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Posted: 6/25/2012 12:32:31 PM

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I'm trying to do a pitching camp for 5 of my boys this summer now that spring ball is over. I have this summer and next to try and get them prepped for 9U kid pitch. Right now we just completed our 7U season, with next season (8U) being their last of coach pitch.

Long story short, I see three routes here.
$$$The boys going to a pitching camp
$$Hiring a local coach for some instruction
$Buying all the studying/instruction materials and DIY

I’ve looked into all three and it seems that DIY is most likely the best long term route. If I know the techniques myself, I can start “tuning” these boys now and get the report started now. Local Camps and Coaches are hit and miss as it all depends on who’s biased opinion you get. And as much money as you spend on those two options, I want to make sure it’s worth the boy’s while. I went to the same football camp for 6 years and want something similar for my boys, you know, a camp they can grow accustomed to as they progress and get older. I would know more about these things, but not being a native to this area, it’s hard trying to pull trustworthy advice from my fellow coaches in this league. I just took this team over last fall ball, and still have yet to get settled in.

Advice:
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Anyone in the DFW area know/trust any camps or coaches that I can source for prepping my five prospects over the next couple summers before we transition to 9U?
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I saw the stuff out there like Tuff Cuff Jr and other related materials for us DIY’ers, is there any other books/dvd’s I should check out?

In advance, any advice is much appreciated. Thanks.
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were I grew up the local high school coaches would get together every summer and do hitting and pitching camps (I attended many of those), those were helpful, and I know the kids are young but if there are any stand outs good coaches will remember, and maybe be able to assist with other camps they are familiar with, honestly your best bet would be to invest some money in some decent material do the research, and do it yourself if these coaching camps are not available. Check around I also attended a few camps put on by local junior colleges in my area when I was younger as well.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 9:42:22 AM
Originally Posted By DukeFan23:
were I grew up the local high school coaches would get together every summer and do hitting and pitching camps (I attended many of those), those were helpful, and I know the kids are young but if there are any stand outs good coaches will remember, and maybe be able to assist with other camps they are familiar with, honestly your best bet would be to invest some money in some decent material do the research, and do it yourself if these coaching camps are not available. Check around I also attended a few camps put on by local junior colleges in my area when I was younger as well.


I live in a tough area for local coaches. Our surrounding high schools are baseball powerhouses, and they have no problem finding players coming out of select and feeder leagues.

With that said, they also have no problem charging a small fortune for their services. Besides, I’ve been told that my team has gotten the “fundamentals” label, and not because I’m some baseball genius, but because I am so hesitant to coach any technique yet. These guys are way too young to be learning the finer points just yet, so I agree that DIY research and development seems to be the preferable way to go in this instance.

I’m going to go watch TCU’s and UTA’s camps and see if what I’m preaching matches the higher level techniques they practice, but like I said, I’m probably preaching close to 90/10 – Fundamentals/Technique.

Thanks for the feedback.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 1:51:10 AM
Being that young, I would just do the DIY if you know alittle about the game. When your prospects get up to 10-12 is when i would get them into more camps and coach's. It's changed a lot in the past few years since I played but after they turn 10 is when they need to fully focus on the techniques. and go ahead and start getting them into a light workout routine. It will help them greatly if they want to commit to play later on if you start them now.
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Posted: 7/8/2012 4:41:12 PM
Originally Posted By bamabudman:
Being that young, I would just do the DIY if you know alittle about the game. When your prospects get up to 10-12 is when i would get them into more camps and coach's. It's changed a lot in the past few years since I played but after they turn 10 is when they need to fully focus on the techniques. and go ahead and start getting them into a light workout routine. It will help them greatly if they want to commit to play later on if you start them now.


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Posted: 7/25/2012 10:12:59 PM
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I have coached for a few years and have been in your shoes before. I would get a local private coach involved and build off his teachings.

Pitching is nothing to screw with. There can be injury and teaching of bad mechanics which can take a long time to repair, fix, unteach, whatever you like to call it. I just finished up a summer 10yd old league and had 2 pitchers that never pitched before throw in the playoffs. I also had 2 pitchers who have pitched before and we really upped their delivery and velocity. In one playoff game, we played 5 innings and we struck out 15 batters.

You have to teach the fundamentals of pitching and you really should have someone who knows what they are doing. It is so easy to teach pitching wrong. Do the kids justice and get a local coach. Take 1 lesson a week and then practice with them. In a month or 2 you should have a good foundation to build off of. Teaching 8-9 year olds to really pitch can be frustrating. There are some real fine tuning things that you won't see and they will build bad habits or frustration off of. I wish I was closer, I would help you out in a New York minute.

If you have any questions, I will try to answer them for you.


ETA: Go to some local high school games or to some Jr High games and ask around. You will find someone who does private lessons. When you get in touch with them and tell them what you are doing. You may just find someone who is willing to help at reduced rates to promote the game.




* Bragging time: My son hit the following this year: BA = .676 OBP = .721 and Slug% = 1.027







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Posted: 7/25/2012 10:21:54 PM
This year our entire leagues coaches did a Big Al clinic, and it was great, learned a tremendous amount.

You may want to look into some of Big Al's links and drills.

Big Al

My 8 y/o team transitioned this season. Damn, it was not pleasant. Went from 6 innings in 90 min and all the kids hitting, to 3 innings in 2 hours, and virtually every run was walked in.

I have the Big Al 5-8 manual, as well as the 9-12, with all the drills, I may even have the DVD's. I will check for you
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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:29:15 AM
Originally Posted By Defcon:
I have coached for a few years and have been in your shoes before. I would get a local private coach involved and build off his teachings.

Pitching is nothing to screw with. There can be injury and teaching of bad mechanics which can take a long time to repair, fix, unteach, whatever you like to call it. I just finished up a summer 10yd old league and had 2 pitchers that never pitched before throw in the playoffs. I also had 2 pitchers who have pitched before and we really upped their delivery and velocity. In one playoff game, we played 5 innings and we struck out 15 batters.

You have to teach the fundamentals of pitching and you really should have someone who knows what they are doing. It is so easy to teach pitching wrong. Do the kids justice and get a local coach. Take 1 lesson a week and then practice with them. In a month or 2 you should have a good foundation to build off of. Teaching 8-9 year olds to really pitch can be frustrating. There are some real fine tuning things that you won't see and they will build bad habits or frustration off of. I wish I was closer, I would help you out in a New York minute.

If you have any questions, I will try to answer them for you.


ETA: Go to some local high school games or to some Jr High games and ask around. You will find someone who does private lessons. When you get in touch with them and tell them what you are doing. You may just find someone who is willing to help at reduced rates to promote the game.




* Bragging time: My son hit the following this year: BA = .676 OBP = .721 and Slug% = 1.027









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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:30:05 AM
Originally Posted By fish223:
This year our entire leagues coaches did a Big Al clinic, and it was great, learned a tremendous amount.

You may want to look into some of Big Al's links and drills.

Big Al

My 8 y/o team transitioned this season. Damn, it was not pleasant. Went from 6 innings in 90 min and all the kids hitting, to 3 innings in 2 hours, and virtually every run was walked in.

I have the Big Al 5-8 manual, as well as the 9-12, with all the drills, I may even have the DVD's. I will check for you


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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:37:22 AM
I coached my daughters teams for awhile and she is also a pitcher and at this point I have taken her as far as I can. I pitched baseball into HS and the softball stuff and what I knew was somewhat dated.

I went to the local college and did some inquiries into lessons and the softball coaches at each school offer personal lessons. I'm sure if you combined the kids you may get a better rate and its worth talking to them about.

I also looked at it like this way , they are kids and sometimes they respond better to someone they dont know as opposed to a father, so it has been working well so far.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 10:48:38 AM
Yeah, thanks everyone.

I've been taking the summer to study up and practice out what needs to be done. Decided on running my own pitching camp. It will be the basics. 5 step movement. 5 different warm ups. The mechanics are all familiar, but after reading some strong articles and watching a little video to confirm it what I read, it's simple for now. When they start getting older (10-13 years old) I'm going to try getting them sponsored for some higher level instruction. Some they can consistently resource, because doing a once a year camp for them is fine, but everything in pitching is about consistency, so that will be our team's motto (is already really).


I've got the instruction plan all mapped out for a two day camp, totaling six hours. Five pitchers, one catcher, and two of us coaches participating. We’re going to go through the warm ups, and the 5 step basics. I gave them all a “pitchers glossary” ahead of time to memorize for quizzing, and it should all go pretty well as far as I can tell. I’ll let you guys know how it went, and if I think it was the right course of action for now. The five boys I picked/volunteered are the better tier of athletes on the team for a measuring stick. Can’t wait.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 11:01:54 AM
http://dbat.net/
this organization will put together camp for you and your boys. they will teach you how to teach your boys and give them high level instruction. the ultimaste goal is to get them in high school ball. this will get them headed in the right direction. several facilities in your area, and they are at the top levels of competition year in and out.
My son is a competitive ball player, plays at the usssa AAA classification on a travel team, we have faced many d-bat teams and they are always tough, so they get great instruction my son will 14 for this coming springs season so his last year in the little leagues. we have faced d-bat teams since he was 9. they always compete.
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Posted: 7/31/2012 4:58:51 PM
Originally Posted By MCC19KILO:
Originally Posted By fish223:
This year our entire leagues coaches did a Big Al clinic, and it was great, learned a tremendous amount.

You may want to look into some of Big Al's links and drills.

Big Al

My 8 y/o team transitioned this season. Damn, it was not pleasant. Went from 6 innings in 90 min and all the kids hitting, to 3 innings in 2 hours, and virtually every run was walked in.

I have the Big Al 5-8 manual, as well as the 9-12, with all the drills, I may even have the DVD's. I will check for you




Totally forgot to update, sorry.

I have the DVD for the 9-12 y/o with all the pitching instructionals and drills if you want to borrow it. Shoot me an IM with the mailing address and I will send it out.

I have the 5-8 y/o DVD also, but it is basically just fielding and hitting intro.

I really have been pleased with the Big Al program, and the general consensus is that it is a great aid, especially if you are not going to bring in pro coaching locally.

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Two day pitching camp complete, and total success! Invited five prospects, and one catcher. I had nothing but awesome results from these boys. It was amazing to coach something that two months ago I knew next to nothing about, did some research, got some advice, and translated it all to 7 year old attention spans.

Each day was two hours, and we instructed/practiced warm up drills on day one, then took to the mound on day two.
Since I’ve had all these boys for a couple years now, I know them pretty well, and had a good idea what to say to get them to respond. So I saved a lot of time in “instruction” department and could focus more in practicing.

Out of the five, I have one natural with what looks to be a “power arm”. I have two that throw really consistently, but with hardly any arm strength, they’re going to be somewhat easy to hit. I'm not so worried about arm strength with 7 year olds, that will come in time. And my last two are going to need constant attention during the offseason if they’re going to retain the mechanics. So, overall…. Success.

Thanks for all the advice and help everyone. I didn’t spend a dime, nor did my parents, and the boys learned something new and had fun doing it. Thanks.
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That's awesome to hear!!!! Sounds like you are doing these kids justice.




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Sounds good.

For the ones that need to work on the power, have them take a scrap of old carpet about 12 x 18 and hang it on the fence in the backyard, creating a strike zone.

10 minutes a day, maybe 25 pitches, never to the point they are tired or sore. Go about 2/3 distance and work back to your leagues mound over a month or so.

They will build accuracy and strength very quickly.
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