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Posted: 4/30/2012 10:42:57 PM

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I am long PM (Phillip Morris), it has had a nice run up the past few months and I know they are buying back billions of shares this year alone. The stock is nearing $100 a share territory and people on some forums and saying they may split the stock looking at Altira's past. My question is it seems buying back stock to have less shares out in the market THEN doing a split seems counter-productive. Am I right?
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Posted: 5/1/2012 9:42:19 AM
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Buying back shares reduces the actual portion of the company that is being traded on the secondary market. Splitting the shares just changes the overall number of shares (and what portion of the company they represent) that are available to trade.

Buy backs reduce the supply of shares available for trading, which generally causes the price to rise as demand stays about the same. Share splits do not affect the supply/demand of shares, it just changes the nominal unit of measure for trading, and does not affect the actual value of the company or your investment.

So overall, no, they're not really counter intuitive actions. Doing a buyback can boost value for shareholders, followed by a split, which reduces the per-share price to help keep the price at an attractive level to potential investors.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 5:48:05 PM
The buyback is done to avoid having to send the money to the thieving goons in Washington. Stock price going up is a side effect, not the reason for the buyback program.

The stock split (if it happens) is to keep the stock at a price that is attractive to smaller investors.
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Posted: 5/2/2012 9:36:57 AM
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Originally Posted By Herc:
The buyback is done to avoid having to send the money to the thieving goons in Washington. Stock price going up is a side effect, not the reason for the buyback program.


That's not always the case. It probably is one of the primary reasons why Apple announced their buyback. They're reducing their cash on hand to prevent paying an accumulated earnings tax. Other companies, it may not be so much of a factor.

A lot of board members and chief executives are paid in stock and stock options. A share buyback when the company is doing well can help to boost their total compensation while also adding value and building confidence for investors. It can be a win-win for all parties involved.