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Posted: 6/19/2012 9:51:26 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT thinking about picking up a new toy, wife wants a new vette, but i'm thinking one of these is pretty cool. ideally i'd get one someone's already built up, is running and was put together correctly.
i'd prefer a vortec with FI as compared to a carb'ed version
any opinions / advice?
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Posted: 6/19/2012 11:09:44 AM
My brother dropped a small block in his Wrangler... It works, well actually!
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Posted: 6/19/2012 1:55:19 PM
yup. biggest problems i know of with these conversions are as follows
1. not being done well (radiator too small, wiring done poorly which means dash/gauges don't work right)
2. undersized axles / transmission / transfer case for engine power output
there are a couple of yj's i'm thinking about for around 5k, would love to find a nice TJ with a Hemi |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 1:57:54 PM
[Last Edit: 6/19/2012 1:58:26 PM by Krochus]
My advice Build it yourself. Because nobody and I mean nobody builds em correctly. 99% of what you'll find will be unstable fragile mall crawlers and the other 1% that are built right are being destroyed slowly morphing into moon buggies by enthusiasts. You will spend 2x as much in $$ and heartache fixing someones half ass build as you will starting from scratch Your cheapest bet is to simply buy a new wrangler with the outstanding 280 HP pentastar |
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Posted: 6/19/2012 2:28:35 PM
[Last Edit: 6/19/2012 5:12:29 PM by upjeeper]
thanks, goal is a cheap toy with a removable top. wife wants a newer corvette (C5 or newer than 1997 model year), i've looked at C3 body styles (1968-1982) - i don't really want to spend more than about 5k out of pocket
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Posted: 6/19/2012 9:22:54 PM
Man it's near impossible to find a Wrangler around here in stock condition that hasn't been thrashed to death for $5K let alone one with a V8 swap. I would go with the Vette or a Wrangler with the stock 4.0 and the 8.25 or D44 rear end.
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Posted: 6/20/2012 7:47:14 AM
Originally Posted By 92muddyXJ:
Man it's near impossible to find a Wrangler around here in stock condition that hasn't been thrashed to death for $5K let alone one with a V8 swap. I would go with the Vette or a Wrangler with the stock 4.0 and the 8.25 or D44 rear end. I know in my area you can't find a Wrangler with stock running gear that isn't completely clapped out or has some type of major issue for 5k or less. Most guys that have invested the time and/or money into a V8 swap want even more(justified or not). |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 4:43:12 PM
I sold my Wrangler earlier this year for 5500, and the girl that bought it stole it from me.
It needed A/C repair and axles regear to match the 33 tires. Other then that, a good Jeep with 181k miles on it. |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 7:54:11 PM
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
I sold my Wrangler earlier this year for 5500, and the girl that bought it stole it from me. It needed A/C repair and axles regear to match the 33 tires. Other then that, a good Jeep with 181k miles on it. Lol, I had a '95 Wrangler. Had the 2.5L 5 speed manual but the clutch was 95% gone so you basically just kind of hoped you got the shift right, no top at all, no hardware for the top, no back seat, front seats were almost destroyed. Crappy 235/75 R 15 street tires, just the half doors no windows, broken windshield, crushed passenger fender and a spare that was rotted and couldn't get it off because it had a special key lug nut that was rusted on anyway..... I put it on Craigslist for $1500 and had a call within 10 minutes !!!!!!! Sold. I could have probably got $2500 if I had been a dick. ![]() |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:22:56 PM
Originally Posted By 92muddyXJ: Mine was the I6 4.0L, brand new clutch, master and slave. It was the slave that failed, but I already had the parts, and didn't see the point of putting the old stuff back in.Originally Posted By MadMardigan: I sold my Wrangler earlier this year for 5500, and the girl that bought it stole it from me. It needed A/C repair and axles regear to match the 33 tires. Other then that, a good Jeep with 181k miles on it. Lol, I had a '95 Wrangler. Had the 2.5L 5 speed manual but the clutch was 95% gone so you basically just kind of hoped you got the shift right, no top at all, no hardware for the top, no back seat, front seats were almost destroyed. Crappy 235/75 R 15 street tires, just the half doors no windows, broken windshield, crushed passenger fender and a spare that was rotted and couldn't get it off because it had a special key lug nut that was rusted on anyway..... I put it on Craigslist for $1500 and had a call within 10 minutes !!!!!!! Sold. I could have probably got $2500 if I had been a dick. ![]() |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 11:23:10 PM
If you want an AX15 tranny to last behind a V8 you'll be limited to as much power as the 4.2l or 4.0l made. The NVG3550 is better, but not drastically so. Basically you'd have a Jeep with the power of an I6 and the fun of working on a V8 in a tiny engine compartment. Unless all you want to do is go fast on the street, the I6 will do a better job. And did I mention it's much easier to work on?
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Posted: 6/21/2012 12:00:59 AM
Most of the time you will be buying someone's problems unless you know who did the swap. I have seen a lot of V8 swaps that were hack jobs. It took three months to complete the 5.3 and 4l60e swap into my YJ. I love it and don't regret it. There are still a few little things I need to finish up but it has been a blast on the street and rocks. As said before, it's not just the motor and trans that should be upgraded. The t-case and axles also need to handle the HP. I have a 44 in the rear and I know at some point it will go and it will probably be on the street.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:46:36 AM
Take a good look at some FSJ's. 2 door Full Size Cherokees/J series trucks are GREAT Off-Road rigs. V8 power and factory Dana 44's.
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:58:46 AM
I am currently doing a 350/350 swap in my 88 YJ. It is a lot of work to do correctly (not to mention costly) to do it right.
Being a fabricator/welder my whole life is a big bonus, but even with my knowledge base and shop it is still a daunting job. You can just drop in a SB chevy with an adapter for your trans and yeah it will run. But not for long... You have to beef up entire drive train or its just a breakdown waiting to happen. Im currently installing a Chevy 350 with a stage 2 turbo 350, Installing a Dana 44 rear end to deal with the power and torque difference. Once you start changing things it snowballs like you never would guess. You most likely will need new drive lines to deal with the torque or plan on snapping stock ones. Also you will need a conversion radiator designed for jepp v8 swap and a very good electric fan for radiator. To be honest the list goes on and on. If you find a jeep that has had a good conversion on it that hasnt been beat you arent going to find one for less than around five figures. You could find and older CJ that had the stock AMC V8 but those in good condition are hard to find. Im doing this because i will keep this the rest of my life and pass it on to my sons some day. You are going to have to REALLY want one if you decide to pull the trigger. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:51:52 AM
I'd love to drop a GM 5.3L in my TJ, but like the others have said, there's an expensive/right way to do it and the wrong/cheap way of doing it.
To do it properly you need the V8 with computer and wiring harness, new radiator, Advanced adaptors kit for t-case, new trans, probably beefier axles to handle additional weight/torque, new driveshafts, new coils/springs for the front, new motor mounts. It's an expensive proposition; one I can't afford right now. $5k isn't going to buy a contemporary Jeep (YJ and up) with proper V8 swap. If you must have the V8, my suggestion OP, is to find a CJ with the AMC 304 in it. Repair/fix/rehab it as time and money allow. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:29:06 PM
Originally Posted By Krochus: Yes because the pentastar is such an outstanding engine. My advice Build it yourself. Because nobody and I mean nobody builds em correctly. 99% of what you'll find will be unstable fragile mall crawlers and the other 1% that are built right are being destroyed slowly morphing into moon buggies by enthusiasts. You will spend 2x as much in $$ and heartache fixing someones half ass build as you will starting from scratch Your cheapest bet is to simply buy a new wrangler with the outstanding 280 HP pentastar
38 pages long. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 3:50:54 PM
Originally Posted By Pugz:
Originally Posted By Krochus:
Yes because the pentastar is such an outstanding engine. My advice Build it yourself. Because nobody and I mean nobody builds em correctly. 99% of what you'll find will be unstable fragile mall crawlers and the other 1% that are built right are being destroyed slowly morphing into moon buggies by enthusiasts. You will spend 2x as much in $$ and heartache fixing someones half ass build as you will starting from scratch Your cheapest bet is to simply buy a new wrangler with the outstanding 280 HP pentastar ![]() 38 pages long.
I believe ill take my chances on a new under warranty 3.6 long before I would that boat anchor 3.8 or someone else's bastartized cross breed nightmare |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 5:24:45 PM
Originally Posted By Pugz:
Originally Posted By Krochus:
Yes because the pentastar is such an outstanding engine. My advice Build it yourself. Because nobody and I mean nobody builds em correctly. 99% of what you'll find will be unstable fragile mall crawlers and the other 1% that are built right are being destroyed slowly morphing into moon buggies by enthusiasts. You will spend 2x as much in $$ and heartache fixing someones half ass build as you will starting from scratch Your cheapest bet is to simply buy a new wrangler with the outstanding 280 HP pentastar ![]() 38 pages long.
Wow. I had no idea that the issue was that bad... The 3.8L had a few problems out of the starting gate, but nothing to that degree. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 6:25:29 AM
[quote]Originally Posted By Krochus:
I believe ill take my chances on a new under warranty 3.6 long before I would that boat anchor 3.8 or someone else's bastartized cross breed nightmare [/div] Given those 2 choices I'd choose the same as you, but there's a 3rd option available - a TJ or YJ with the all but indestructible 4.0l. If you need more power than it puts out you're looking for a muscle car, not a Jeep. I'd even take a Nuttered & Team Rushed 4.2l over the 3.8l or 3.6l - which I have in my YJ (with Weber 32/36), at least until I get an SD33T in there.) |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 1:06:23 PM
Originally Posted By ME2112:
[quote]Originally Posted By Krochus: I believe ill take my chances on a new under warranty 3.6 long before I would that boat anchor 3.8 or someone else's bastartized cross breed nightmare [/div] Given those 2 choices I'd choose the same as you, but there's a 3rd option available - a TJ or YJ with the all but indestructible 4.0l. If you need more power than it puts out you're looking for a muscle car, not a Jeep. I'd even take a Nuttered & Team Rushed 4.2l over the 3.8l or 3.6l - which I have in my YJ (with Weber 32/36), at least until I get an SD33T in there.) At one time I was the biggest 4.0 fanboi around at one time I had 24 cylinders worth of 4.0 power in my personal fleet. But its not 1998 any more and 170 HP and 12 MPG from a 3700 lb vehicle with the aerodynamic properties of waffle house restaurant rolling on marshmallow tires is no longer my ideal of adequate. If you think you'd take a 4.2 or 4.0 over a 3.6 all I can say is its obvious you haven't driven a 3.6 jk. When you finally do you will realize how antiquated all other Jeep motors before it were. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 1:13:41 PM
While a 4.7 swap or something can be done fairly easily, there's so much work involved with a 350 swap on a Wrangler that I would veer away.
And actually, if I needed a motor, I'd drop in a Golen 4.6 Stroker. Lots more power, and a drop-in conversion you almost can't screw up. http://www.quadratec.com/products/51107_50X_PG.htm |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 4:07:07 PM
Originally Posted By Krochus:
think you'd take a 4.2 or 4.0 over a 3.6 all I can say is its obvious you haven't driven a 3.6 jk. When you finally do you will realize how antiquated all other Jeep motors before it were. I'm sure the newer engines are better on gas and may provide more power. However, there is ALOT to be said about a near indestructable, can run when broken, and lives nearly forever 4.0. For me milage is pointless if the vehicle needs periodic (and expensive) repairs. YMMV |
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Posted: 7/9/2012 7:46:04 PM
[Last Edit: 7/9/2012 7:50:28 PM by ME2112]
Originally Posted By Krochus:
At one time I was the biggest 4.0 fanboi around at one time I had 24 cylinders worth of 4.0 power in my personal fleet. But its not 1998 any more and 170 HP and 12 MPG from a 3700 lb vehicle with the aerodynamic properties of waffle house restaurant rolling on marshmallow tires is no longer my ideal of adequate. If you think you'd take a 4.2 or 4.0 over a 3.6 all I can say is its obvious you haven't driven a 3.6 jk. When you finally do you will realize how antiquated all other Jeep motors before it were. What can the Pentastar do that the 4.0l can't? Go fast? I was able to exceed the speed limit on any road I drove on with my 4.0l TJ, and had no desire to do over 75mph. First of all, for the 5 months out of the year that my top & doors are off I'd get beat up by the wind. Secondly, a Jeep is just too fun to drive on the winding back roads to take it on the straight-line interstate. What does the Pentastar get for mileage? I got 17mpg highway and about 13 city with my 4.0l TJ. I get 17-18 highway and about 14 city with my 4.2l YJ (about 3000lb.) If I wanted to drive FAST I wouldn't buy a CJ, YJ, TJ, or JK. If mileage was that important to me I wouldn't buy a CJ, YJ, TJ, or JK. I have a 4.0l head on my YJ's Nuttered 4.2l and the Weber carb, so I'd estimate it makes a more-than-adequate-for-my-needs 140hp. I'd be willing to bet it develops more torque below 2000 than the Pentastar, too. Its stock peak torque was only 15lb-ft less than the 4.0l but came 2000rpm lower. It "feels" more torquey than my 4.0l did. I'll take a 4.2l or 4.0l over a 3.8l or 3.6l because the absolute most important thing to me is simplicity. Not horsepower, not top speed, and not creature comforts, but knowing that short of blowing an engine or tranny in the field, I can fix anything that breaks well enough to get me home with about $100 worth of tools in an ammo can. The 4.0l was a trouble-free engine for me, but I didn't like the electronics. Every time it rained and my interior got wet the airbag light would come on because of the stupid clock spring getting wet. I then didn't trust the airbag not to go off at the wrong time, or to go off at the right time. The ECU was less troublesome but short of placing it inside an IP65-rated enclosure I didn't really trust it during water crossings or pressure washings. I do still have the ignition module to think about on my YJ - it's in a REAL stupid place and I'm going to relocate it to under the dash before too long - but it's a 5 minute job to replace and a spare only costs $65. |
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Posted: 7/18/2012 10:47:34 AM
Getting ready to drop an LQ9 into my 1983 CJ-7.
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