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Posted: 7/18/2016 8:09:28 PM EDT
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They are rapidly becoming standard equipment. My wife's State/Work laptop is all SSD, and my home gaming rig I built boots from a 200GB SSD and all the operating system files live on that drive. I have another standard 1TB for storage of games, etc. It makes for almost instantaneous boot up and shut down. It's awesome. I think the only drawback is price for large amounts of storage at this point. If I had gone fully SSD, game loading times are close to nothing. It really is amazing.
Next box I build will only use solid state drive and no optical drive whatsoever. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 8:12:29 PM EDT
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Pros: fast as fuck, size can be quite small relative to the storage capacity
Cons: unknown long term reliability, size can't really compete with platter drives (at least at a reasonable price), cost compared to platter drives |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 8:17:03 PM EDT
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Biggest reason is cost. High end machines all come with SSDs now, bargain jobs may just get a small one or a hybrid.
Even if you can't afford a really big one, get a 256Gb or so for your system/boot drive and store the big stuff on your NAS or a platter drive. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 8:19:31 PM EDT
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Pros: fast as fuck, size can be quite small relative to the storage capacity Cons: unknown long term reliability, size can't really compete with platter drives (at least at a reasonable price), cost compared to platter drives This was going to post same thing. Price is really the biggest con. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 8:23:28 PM EDT
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Biggest reason is cost. High end machines all come with SSDs now, bargain jobs may just get a small one or a hybrid. Even if you can't afford a really big one, get a 256Gb or so for your system/boot drive and store the big stuff on your NAS or a platter drive. Any way to do this on a laptop? |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 8:28:16 PM EDT
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This was going to post same thing. Price is really the biggest con. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pros: fast as fuck, size can be quite small relative to the storage capacity Cons: unknown long term reliability, size can't really compete with platter drives (at least at a reasonable price), cost compared to platter drives This was going to post same thing. Price is really the biggest con. I'm trying to build a sweet travel laptop. I heard the SSDs don't run your battery down as much. It would mainly be for photography and entertainment, movies, etc.. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 8:47:01 PM EDT
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I'm trying to build a sweet travel laptop. I heard the SSDs don't run your battery down as much. It would mainly be for photography and entertainment, movies, etc.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pros: fast as fuck, size can be quite small relative to the storage capacity Cons: unknown long term reliability, size can't really compete with platter drives (at least at a reasonable price), cost compared to platter drives This was going to post same thing. Price is really the biggest con. I'm trying to build a sweet travel laptop. I heard the SSDs don't run your battery down as much. It would mainly be for photography and entertainment, movies, etc.. What I did for my laptop (admittedly, it's an odd setup) 2 256GB SSD in raid0 for boot/games/programs/etc 1 256GB SSD on its own for /users 1 2TB platter drive for pics/videos/other files |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 8:56:21 PM EDT
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As others have said pro's are speed, power usage, shock resistance(this is a bigger deal in laptops). Cons are storage cost(spinning rust is a lot cheaper here) for the most part. Most people will be fine with a 250 gig ssd which is around 100 bucks so the cost isn't as big of an issue.
On reliability many SSD's have an issue where they will just up and die(long after most would be done with them) vs the possibility of showing failure. It is kinda crap as they could be programmed to go into a read only mode as they start to fail(which some are). Your average user will never put the amount of data writes on a drive for this to be an issue though and hey you should always have a backup anyway. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 9:00:51 PM EDT
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Cons: they're more expensive.
Pros: everything else. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 9:03:35 PM EDT
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On reliability many SSD's have an issue where they will just up and die(long after most would be done with them) vs the possibility of showing failure I tested some ocz units years back that did that, but hey, it's ocz, and they're always hit or miss. In >5 years of deploying a ton of intel ssds everywhere I possibly could, I've never had it happen to a single one. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 9:10:21 PM EDT
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I tested some ocz units years back that did that, but hey, it's ocz, and they're always hit or miss. In >5 years of deploying a ton of intel ssds everywhere I possibly could, I've never had it happen to a single one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On reliability many SSD's have an issue where they will just up and die(long after most would be done with them) vs the possibility of showing failure I tested some ocz units years back that did that, but hey, it's ocz, and they're always hit or miss. In >5 years of deploying a ton of intel ssds everywhere I possibly could, I've never had it happen to a single one. I've seen it happen to consumer drives that were put into database servers. A few places had tested drives to destruction and noted it as well a few years ago. Again this is something most will never have to worry about. As far as OCZ goes I wouldn't trust them with anything. I remember giving my coworker crap for buying one. A few months later he let give him shit for it when it lost all of the data on it yet somehow was able to be reformatted. He put it in his wifes machine and I think it died or did the same thing months down the road(can't remember). Generally speaking I've been using the samsung drives in everything with exceptions to using some of the intel ones. When stock issues have come up crucial and sandisk drives have been used as well. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 9:20:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was going to post same thing. Price is really the biggest con. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Pros: fast as fuck, size can be quite small relative to the storage capacity Cons: unknown long term reliability, size can't really compete with platter drives (at least at a reasonable price), cost compared to platter drives This was going to post same thing. Price is really the biggest con. CONS: not as good for write intensive use (?) I remember reading this a few years ago now, maybe it has changed.. with newer discs having higher write endurance?? just passing it along as something to look out for, I have not kept up on the latest since I am not looking to replace anything currently.. .. but maybe ill be influenced  |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 9:50:39 PM EDT
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Even if you can't afford a really big one, get a 256Gb or so for your system/boot drive and store the big stuff on your NAS or a platter drive. Any way to do this on a laptop? Depends on the bay size(s) of the laptop. On many laptops you can remove the dvd drive and replace it with a small drive enclosure to hold a second hard drive. |
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Posted: 7/18/2016 10:15:37 PM EDT
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My work machines are all SSD. My personal rig has a 2TB hard drive array with a 60GB SSD cache.
Downside to SSD is high cost and limited capacity. Only Samsung makes a 2TB SSD and it costs $700. |
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Posted: 7/19/2016 12:26:04 AM EDT
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When a SSD shits the bed, there is not chance of saving the lost data!!!!!
With a standard drive, there is always the freezer trick that allows you to pull the data at the first sign the drive is going bad isntead. So be blunt, with a SSD you better be backing it Daily like is going to crash any day, even when brand new. If you don't have in-House storage, then better cloud what you don't want to loose daily instead. So SSD, way faster than any spinning drive, but when it does crash, your pretty much screwed with a way to pull the lost data off it instead. |
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Posted: 7/19/2016 12:55:40 AM EDT
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So SSD, way faster than any spinning drive, but when it does crash, your pretty much screwed with a way to pull the lost data off it instead. I try to keep the SSD to nothing but boot, swap and system state - can always restore that from an image, and swap doesn't matter on a restart. All my apps and data are on the NAS, and in some cases, to the cloud, with scheduled automatic backups of all. Locality for performance versus persistence. I've occasionally had to re-download transaction data on financials when remaking a system from backups, but never lost things to more than the last firm system state. |
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Posted: 7/19/2016 7:40:08 PM EDT
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When a drive shits the bed you should NEVER assume you can recover the data. If your backup plan includes "you can probably get most of it back with data recovery" you've already lost.
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When a SSD shits the bed, there is not chance of saving the lost data!!!!! With a standard drive, there is always the freezer trick that allows you to pull the data at the first sign the drive is going bad isntead. So be blunt, with a SSD you better be backing it Daily like is going to crash any day, even when brand new. If you don't have in-House storage, then better cloud what you don't want to loose daily instead. So SSD, way faster than any spinning drive, but when it does crash, your pretty much screwed with a way to pull the lost data off it instead. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 3:15:57 AM EDT
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CONS: not as good for write intensive use (?) I remember reading this a few years ago now, maybe it has changed.. with newer discs having higher write endurance?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pros: fast as fuck, size can be quite small relative to the storage capacity Cons: unknown long term reliability, size can't really compete with platter drives (at least at a reasonable price), cost compared to platter drives This was going to post same thing. Price is really the biggest con. CONS: not as good for write intensive use (?) I remember reading this a few years ago now, maybe it has changed.. with newer discs having higher write endurance?? A lot of better drives (like Intels) are rated for anywhere from a full drive capacity to three full drive capacities of write *per day* for five years straight. Actual tests generally have their consumer stuff lasting 2,000 to 3,000 or more FULL DRIVE CAPACITIES of write. Now, if you're running insane DBMS stuff on them in production, you should buy enterprise, and yes, they will eventually wear out, but you can monitor that and replace before hand. For home use, buy a drive, and put it in. Extremely few home users will ever wear out something like the consumer-grade Intels listed above, the drive will eventually just be replaced because it's too small, or because new, insanely faster stuff has come along. I have a stack of SSDs sitting on my shelf that were retired because drives got bigger and faster. The ones with the highest wear actually hit 1% of their rated write cycles! |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 3:46:23 AM EDT
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Cons: they're more expensive. Pros: everything else. This. Price is becoming less of an obstacle with each passing day. A quick trip to newegg.com on Black Friday can pretty much remove it entirely. Reliability? I've had more mechanical drives fail than I care to mention. Think about what's going on in there... a stack of metal disks whirling around at jet turbine speeds, with metal heads zipping to and fro within a hair's breadth of the surface. The only thing surprising about mechanical drive failure is that it doesn't happen more often than it does. The only way to ensure against data loss is through redundancy, replication and backups, whether mechanical or SS. If data is lost, a person is at fault. Period. Mechanical drives are going the way of the LP record. The only real difference is that mechanical drives don't hold the nostalgic appeal that keeps the vinyl spinning in some audio enthusiast's setups. |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 9:28:17 AM EDT
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Biggest reason is cost. High end machines all come with SSDs now, bargain jobs may just get a small one or a hybrid. Even if you can't afford a really big one, get a 256Gb or so for your system/boot drive and store the big stuff on your NAS or a platter drive. Any way to do this on a laptop? Some laptops will have what they refer to as an M.2 Sata adapter. This allows you to install a circuit card which for all intents and purposes is an SSD - it takes less room than a regular drive, which is why they are often found in laptops. Other machines have the ability to hold more than one Hard Drive, in which case you can install a 2.5" SSD as one of the drives. Mike |
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Posted: 7/20/2016 2:04:14 PM EDT
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I've had cheap SSD's shit the bed (ADATA, Sandisk, Mushkin, Corsair, OCZ, etc.) Never had a Tier 1 drive (Samsung EVO/PRO, Intel Enterprise) go tits up.
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Posted: 7/22/2016 10:47:43 AM EDT
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I have been using them for years both commercial and consumer in array's that handle tasks like non liner video editing and database transactions and have never (not once) had one fail from wear. NetApp/Pure/other.
The only con i see is capacity vs. spinning sata and that (i am told continually) is going to stop being an issue in the near future. I'm not holding my breath. pro's are many. I have found that in our systems SSD has been more reliable than spinning media, especially dense media. rebuild times are faster, throughput is faster, energy and heat use is less, porn looks better.. the list goes on. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 9:44:42 PM EDT
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Some laptops will have what they refer to as an M.2 Sata adapter. This allows you to install a circuit card which for all intents and purposes is an SSD - it takes less room than a regular drive, which is why they are often found in laptops. Other machines have the ability to hold more than one Hard Drive, in which case you can install a 2.5" SSD as one of the drives. Mike Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Biggest reason is cost. High end machines all come with SSDs now, bargain jobs may just get a small one or a hybrid. Even if you can't afford a really big one, get a 256Gb or so for your system/boot drive and store the big stuff on your NAS or a platter drive. Any way to do this on a laptop? Some laptops will have what they refer to as an M.2 Sata adapter. This allows you to install a circuit card which for all intents and purposes is an SSD - it takes less room than a regular drive, which is why they are often found in laptops. Other machines have the ability to hold more than one Hard Drive, in which case you can install a 2.5" SSD as one of the drives. Mike I came to post this. My laptop supports it but I'm waiting for the screamin' fast ones to come down in price. For now I'm content with my 850 EVO. |
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Posted: 7/24/2016 11:40:56 AM EDT
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I just cloned my Macbook air's 250G SSD (optional upgrade) to an aftermarket 1TB SSD. It was too easy, came with an enclosure that turned my old SSD into an external back-up. I'm not running two separate back-up drives incase it dies for whatever reason. It's nice not running out of room all the time, I have a lot of movies on an eternal hard drive but it's not alway fun to carry around external drives.
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Posted: 7/27/2016 2:15:56 PM EDT
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When picking out an SSD, keep these manufacturers in mind
Samsung Intel Crucial |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 9:13:14 PM EDT
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When picking out an SSD, keep these manufacturers in mind Samsung Intel Crucial Drop crucial in favor of sandisk. And intel isn't so relevant anymore for consumer ssd's. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 9:40:52 PM EDT
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I put a 500 gb ssd in my 2010 macbook pro (Samsung 840 evo). Runs fast and fine.
I put a 500 gb SSD in my wifes laptop - Toshiba laptop. I think I used the samsung 850 pro. no problems - I fought the cloning software tooth and nail and never did get it to work. I ended up doing a clean install, and then copying all her data files over from a thumb drive I had used to back up her data. I'm not a computer guy - but I think especially in a laptop the SSD is smart. It's not prone to damage if you jar the laptop. My daughter and her husband have killed three HDD's in their laptops by dropping the things. I think the SSD is probably a bit safer. Still a good idea to not go cheap, and to back things up that are important. i have a 500 gb SSD in my iMac as well - and a 3TB WD platter for backup. It's hooked up to the iMac full time and backs up continuously. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 9:44:37 PM EDT
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When picking out an SSD, keep these manufacturers in mind Samsung Intel Crucial Fixed it for you. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 10:54:46 PM EDT
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Yeah but from a professional services provider standpoint, we love this way of thinking and should encourage it wherever possible.
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When a drive shits the bed you should NEVER assume you can recover the data. If your backup plan includes "you can probably get most of it back with data recovery" you've already lost. Quote HistoryQuoted:
When a drive shits the bed you should NEVER assume you can recover the data. If your backup plan includes "you can probably get most of it back with data recovery" you've already lost. Quoted:
When a SSD shits the bed, there is not chance of saving the lost data!!!!! With a standard drive, there is always the freezer trick that allows you to pull the data at the first sign the drive is going bad isntead. So be blunt, with a SSD you better be backing it Daily like is going to crash any day, even when brand new. If you don't have in-House storage, then better cloud what you don't want to loose daily instead. So SSD, way faster than any spinning drive, but when it does crash, your pretty much screwed with a way to pull the lost data off it instead. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 10:59:24 PM EDT
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Drop crucial in favor of sandisk. And intel isn't so relevant anymore for consumer ssd's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When picking out an SSD, keep these manufacturers in mind Samsung Intel Crucial Drop crucial in favor of sandisk. And intel isn't so relevant anymore for consumer ssd's. Intels don't offer quite as high of numbers that others offer, but have some durability/reliability features that the others don't. In tests I've seen with power cuts, Intel drives were the only ones to reliably, fully flush their cache to flash every time. And I know it's pricey, but the Intel 750 in my machine at work is.... smoking fast. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 1:11:39 AM EDT
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I fought the cloning software tooth and nail and never did get it to work. . Yep, Samsung cloning software is a hit and miss, while the free version of Reflect works like a charm. http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx 
P.S, Running an Evo 850 1TB on my current laptop (pick up up on a blow out sale under $300, including the needed sata to usb3 cable to clone), and been happy with it once the Samsung magician software was installed and tweaked. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 10:28:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fixed it for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When picking out an SSD, keep these manufacturers in mind Samsung Intel Crucial Fixed it for you. Must be something about Crucial that I haven't read about yet.. Lots of people have recommended Crucial as a good SSD. I bought a 256gb M550 last year and it's been stellar |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 11:41:00 AM EDT
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Cheap Acer AMD A8 laptop came with shitty 5400rpm drive.
Added 16GB of ram, 240gb SSD, and the thing is damn snappy to use. Loaded Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and use Evolution (email) and Libreoffice 5 for all the work stuff that I don't trust on Windows. Before the SSD, the thing was a lemon. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 3:17:12 PM EDT
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When picking out an SSD, keep these manufacturers in mind Samsung Intel Crucial Fixed it for you. Must be something about Crucial that I haven't read about yet.. Lots of people have recommended Crucial as a good SSD. I bought a 256gb M550 last year and it's been stellar They may have improved. We used a ton of just about ALL the brands at work for years. We saw a LOT of crucials die early, and immediate deaths. One day it works, next day its dead, Jim. I run about 10 Intel SSD's in a 24x7 environment, hosting VM's for all kinds of server workloads. I finally had one fail. It was a version/firmware with a fairly complained about issue, and Intel sent me a replacement one no problem. But that was about 3 years old when it croaked. My oldest are 5 years and still work great. I only trust Intel and Samsung. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 12:17:31 AM EDT
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Doing it on a laptop -
Get a big SSD (512 GB). This will hold the OS and all your application software. Get an external USB drive for bulk storage and also use it as a back-up drive. If you need additional storage while on the go, get a thumb drive. They're cheap and small and can hold multi-XX GB. |
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Posted: 7/30/2016 12:33:47 AM EDT
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If you need additional storage while on the go, get a thumb drive. They're cheap and small and can hold multi-XX GB. This. I've got 256 giggers, and know they go up even bigger. When multi-terabyte thumbs make the scene, it will open a whole new era of pornography internet information interchange technologies. |
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Posted: 7/31/2016 9:56:00 PM EDT
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upgraded my old Sony Vaio laptop with a SSD a few months ago, was fast as fuck
Rebuilt the system from the round up, fresh Windows 7 install, windows update, downloaded Firefox, etc etc |
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Posted: 7/31/2016 10:07:09 PM EDT
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So who has the best deal on a 700gb-1tb samsung right now?
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Posted: 7/31/2016 10:17:59 PM EDT
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Pros: fast as fuck, size can be quite small relative to the storage capacity Cons: unknown long term reliability, size can't really compete with platter drives (at least at a reasonable price), cost compared to platter drives This was going to post same thing. Price is really the biggest con. I'm trying to build a sweet travel laptop. I heard the SSDs don't run your battery down as much. It would mainly be for photography and entertainment, movies, etc.. I bought a very high end laptop but without the expensive SSD and RAM upgrades and then did the upgrades myself. Got way better SSD and RAM for way less money. Yuuge improvement. A SSD doesn't change the battery life much if at all. |
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Posted: 7/31/2016 10:23:23 PM EDT
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half tb ssd's are below $150, and getting close to $100. Lots of players now, but, reliability is going to be unknown. Any SSD will be faster than a mech hdd, tho. I need to pull the trigger on a few of them, just haven't decided on size and brand yet. |
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Posted: 7/31/2016 10:38:29 PM EDT
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half tb ssd's are below $150, and getting close to $100. Lots of players now, but, reliability is going to be unknown. Any SSD will be faster than a mech hdd, tho. I need to pull the trigger on a few of them, just haven't decided on size and brand yet. I have an EVO 850 in my Mac and a SanDisk Ultra II in my Linux laptop. No complaints about either. 1TB and 512MB respectively. |
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Posted: 7/31/2016 10:41:52 PM EDT
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This thread makes me want to dig out an older laptop I have sitting round, and replace it's 250Gb spinner for an SSD. It's an older 2007 era laptop which runs fine for causal surfing, however it takes forever to boot up.
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