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Posted: 7/21/2012 8:54:37 PM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I'm too old to want a crotch rocket, and I haven't reached my mid-life crisis to make me want to get a Harley. But sweet Jesus would I like to have one of these: ![]() I've been considering buying an old Royal Enfield or a Triumph to restore, and eventually getting a sidecar to mount on it, but I've heard it's not such a great thing to put a sidecar on a motorcycle that wasn't built for it. And it seems the sidecar will cost a lot more to buy and have mounted than the motorcycle itself will be. I've heard it's better to buy a Ural if I want a sidecar motorcycle, but apparently they were very poorly made until recently, and if I'm going to spend $10K for a motorcycle it had better be worth the money. And motorcycles with sidecars are supposed to be very difficult to drive, but I figure I never learned to ride a 2 wheel motorcycle so maybe it will be a bit easier to learn from scratch. So does anyone have experience with motorcycles with a sidecar, and want to talk me into or out of one? |
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Posted: 7/21/2012 9:05:53 PM
Sidecarnutz has a Ural with sidecar. You might want to shoot him a message. He's a good dude.
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Posted: 7/22/2012 12:17:49 PM
Been riding 40 years and have had a sidecar rig in addition to solo bikes for last 9 years. I've had 2 Urals and now have a Yamaha V-Star 1100 with a Ural sidecar. Full disclosure: I work for the Ural dealer in Prescott, AZ.
The more recent Urals are far more reliable and better quality than even 6-7 years ago. If you likey, buy as new as possible, 08-up is best, and look for a nice stock bike that has been maintained. Urals have a sidecar wheel brake and reverse gear that make life better for most. If you decide to put a rig together I suggest you use at least a 750 cc cruiser/standard bike with appropriate sidecar. I suggest you contact a guy named Bob Wark in southern Ohio www.thewarkshop.com. He's a great guy who will give you straight advice on bike/sidecar selection. Even with my experience, I had him put my rig together and he did it well, for a fair price. Sidecars handle funny, get a lot of attention and are fun even though most are slow. You can carry stuff, if you're single you will get a lot of attention and you can take your dog along. Sidecarists are the lunatic fring of motorcycling. Al Bond |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 1:19:48 PM
Originally Posted By ab15:
If you decide to put a rig together I suggest you use at least a 750 cc cruiser/standard bike with appropriate sidecar. I suggest you contact a guy named Bob Wark in southern Ohio www.thewarkshop.com. He's a great guy who will give you straight advice on bike/sidecar selection. Even with my experience, I had him put my rig together and he did it well, for a fair price. At this point I think I'm going to end up putting one together on an older Yamaha or Honda. I figure it will be easier to do the maintenance this way. I've been looking at the thewarkshop.com for the last few days getting ideas and deciding if I'm up to the challenge of driving one of these. Sidecars handle funny, get a lot of attention and are fun even though most are slow. You can carry stuff, if you're single you will get a lot of attention and you can take your dog along. Sidecarists are the lunatic fring of motorcycling.
It sounds like they would suit me just fine Thanks for the help |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 1:45:04 PM
Google up "Mr. Cob" and look at the sidecar section of ADVrider and look at Soviet Steeds.
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Posted: 7/22/2012 10:03:04 PM
yes, urals of not too long ago SUCKED as far as quality goes. I would not touch one.
Side cars turn motorcycles into............ a sinking barge full of rocks. Or at least they feel that way. Handling is dramatically reduced. Sure, you do not have to balance a bike at a stop BUT you completely loose the ability to corner by leaning. Instead you now have a machine that seems (as in 'gives the false suggestion of") to be stable but then rolls dramatically once it is pushed too far. You need to put a lot more energy and movement into cornering, and if you fail to do so, you CAN end up under that side car. If you are unsure about a motorcycle, then a trike (or can am spider) may be a better option. They handle poorly compared to motorcycles but they are more predictable than a side car |
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Posted: 7/22/2012 11:18:54 PM
Originally Posted By frozenny: yes, urals of not too long ago SUCKED as far as quality goes. I would not touch one. Side cars turn motorcycles into............ a sinking barge full of rocks. Or at least they feel that way. Handling is dramatically reduced. Sure, you do not have to balance a bike at a stop BUT you completely loose the ability to corner by leaning. Instead you now have a machine that seems (as in 'gives the false suggestion of") to be stable but then rolls dramatically once it is pushed too far. You need to put a lot more energy and movement into cornering, and if you fail to do so, you CAN end up under that side car. If you are unsure about a motorcycle, then a trike (or can am spider) may be a better option. They handle poorly compared to motorcycles but they are more predictable than a side car I spent all day at work today reading the manuals at sidecar.com I realize that the sidecar rigs are pretty difficult to drive. I admit it's a bit disconcerting that these things seem to be on the verge of flipping every time you make a turn. That said, I figured if they are taken for what they are (i.e. something that belongs in the 1920s) then it wouldn't be too bad. I planned to putter around my neighborhood on the weekends, maybe take it grocery shopping. It seems like the most fun that could be had at 40 mph |
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Posted: 7/24/2012 12:24:07 AM
If you had a sidecar you could rescue Indiana Jones and his father...
or get laughed at for your cheesy Steampunk costume...
or take beautiful women to Oktoberfest
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Posted: 7/24/2012 12:39:40 AM
Originally Posted By disco_jon75: If you had a sidecar you could rescue Indiana Jones and his father... http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/7484498234_0bbb2157e7_b.jpg or get laughed at for your cheesy Steampunk costume... http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8005/7483777038_2348590ef6_b.jpg or take beautiful women to Oktoberfest http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6561314811_547603d359_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7006/6561305689_c343f03394_z.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7159/6561285259_aa7c2b80d5_b.jpg It was your thread that made me want one. I think I'm going to take the course to get my 3-wheel license, then decide if I can handle driving one. |
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Posted: 7/24/2012 12:53:33 AM
That bike makes me grin every time i ride it, though anything longer than an hour left me sore. I haven't tried it with my new seat. I can haul a ton of groceries, kids wave, people smile, and its a hoot at parades. The retro styling helps. I do wish the steering were tweaked a bit. I get bad head shake if I dont steer with both hands at low speed.
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Posted: 7/24/2012 1:16:27 AM
Originally Posted By disco_jon75: That bike makes me grin every time i ride it, though anything longer than an hour left me sore. I haven't tried it with my new seat. I can haul a ton of groceries, kids wave, people smile, and its a hoot at parades. The retro styling helps. I do wish the steering were tweaked a bit. I get bad head shake if I dont steer with both hands at low speed. I love the retro look of yours. The sidecar really suits the bike. I was looking at a Honda Goldwing with a Ural sidecar on Craigslist today and the thing looked like a prop from a B-grade SciFi movie. ![]() |
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Posted: 7/24/2012 11:31:12 PM
Trikes say "Old man that can't hold a bike up any more". Sidecars give an entirely different message about you. Women are very definitely attracted to sidecar rigs-when I had my Ural, I was always having random women saying "I'd love to ride in that", and I'm just an ordinary older guy.
A rig handles nothing like a solo motorcycle-there is a lengthy learning curve involved. You don't just plunk your money down,and ride away. You will be riding around a parking lot for a while before you even think about heading out on the street. Right turns make you think the rig is going to flip, until you get used to the feeling. I had an old 650 Ural, which was primitive,compared to the new ones,even though they look the same. I might get 55 mph out of it by really twisting its tail, but it was really only happy at 45. The new ones can easily keep up on the highways,and the engines are stronger. Don't even think of putting a 'car on a Royal Enfield-they are lucky to do 45 then (I have a Bullet also). My interests changed, and I sold the Ural last year to make room in the garage for a Ford Model A. There are times I miss that Ural,though. |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 1:59:17 AM
Originally Posted By disco_jon75:
That bike makes me grin every time i ride it, though anything longer than an hour left me sore. I haven't tried it with my new seat. I can haul a ton of groceries, kids wave, people smile, and its a hoot at parades. The retro styling helps. I do wish the steering were tweaked a bit. I get bad head shake if I dont steer with both hands at low speed. Do you have the two wheel drive Ural? |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 2:28:03 AM
[Last Edit: 7/25/2012 2:32:46 AM by Isenhelm]
That enfield looks like something that would be very underpowered (only 500cc right?).
I have an 06/07(had some upgrades) Ural Gear Up 2wd and even that thing feels underpowered on the highway, its not a highway bike of course... So I cannot imagine the enfield.. the enfield is probably a lot lighter though. I like the enfields but, maybe a solo would be where its at with those, they are too pricey now too... what isnt? gets me near triumph prices though.. I have had my Ural for 4 years and no problems really, its a simple crude machine, just regular maintenance. some gaskets have just started leaking in the final drive. When it gets cooler here I will replace them but that is the only issue I have had and its just now. I have a short ride to work and its my daily commute vehicle, I have had it in all kinds of weather thought I dont take long trips. Snow, mud, rain, grasses, desert, rocks and dust, even some sandy washes and it did alright. (got stuck real good in some East TX clay mud once though... that sucked...) I really expected more trouble out of it.. glad I havent had any. You can fit a lot of stuff in a ural too. Much of the aftermarket shit is extremely overpriced due to it being extremely inefficiently made in some small shops or garages..or just insane markup up IMO on Russian shit. the thing fun and its got the market cornered being the only in its class. |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 8:47:51 AM
I have an 05 Ural Tourist. Just bought it this spring and it's a blast to ride. I've been riding for over 30 years and a sidecar is not much like a regular motorcycle at all, but easy to learn if you take the time. As said above, Urals are crude by today's standards but the newer ones are pretty reliable.
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Posted: 7/25/2012 9:12:56 AM
This was taken a while ago (years)
![]() My dad had this side car rigged with hydraulics to help my late step-mother in and out. She had MS and had a very hard time walking and moving. The side car was pretty cool how he set it up and perfect for a handicapped person. Dad did tell me that he ate up a lot of front tires during the time he had it attached. After she died he removed the side car and sold it for a tidy sum. |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 2:41:36 PM
I'm considering getting an older Ural at this point. I'm not planning to take it on the highway, and I can handle maintenance issues as long as parts are available.
Some people are still trying to get $10K for 2008 models, pretty insane. I'll decide once I take the course I suppose. |
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Posted: 7/25/2012 11:42:54 PM
[Last Edit: 7/25/2012 11:44:30 PM by disco_jon75]
Originally Posted By Sturmgewehr-58:
I'm considering getting an older Ural at this point. I'm not planning to take it on the highway, and I can handle maintenance issues as long as parts are available. Some people are still trying to get $10K for 2008 models, pretty insane. I'll decide once I take the course I suppose. I think you're better off buying a used BMW and having a sidecar professionally added. Your dependability will go way up. Here's an excellent forum... ADVRiders Sidecar Forum Controversial Thread on Ural Dependability |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 12:13:36 AM
Originally Posted By disco_jon75: Originally Posted By Sturmgewehr-58: I'm considering getting an older Ural at this point. I'm not planning to take it on the highway, and I can handle maintenance issues as long as parts are available. Some people are still trying to get $10K for 2008 models, pretty insane. I'll decide once I take the course I suppose. I think you're better off buying a used BMW and having a sidecar professionally added. Your dependability will go way up. Here's an excellent forum... ADVRiders Sidecar Forum Controversial Thread on Ural Dependability That was my plan originally, and what I might end up doing anyway. I was just worried about the sidecar installation not going right and the steering being off forever. I've seen that thread about problems with Urals and it did have me concerned. I've been looking at newer Urals and the prices seem outrageous. Some dealers are trying to get $17K for 2011 models. I guess I can get an older BMW and shop around for a sidecar, and if I never get around to installing one at least I'll end up with a decent motorcycle. I still think a sidecar bike would be something I'd really enjoy. It's like when I took up pipe smoking when I was 30. My friends said it suited me, and I had girls I didn't know asking to smoke it. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 12:31:25 AM
[Last Edit: 7/26/2012 12:40:51 AM by Isenhelm]
For realistic prices on Urals you have to keep your eye out, most of the posts/ads I see for them are complete bullshit or even put there to make them look more expensive/in demand I suspect.... the high asking prices usually last a while
Most the BS ads are on craigslist and ebay but every now and then I see good deals on craigslist, ebay too Check soviet steads and russian iron forums too, less spam and more serious ads The BMW route will probably cost a bit more, but if your not after the look, the 2wd or the simple crudeness there isnt a comparison between those two brands..one being a 70 year old knock off of the other that still isnt as good as what they copied -I wanted a Zündapp or BMW, but wasnt going to shell out the dough for that.... |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 12:47:29 AM
Originally Posted By Isenhelm: For realistic prices on Urals you have to keep your eye out, most of the posts/ads I see for them are complete bullshit or even put there to make them look more expensive/in demand I suspect.... the high asking prices usually last a while Most the BS ads are on craigslist and ebay but every now and then I see good deals on craigslist, ebay too Check soviet steads and russian iron forums too, less spam and more serious ads The BMW route will probably cost a bit more, but if your not after the look, the 2wd or the simple crudeness there isnt a comparison between those two brands..one being a 70 year old knock off of the other that still isnt as good as what they copied -I wanted a Zündapp or BMW, but wasnt going to shell out the dough for that.... I'm hoping to find a good deal eventually. I've been looking at this on Craigslist ![]() It's $2,500. I don't like the bike much, but I figure I can use the sidecar and sell the bike and get some of my money back. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 4:26:59 AM
concerning the old triumphs, I have a 1973 triumph bonneville and those old triumph engines vibrate like jackhammers. damn fun bikes though.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 5:30:40 AM
Yes... Yes you do
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:18:14 PM
Originally Posted By ab15: Been riding 40 years and have had a sidecar rig in addition to solo bikes for last 9 years. I've had 2 Urals and now have a Yamaha V-Star 1100 with a Ural sidecar. Full disclosure: I work for the Ural dealer in Prescott, AZ. The more recent Urals are far more reliable and better quality than even 6-7 years ago. If you likey, buy as new as possible, 08-up is best, and look for a nice stock bike that has been maintained. Urals have a sidecar wheel brake and reverse gear that make life better for most. If you decide to put a rig together I suggest you use at least a 750 cc cruiser/standard bike with appropriate sidecar. I suggest you contact a guy named Bob Wark in southern Ohio www.thewarkshop.com. He's a great guy who will give you straight advice on bike/sidecar selection. Even with my experience, I had him put my rig together and he did it well, for a fair price. Sidecars handle funny, get a lot of attention and are fun even though most are slow. You can carry stuff, if you're single you will get a lot of attention and you can take your dog along. Sidecarists are the lunatic fring of motorcycling. Al Bond Your link goes to some comicbook thing. The correct link is: http://www.warkshop.com/ An E-Friend has a URAL setup in Washington state, he rides the old forest trails with it, and really likes it. Michael |
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