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Posted: 7/26/2012 9:31:41 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT I am almost 50. I have spent 23 years in a field that is quickly going away. I am looking at my 3rd reorganization in 5 years. I made it through the first two pretty well. So. I am not broke. I think I am a pretty solid Business Manager, and was thinking maybe I should just cash in the 401Ks and go for the brass ring. I think a franchise might work good for me. So tell me what you know. I have posted this in Team to try and stay away from the crackpots. I really am looking for some solid advise from some knowledgeable folks. Less "opinions'' and more first hand knowledge. I really would like to limit this to franchise holders only, but if someone worked for a franchise, or has a close friend or family member, you might have some good insight as well. So, what say ya'll?? |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 10:06:27 AM
Chick-Fil-A and get 2 armored trucks to pick your money up.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 10:42:49 AM
Really depends on what industry you are in. Have you though of being a recruiter? I make more money and work less hours than the lawyers I know.
You can buy a franchise, they will train you and give support or just do it on your own. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 12:53:09 PM
If Subway offers a second franchise, you're almost forced to buy it or you will lose customers/money to another franchise owner.
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Posted: 7/26/2012 1:10:56 PM
This would be a LONG conversation to tell you what I know. We owned a very successful manufacturing co. for three decades. We made a ton of money,,,so much that I decided to park some of it in an ACE hardware deal. HUGE ERROR. We sold it and got MOST of our money back after a few years of agony.The franchise deal, although ACE isn`t technically a franchise, is generally about enriching the franchisor not the franchisee. The ENTIRE operation for most of these deals is set in stone with very little deviation allowed. Most franchises are in the business of selling you the opening stock order, equipment and computer systems required to operate. This is where the real money is made initially for the franchisor. After you open you will most likely be forced by one reason or another to "buy" from them only. If you aren`t restricted to the sole source syndrome then you can expect heavy ongoing franchise fees.
My brother in law asked me to help him look at franchises. He didn`t have the cash needed but we did. We looked at probably 10-15 different deals over about one year and couldn`t find anything that I thought would work for HIM. In addition I can tell you that the folks who do WELL as franchisees own three or more. The "back office" costs are substantial and with multiple units your operating margins improve greatly. Send me a PM and I`ll help you anyway I can. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 4:16:11 PM
I don't know anything about franchises, but I will tell you that you should NEVER cash in your 401ks to finance a business venture. You're going to automatically lose a good chunk of it to taxes and penalties if you cash it out early. And if your business fails, then your nest egg is gone as well. You want to hold onto that money so that you have something to supplement you (if not completely support you) during retirement.
Save up some money to put cash down on your business, or try to finance as much as you can. Even if your business is a success, all you're going to do is create an income stream for when you retire while you continue to oversee your business. It's unlikely that your business will be profitable enough, long enough, to build another nest egg that lets you have cash on hand if needed. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 4:41:14 PM
Originally Posted By graysonp: I don't know anything about franchises, but I will tell you that you should NEVER cash in your 401ks to finance a business venture. You're going to automatically lose a good chunk of it to taxes and penalties if you cash it out early. And if your business fails, then your nest egg is gone as well. You want to hold onto that money so that you have something to supplement you (if not completely support you) during retirement. Save up some money to put cash down on your business, or try to finance as much as you can. Even if your business is a success, all you're going to do is create an income stream for when you retire while you continue to oversee your business. It's unlikely that your business will be profitable enough, long enough, to build another nest egg that lets you have cash on hand if needed. No offense, but I am well versed in the economics of the 401K. Any business investment is subject to a loss. I would just like some insight on franchise opportunities out there. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 4:42:59 PM
Originally Posted By jeep450: Hey! Thanks for the insightful info!Chick-Fil-A and get 2 armored trucks to pick your money up. ![]() |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 5:20:29 PM
Originally Posted By jjrockbush:
No offense, but I am well versed in the economics of the 401K. Any business investment is subject to a loss. Sure you may lose money, but there's no need to put up cash in a tax-advantaged account that you're more than likely going to regret doing. I've heard all the stories of people raiding their retirement accounts to start businesses, pay off mortgages, etc. I don't recall ever hearing someone say they were glad they tapped into their 401K early. If you don't have an extremely high chance of offsetting the penalties and still earning a greater return than leaving it where it was, then you shouldn't even consider it. I'm just saying that there are better, safer ways to finance a new business venture. |
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Posted: 7/26/2012 5:54:38 PM
[Last Edit: 7/26/2012 5:54:38 PM by Striker]
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Posted: 7/26/2012 6:38:27 PM
Originally Posted By graysonp: Originally Posted By jjrockbush: No offense, but I am well versed in the economics of the 401K. Any business investment is subject to a loss. Sure you may lose money, but there's no need to put up cash in a tax-advantaged account that you're more than likely going to regret doing. I've heard all the stories of people raiding their retirement accounts to start businesses, pay off mortgages, etc. I don't recall ever hearing someone say they were glad they tapped into their 401K early. If you don't have an extremely high chance of offsetting the penalties and still earning a greater return than leaving it where it was, then you shouldn't even consider it. I'm just saying that there are better, safer ways to finance a new business venture. OK, fine. I promise I won't use 401K money. Now back to the discussion on franchises.....The recruiter idea sounds interesting, I am looking into that further. I really don't think I would be interested in any restaurants or sandwich shops. |
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Posted: 7/27/2012 12:01:56 AM
Originally Posted By graysonp: Originally Posted By jjrockbush: No offense, but I am well versed in the economics of the 401K. Any business investment is subject to a loss. Sure you may lose money, but there's no need to put up cash in a tax-advantaged account that you're more than likely going to regret doing. I've heard all the stories of people raiding their retirement accounts to start businesses, pay off mortgages, etc. I don't recall ever hearing someone say they were glad they tapped into their 401K early. If you don't have an extremely high chance of offsetting the penalties and still earning a greater return than leaving it where it was, then you shouldn't even consider it. I'm just saying that there are better, safer ways to finance a new business venture. There are franchise business you can use with your 401k without the attendant penalties. The fast food restaurant ones look good but they're like $500k at a minimum.
There are smaller opportunities out there, but I can't vouch for them. All I know is that you won't get any early withdrawal penalties to your 401k using it to invest in them.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 8:56:08 PM
Do what I did. I left a great Corporate job and started Impact Weapons Components from scratch. First I wrote down all my skills I'd honed during my career. Then I listed what my weaknesses were. I knew manufacturing, supply-chain, new product introduction, loved photography & wanted to make a difference in the firearms industry. So I looked for a niche opportunity & I found one. My initial investment was less than $10K to launch our Company. I made that back in the first 8 months and have poured ta majority of the he profits back into the business.
Key Take-aways: Look for a niche... Social Media for free marketing... Other peoples capital assets until you get going... Conserve every penny... Dream big, but start small and build on successes... MOUNT-N-SLOT |
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Posted: 8/14/2012 10:58:37 AM
How much do you want to make and how much can you invest?
You can pretty much forget about a cash cow like McDonalds. I don't think they are even available to non-franchisees right now anyway. Chick-Fil-A gets tens of thousands of applicants for the few hundred they open each year. If you want to make $75,000 a year, there are multiple options. If you want $400,000 a year, you won't do it without multiple locations. Rather than start from the beginning, which it sounds like you are considering, have you looked into buying an existing business? Talk to a business broker and see what they have. You can probably find something in an industry that interests you and their listings are already going concerns with employees, equipment and cash flow in place. You can find cash flow from $40k to $2million a year. I've bought and sold a few. Look for businesses that look like a good concept, but aren't well run. You can use the low cash flow to get a better price, then use your business skills to bring the business up to speed and increase your cash flow without having to pay for it up front. Some of these might be franchises, but the cost to transfer an existing franchise is usually far less than the initial franchise fee. Let someone else eat that cost. Regarding the 401k - don't cash it out. I like graysonp's comment that it's nice to have something to fall back on if things go south, but if you really want to tap the equity, there are ways for the 401k to buy stock in your new company and you don't throw away 30-40% of your savings away down the tax drain. Franchises will provide you a support structure, marketing and a stable supplier for you. They provide a regional, or national well known brand name (think Fred's Motel vs. Holiday Inn - I _know_ what I'm going to get at Holiday Inn, but never been to Fred's, so Fred's is a riskier choice for me, so I avoid the place, no matter how nice it is, unless I get a personal referral). Don't discount the value of a well known name. Franchisors (the guys who sell you the franchise) will want a cut of your sales every month, maybe 7-10%. They can also force you to spend money on remodeling, upgrades, menu changes to fit the new national brand look. If you don't comply, they can take your franchise away. You can find very basic information on various franchises at http://www.thefranchisemall.com This will give you an idea for the investment size needed for each type of business. Good luck in your search! |
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