instead of MAP?
Ouch, good looking build though. I'm jelly.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 10:42:58 AM EDT
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Yeah, the current 300 392's are running 4.2's and 12.6's and they are the heaviest of the LC/LX's and with the 5 speed auto. The 15's are getting the 8 speed. The Challengers are quicker (auto only which they rarely tested for some reason) Yes, the manuals are slower than the GT's in most cases. Its because they suffer a stupid fuel/ignition cutoff when the clutch is activated slowing them down. The R/T's didnt even show up for the game. They barely beat V6 cars. One reason is the really low 5700 rpm redline. The manual R/T's cant hit 60 in 2nd gear, they have to shift to 3rd. It takes 10hp to overcome 100 pounds of weight disadvantage. The Challenger SRT core weighs 4160, the GT track pack weighs 3622. The 300 weighs 4387 . The SRT has 50 more HP which is a wash, but has 80 more torque and 3.92 gears opposed to 3.73.
Next year when the 15 GT comes out, it will be the new leader, then the Hellcat will come out and be the new leader. The big 3 leap frog each other every couple of years. Isnt the HP war great! Thats actually good to know, didnt realize the new ones were hauling that much ass. Amazing how when the C5 ZO6 came out and was doing this, it was basically revolutionary in terms of speed and one of the fastest sports cars of its generation. Now there are 4000+ lbs monsters basically doing the same thing. So to answer your question, yes....horsepower wars are absolutely fantastic. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 11:06:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, the current 300 392's are running 4.2's and 12.6's and they are the heaviest of the LC/LX's and with the 5 speed auto. The 15's are getting the 8 speed. The Challengers are quicker (auto only which they rarely tested for some reason) Yes, the manuals are slower than the GT's in most cases. Its because they suffer a stupid fuel/ignition cutoff when the clutch is activated slowing them down. The R/T's didnt even show up for the game. They barely beat V6 cars. One reason is the really low 5700 rpm redline. The manual R/T's cant hit 60 in 2nd gear, they have to shift to 3rd. It takes 10hp to overcome 100 pounds of weight disadvantage. The Challenger SRT core weighs 4160, the GT track pack weighs 3622. The 300 weighs 4387 . The SRT has 50 more HP which is a wash, but has 80 more torque and 3.92 gears opposed to 3.73. Next year when the 15 GT comes out, it will be the new leader, then the Hellcat will come out and be the new leader. The big 3 leap frog each other every couple of years. Isnt the HP war great! |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:30:07 PM EDT
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If you're going to compare the top of the line Challenger, also include the GT500 and the ZL1/Z28. There's no contest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, the current 300 392's are running 4.2's and 12.6's and they are the heaviest of the LC/LX's and with the 5 speed auto. The 15's are getting the 8 speed. The Challengers are quicker (auto only which they rarely tested for some reason) Yes, the manuals are slower than the GT's in most cases. Its because they suffer a stupid fuel/ignition cutoff when the clutch is activated slowing them down. The R/T's didnt even show up for the game. They barely beat V6 cars. One reason is the really low 5700 rpm redline. The manual R/T's cant hit 60 in 2nd gear, they have to shift to 3rd. It takes 10hp to overcome 100 pounds of weight disadvantage. The Challenger SRT core weighs 4160, the GT track pack weighs 3622. The 300 weighs 4387 . The SRT has 50 more HP which is a wash, but has 80 more torque and 3.92 gears opposed to 3.73.
Next year when the 15 GT comes out, it will be the new leader, then the Hellcat will come out and be the new leader. The big 3 leap frog each other every couple of years. Isnt the HP war great! I guess we could, it wont stand a chance though. Lets compare a $40,000 SRT vs a $64,000 GT500 and a $75,000 Z28. Thats what the Hellcat will compete with next year with its estimated 640-680hp and corresponding price tag. We will know more about that one next month. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 2:42:50 PM EDT
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I guess we could, it wont stand a chance though. Lets compare a $40,000 SRT vs a $64,000 GT500 and a $75,000 Z28. Thats what the Hellcat will compete with next year with its estimated 640-680hp and corresponding price tag. We will know more about that one next month. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, the current 300 392's are running 4.2's and 12.6's and they are the heaviest of the LC/LX's and with the 5 speed auto. The 15's are getting the 8 speed. The Challengers are quicker (auto only which they rarely tested for some reason) Yes, the manuals are slower than the GT's in most cases. Its because they suffer a stupid fuel/ignition cutoff when the clutch is activated slowing them down. The R/T's didnt even show up for the game. They barely beat V6 cars. One reason is the really low 5700 rpm redline. The manual R/T's cant hit 60 in 2nd gear, they have to shift to 3rd. It takes 10hp to overcome 100 pounds of weight disadvantage. The Challenger SRT core weighs 4160, the GT track pack weighs 3622. The 300 weighs 4387 . The SRT has 50 more HP which is a wash, but has 80 more torque and 3.92 gears opposed to 3.73.
Next year when the 15 GT comes out, it will be the new leader, then the Hellcat will come out and be the new leader. The big 3 leap frog each other every couple of years. Isnt the HP war great! I guess we could, it wont stand a chance though. Lets compare a $40,000 SRT vs a $64,000 GT500 and a $75,000 Z28. Thats what the Hellcat will compete with next year with its estimated 640-680hp and corresponding price tag. We will know more about that one next month. Why so much challenger hate? Have you ever driven one. They are badass. Id love to have a twin turbo set up like Archtaan's. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 4:39:15 PM EDT
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NOt sure what you are referring to. You can see the tubing coming off the compressor housings and combining. Some better pics with the air filters....maybe that is what was confusing you.http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/IMG_0840_zps70838e32.jpg The 2 into one pipe goes into the intercooler here on the passenger side and exits on the drivers side and continues to the intake http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/IMG_0838_zps643be092.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My 2011 Camaro getting custom Twins installed. PTE6766 turbos at 20 psi. Pics taken yesterday and tune is tomorrow. Anticipating between 1200 and 1325 HP.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0829_zpsad61b844.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/twin%20turbos/IMG_0816_zpse2fc1c79.jpg I am curious to see how the inlet tubing for the turbos is going to get routed. Some better pics with the air filters....maybe that is what was confusing you.http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/IMG_0840_zps70838e32.jpg The 2 into one pipe goes into the intercooler here on the passenger side and exits on the drivers side and continues to the intake http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/bullf-16/IMG_0838_zps643be092.jpg Thanks. I was thinking there would be some plumbing that would put the air filters up in a more conventional location. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 8:15:15 AM EDT
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Looks like an all new interior, shaker hood option, 8-spd auto transmission, new tailights, new front grill & fascia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Challenger: What did they change
Charger: Holy fuck its a bigass dart (ugly) Mustang: I like it....a lot actually Camaro: same as challenger, don't really see many changes aside from tail lights...... Looks like an all new interior, shaker hood option, 8-spd auto transmission, new tailights, new front grill & fascia. The shaker hood is being offered as its own separate edition. They should have made it an across the board option with the v8's. Now you have to order that special edition R/T, or get the Scat Pack option to get the shaker hood on a 392. Sometimes I think the marketing dept at dodge is made up of college age females and/or metrosexual males. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:34:39 AM EDT
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Did they put the Challenger on a weight loss plan yet?
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