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Posted: 1/16/2015 6:32:37 PM EDT
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vSphere and vCenter because it has the most functionality. VMware is way ahead of the competition.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 6:38:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: vSphere and vCenter because it has the most functionality. VMware is way ahead of the competition. If you are talking about for home use then it really doesn't matter. This.
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Posted: 1/16/2015 7:08:29 PM EDT
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vSphere and vCenter because it has the most functionality. VMware is way ahead of the competition. If you are talking about for home use then it really doesn't matter. I'm actually looking for just an in-depth discussion of virtualization infrastructure in general. I agree VMware is way out ahead when it comes to functionality and possibly even scale. But, it's goddamn expensive. In my consulting job I wind up pushing a lot of Hyper-V because the cost to get it started is waaaaay cheaper. Most clients already have windows servers that can be converted, or don't balk at replacement costs that are in line with what they spent before with the simple inclusion of a few hours of billable labor to deploy the whole thing over the top of Hyper-V. Even from a SMB standpoint 2012R2 Essentials + Hyper-v are a fantastic way for small businesses to get the benefits of virtual infrastructure without spending what it would take to go VMware. I'm not a particular fan of XenServer, and Citrix isn't either judging by the fact that the whole XenServer project has been turned over to the open source community. However, I see Citrix as having a way bigger foothold in App virtualization and VDI than anyone else. VMware View is a joke, RDS with App-V is barely mature (but catching up), and Citrix has been in the remote application game since before VMware was a company. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 7:29:33 PM EDT
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I'm actually looking for just an in-depth discussion of virtualization infrastructure in general. I agree VMware is way out ahead when it comes to functionality and possibly even scale. But, it's goddamn expensive. In my consulting job I wind up pushing a lot of Hyper-V because the cost to get it started is waaaaay cheaper. Most clients already have windows servers that can be converted, or don't balk at replacement costs that are in line with what they spent before with the simple inclusion of a few hours of billable labor to deploy the whole thing over the top of Hyper-V. Even from a SMB standpoint 2012R2 Essentials + Hyper-v are a fantastic way for small businesses to get the benefits of virtual infrastructure without spending what it would take to go VMware. I'm not a particular fan of XenServer, and Citrix isn't either judging by the fact that the whole XenServer project has been turned over to the open source community. However, I see Citrix as having a way bigger foothold in App virtualization and VDI than anyone else. VMware View is a joke, RDS with App-V is barely mature (but catching up), and Citrix has been in the remote application game since before VMware was a company. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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vSphere and vCenter because it has the most functionality. VMware is way ahead of the competition. If you are talking about for home use then it really doesn't matter. I'm actually looking for just an in-depth discussion of virtualization infrastructure in general. I agree VMware is way out ahead when it comes to functionality and possibly even scale. But, it's goddamn expensive. In my consulting job I wind up pushing a lot of Hyper-V because the cost to get it started is waaaaay cheaper. Most clients already have windows servers that can be converted, or don't balk at replacement costs that are in line with what they spent before with the simple inclusion of a few hours of billable labor to deploy the whole thing over the top of Hyper-V. Even from a SMB standpoint 2012R2 Essentials + Hyper-v are a fantastic way for small businesses to get the benefits of virtual infrastructure without spending what it would take to go VMware. I'm not a particular fan of XenServer, and Citrix isn't either judging by the fact that the whole XenServer project has been turned over to the open source community. However, I see Citrix as having a way bigger foothold in App virtualization and VDI than anyone else. VMware View is a joke, RDS with App-V is barely mature (but catching up), and Citrix has been in the remote application game since before VMware was a company. I'm not sure I'd be helpful for a in-depth discussion of anything but VMware. I have no interest in looking at any other product than the best one available. I support over 5000 VMs for a SaaS company. We would never run our prod environment on anything else. It's obviously more expensive given that I still have to license each host with a Windows Datacenter license. How do you manage the hosts? What is the largest environment you've set up? Do the smaller shops purchase licensing for SCCM for management? I don't keep up with SMB options but for most I'm sure Hyper-V would work fine for them. I would just hate to manage hosts individually. I would have to look at pricing but EVO Rail or EVO Rack may be helpful for smaller shops as they could easily scale up as needed. I've seen good things with Horizon View at VMworld but I still need to put in a lab to test it out. Citrix has been doing app virtualization longer but I fucking hate supporting XenApp. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 7:40:19 PM EDT
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vSphere and vCenter because it has the most functionality. VMware is way ahead of the competition. If you are talking about for home use then it really doesn't matter. This. +1 |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 8:29:23 PM EDT
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I'm not sure I'd be helpful for a in-depth discussion of anything but VMware. I have no interest in looking at any other product than the best one available. I support over 5000 VMs for a SaaS company. We would never run our prod environment on anything else. It's obviously more expensive given that I still have to license each host with a Windows Datacenter license. How do you manage the hosts? What is the largest environment you've set up? Do the smaller shops purchase licensing for SCCM for management? I don't keep up with SMB options but for most I'm sure Hyper-V would work fine for them. I would just hate to manage hosts individually. I would have to look at pricing but EVO Rail or EVO Rack may be helpful for smaller shops as they could easily scale up as needed. I've seen good things with Horizon View at VMworld but I still need to put in a lab to test it out. Citrix has been doing app virtualization longer but I fucking hate supporting XenApp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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vSphere and vCenter because it has the most functionality. VMware is way ahead of the competition. If you are talking about for home use then it really doesn't matter. I'm actually looking for just an in-depth discussion of virtualization infrastructure in general. I agree VMware is way out ahead when it comes to functionality and possibly even scale. But, it's goddamn expensive. In my consulting job I wind up pushing a lot of Hyper-V because the cost to get it started is waaaaay cheaper. Most clients already have windows servers that can be converted, or don't balk at replacement costs that are in line with what they spent before with the simple inclusion of a few hours of billable labor to deploy the whole thing over the top of Hyper-V. Even from a SMB standpoint 2012R2 Essentials + Hyper-v are a fantastic way for small businesses to get the benefits of virtual infrastructure without spending what it would take to go VMware. I'm not a particular fan of XenServer, and Citrix isn't either judging by the fact that the whole XenServer project has been turned over to the open source community. However, I see Citrix as having a way bigger foothold in App virtualization and VDI than anyone else. VMware View is a joke, RDS with App-V is barely mature (but catching up), and Citrix has been in the remote application game since before VMware was a company. I'm not sure I'd be helpful for a in-depth discussion of anything but VMware. I have no interest in looking at any other product than the best one available. I support over 5000 VMs for a SaaS company. We would never run our prod environment on anything else. It's obviously more expensive given that I still have to license each host with a Windows Datacenter license. How do you manage the hosts? What is the largest environment you've set up? Do the smaller shops purchase licensing for SCCM for management? I don't keep up with SMB options but for most I'm sure Hyper-V would work fine for them. I would just hate to manage hosts individually. I would have to look at pricing but EVO Rail or EVO Rack may be helpful for smaller shops as they could easily scale up as needed. I've seen good things with Horizon View at VMworld but I still need to put in a lab to test it out. Citrix has been doing app virtualization longer but I fucking hate supporting XenApp. An environment of that size I totally agree, VMware all the way. I'm a Hyper-V guy, and if the environment is big enough, they go SCCM but the 1-10 VM shops I just do simple fail-over replication on either shared storage or block level replication from host to host, the VMs are easy enough to manage with the Hyper-V snap-in and of course SCCM is SCCM. But managing only 2 hosts and 5-10 VMs is really not a terrible en-devour. The nice thing about Hyper-V is that it's REALLY easy to talk the customer into doing it, because they all have random Windows servers laying around and you just add the Hyper-V role and you've got something to work with and no purchase necessary. Then once they see how useful virtual stuff is, it's easy to talk them into keeping it up. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 9:30:58 PM EDT
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An environment of that size I totally agree, VMware all the way. I'm a Hyper-V guy, and if the environment is big enough, they go SCCM but the 1-10 VM shops I just do simple fail-over replication on either shared storage or block level replication from host to host, the VMs are easy enough to manage with the Hyper-V snap-in and of course SCCM is SCCM. But managing only 2 hosts and 5-10 VMs is really not a terrible en-devour. The nice thing about Hyper-V is that it's REALLY easy to talk the customer into doing it, because they all have random Windows servers laying around and you just add the Hyper-V role and you've got something to work with and no purchase necessary. Then once they see how useful virtual stuff is, it's easy to talk them into keeping it up. With environments that small Hyper-V is the clear winner. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 10:58:48 PM EDT
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An environment of that size I totally agree, VMware all the way. I'm a Hyper-V guy, and if the environment is big enough, they go SCCM but the 1-10 VM shops I just do simple fail-over replication on either shared storage or block level replication from host to host, the VMs are easy enough to manage with the Hyper-V snap-in and of course SCCM is SCCM. But managing only 2 hosts and 5-10 VMs is really not a terrible en-devour. The nice thing about Hyper-V is that it's REALLY easy to talk the customer into doing it, because they all have random Windows servers laying around and you just add the Hyper-V role and you've got something to work with and no purchase necessary. Then once they see how useful virtual stuff is, it's easy to talk them into keeping it up. With environments that small Hyper-V is the clear winner. One thing I would love, is figuring out how to centrally manage all my clients Hyper-V environments without running into stupid licensing issues. |
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Posted: 1/16/2015 11:47:25 PM EDT
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I use ESXI at home. Absolutely love it's ease of use.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 2:02:38 PM EDT
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ESXi/vsphere, because View. Absolutely love it for my call center. Compared to discretes, it eliminated the equivalent of one full time support person. It also hugely reduced power consumption, with subsequent gains in A/C demands, UPS battery demands, and generator fuel. Increased costs were negated with the first year of use, with everything else being savings and gravy.
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Posted: 1/17/2015 5:55:06 PM EDT
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ESXi/vsphere, because View. Absolutely love it for my call center. Compared to discretes, it eliminated the equivalent of one full time support person. It also hugely reduced power consumption, with subsequent gains in A/C demands, UPS battery demands, and generator fuel. Increased costs were negated with the first year of use, with everything else being savings and gravy. Back when I did telephony stuff for large call centers, View was used A LOT. You're not alone in that assessment. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 12:21:07 AM EDT
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I'm running ESXi 5.5 at home. It's free and I want to learn it.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 2:04:53 AM EDT
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I'm running ESXi 5.5 at home. It's free and I want to learn it. My lab equipment actually has too many cores to run the free version. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:27:05 AM EDT
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ESX because I work there?
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Posted: 1/18/2015 3:50:25 AM EDT
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ESX because I work there? Hook a brotha up with some licenses yo!
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:10:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My lab equipment actually has too many cores to run the free version. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm running ESXi 5.5 at home. It's free and I want to learn it. My lab equipment actually has too many cores to run the free version. I think you can still run it, but it won't use them. |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 11:36:51 AM EDT
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vsphere for 95%
XenServer for vGPU functionality (See nvidia K1 & K2) The vGPU functionality is still in beta for vmware |
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Posted: 1/18/2015 7:57:43 PM EDT
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ESXi 5.5 with vSphere. You can get a free license for up to 16 CPU's IIRC. It's quite nice.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:09:12 PM EDT
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As of right now Hyper-v but we are working on getting VMWare. If the fucking DoD procurement system wasn't such a goat fuck we would have already had it.
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Posted: 1/18/2015 9:39:29 PM EDT
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vsphere for 95% XenServer for vGPU functionality (See nvidia K1 & K2) The vGPU functionality is still in beta for vmware I virtualized a K2 with ESXi for View without any problems at all. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 12:46:52 AM EDT
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I virtualized a K2 with ESXi for View without any problems at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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vsphere for 95% XenServer for vGPU functionality (See nvidia K1 & K2) The vGPU functionality is still in beta for vmware I virtualized a K2 with ESXi for View without any problems at all. I'm sure you did, I've done it too. However vGPU is still in early access and not fully supported so we can't release on that platform until it's "ready" by vmware standards. If you're saying that you "virtualized a K2" without using the vGPU early access stuff then you used vSGA or vDGA which for many cases work just fine. But to leverage the functionality of the GRID cards you have really have got to have the vGPU stuff working I'm not saying you don't know what you're doing, just lots of people misunderstand vGPU especially when it comes to vmware so I took the opportunity to clarify a little. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 1:00:11 AM EDT
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Openstack with KVM for the win.
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Posted: 1/19/2015 3:33:42 PM EDT
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I'm running ESXi 5.5 at home. It's free and I want to learn it. My lab equipment actually has too many cores to run the free version. I think you can still run it, but it won't use them. But my Hyper-V 2012R2 uses all of them. So....yeah. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 4:59:11 PM EDT
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vsphere for 95% XenServer for vGPU functionality (See nvidia K1 & K2) The vGPU functionality is still in beta for vmware I was invited by Citrix and Nvidia to a demo of the vGPU, it looks neat as all hell. |
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Posted: 1/19/2015 5:00:42 PM EDT
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Openstack with KVM for the win. You're the first person I've seen actually use OpenStack and KVM in a production environment. Thoughts and impressions on it? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 3:07:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hook a brotha up with some licenses yo! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ESX because I work there? Hook a brotha up with some licenses yo!  |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 3:20:35 PM EDT
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ESX because I work there? Hook a brotha up with some licenses yo!
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Posted: 1/25/2015 3:43:11 PM EDT
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You're the first person I've seen actually use OpenStack and KVM in a production environment. Thoughts and impressions on it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Openstack with KVM for the win. You're the first person I've seen actually use OpenStack and KVM in a production environment. Thoughts and impressions on it? Some work to get up and running. Awesome after that. Redhat support is really good. |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 3:44:24 PM EDT
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Some work to get up and running. Awesome after that. Redhat support is really good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Openstack with KVM for the win. You're the first person I've seen actually use OpenStack and KVM in a production environment. Thoughts and impressions on it? Some work to get up and running. Awesome after that. Redhat support is really good. I've heard rumors that RedHat is going to start selling such a setup commercially. If such an offering was around, and not a terrible price point, would you have selected it? |
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Posted: 1/25/2015 9:36:10 PM EDT
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Openstack with KVM for the win. You're the first person I've seen actually use OpenStack and KVM in a production environment. Thoughts and impressions on it? Some work to get up and running. Awesome after that. Redhat support is really good. Forgive my ignorance. What do you use to manage it? How is the feature set? |
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Posted: 1/26/2015 8:34:58 PM EDT
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Forgive my ignorance. What do you use to manage it? How is the feature set? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Openstack with KVM for the win. You're the first person I've seen actually use OpenStack and KVM in a production environment. Thoughts and impressions on it? Some work to get up and running. Awesome after that. Redhat support is really good. Forgive my ignorance. What do you use to manage it? How is the feature set? RedHat has a commercial tool they sell for managing KVM Hypervisors, and ostensibly opencloud, I have zero experience with it though. |
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