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Posted: 7/19/2015 6:04:41 PM EDT
We recently watched a documentary about the people who originally proved that Bernie Madoff was a crook. Is the federal government involved In the same scheme?  The working citizens are forced to pay income tax, sales tax, social security, and other hidden taxes.  The government then pays money out in the form of earned income credit, welfare, "free" healthcare, social security, "free" cell phones and a myriad of other benefits to those who do not work.  If there is not a steady influx of new money coming in to make the payouts, then the system collapses.  Is the way government handles our money a ponzi scheme?
Link Posted: 7/19/2015 6:11:04 PM EDT
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Ponzi?
Link Posted: 7/19/2015 6:22:33 PM EDT
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Welcome to 80 years ago.
Link Posted: 7/19/2015 7:37:50 PM EDT
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Involved in?

LOL, it IS a Ponzi scheme.
Link Posted: 7/19/2015 8:13:41 PM EDT
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and if I was you, I would stop paying any taxes at all until this gets worked out
Link Posted: 7/20/2015 12:55:30 AM EDT
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Social Security
Link Posted: 7/20/2015 12:58:46 AM EDT
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Nailed it,

If you tried that shit, you'd be in Federal PMITA prison.
Link Posted: 7/20/2015 1:04:02 AM EDT
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Nailed it,

If you tried that shit, you'd be in Federal PMITA prison.
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Nailed it,

If you tried that shit, you'd be in Federal PMITA prison.

madoff is.
Link Posted: 7/20/2015 1:05:36 AM EDT
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Nailed it
Link Posted: 7/20/2015 10:51:03 AM EDT
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Nailed it,

If you tried that shit, you'd be in Federal PMITA prison.
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Nailed it,

If you tried that shit, you'd be in Federal PMITA prison.

Social Security alone is nothing but a Ponzi scheme.  I have legally stopped paying Social Security.
Link Posted: 7/20/2015 10:53:22 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/20/2015 11:02:15 AM EDT
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Social Security alone is nothing but a Ponzi scheme.  I have legally stopped paying Social Security.
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Nailed it,

If you tried that shit, you'd be in Federal PMITA prison.

Social Security alone is nothing but a Ponzi scheme.  I have legally stopped paying Social Security.

Hit 65 and started drawing, huh?
Link Posted: 7/20/2015 11:20:16 AM EDT
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No. in a Ponzi scheme, there's a chance, however small, that you will receive a return on your money.
 
Link Posted: 7/22/2015 9:23:58 AM EDT
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Hit 65 and started drawing, huh?
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Nailed it,

If you tried that shit, you'd be in Federal PMITA prison.

Social Security alone is nothing but a Ponzi scheme.  I have legally stopped paying Social Security.

Hit 65 and started drawing, huh?

Nope.  I stopped paying in at the ripe old age of 25 (36 now)
I now work for a government pension that exempts me from paying Social Security (of course I won't be getting a benefit either)
Link Posted: 7/22/2015 9:35:39 AM EDT
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Yep.

Taking people's money and then only giving a portion of it back to them...

And then taxing it when you do....

It's fucking criminal.
Link Posted: 7/22/2015 6:52:41 PM EDT
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Nope.  Not a Ponzi scheme.  It'd say it has more in common with a Pyramid scheme.

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In both Ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes, existing investors are compensated by the contributions of new investors. Ponzi scheme participants believe they are earning returns from their investment, while pyramid scheme participants are aware that they are earning money by recruiting new participants.
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I think it's pretty clear from every Social Security thread we've ever had that people are aware of how it actually works on a basic level:

"I paid so now it's your turn to pay for me!"

And yes, the entirety of humanity is a highly functional pyramid scheme.  We rely HEAVILY on population growth to keep the good times rolling.  I guess it'll work right until it doesn't but who knows when we'll hit that resource cap and if we will be necessarily constrained to terrestrial resources when that happens.
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Nope.  Not a Ponzi scheme.  It'd say it has more in common with a Pyramid scheme.

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I think it's pretty clear from every Social Security thread we've ever had that people are aware of how it actually works on a basic level:

"I paid so now it's your turn to pay for me!"

And yes, the entirety of humanity is a highly functional pyramid scheme.  We rely HEAVILY on population growth to keep the good times rolling.  I guess it'll work right until it doesn't but who knows when we'll hit that resource cap and if we will be necessarily constrained to terrestrial resources when that happens.
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Nope.  Not a Ponzi scheme.  It'd say it has more in common with a Pyramid scheme.

From the web:
In both Ponzi schemes and pyramid schemes, existing investors are compensated by the contributions of new investors. Ponzi scheme participants believe they are earning returns from their investment, while pyramid scheme participants are aware that they are earning money by recruiting new participants.


I think it's pretty clear from every Social Security thread we've ever had that people are aware of how it actually works on a basic level:

"I paid so now it's your turn to pay for me!"

And yes, the entirety of humanity is a highly functional pyramid scheme.  We rely HEAVILY on population growth to keep the good times rolling.  I guess it'll work right until it doesn't but who knows when we'll hit that resource cap and if we will be necessarily constrained to terrestrial resources when that happens.


Originally SS had 4-5 workers for everyone collecting ducats. It's more like 1:1 now.  Entirely unsustainable.

Oh, the other ponzi scheme is MediCare.  

Thanks Woody Wilson, FDR and LBJ.
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