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Link Posted: 5/14/2017 4:29:07 PM EDT
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If you're shooting in manual mode, where you meter and where you focus have no relationship anymore.

Point the camera at the brightest part of the image, dial in the settings to give you the meter value you think will work, then focus the camera wherever you like and take the picture.
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Yup, I understand it.

The question is how. If my metering is focused on a darker area of the setting, the sky doesn't come in well.  If I focus on the sky, there might be blow outs.

I have been shooting in brackets, but even then the sky sometimes comes out blown (not as bad as before though).

So, I would adjust so it would be darker to avoid the blowouts from the sky?
If you're shooting in manual mode, where you meter and where you focus have no relationship anymore.

Point the camera at the brightest part of the image, dial in the settings to give you the meter value you think will work, then focus the camera wherever you like and take the picture.
Been so long since I used manual, I may start experimenting with it again..
Link Posted: 5/14/2017 4:29:42 PM EDT
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I bet the following tutorial will help you to use your camera.  You could also check through the manual.

https://youtu.be/zAFigFMdi58

Normally you would set it in manual mode, look through the viewfinder, partial depress shutter and then dial in the exposure.  The camera will tell you under/over in the viewfinder as you adjust the shutter, aperture and ISO.  The recompose and take the shot.  Then normally you would use the shutter speed to get the over/under that you are looking for so you can blend the shots to get the entire scene properly exposed.
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Ok. On my Canon, focusing and the meter are the same.  The only way I can get my 'settings' in my viewfinder to appear is to press the shutter button, which does both the focusing and metering.

Maybe I should figure out a way to change that?
I bet the following tutorial will help you to use your camera.  You could also check through the manual.

https://youtu.be/zAFigFMdi58

Normally you would set it in manual mode, look through the viewfinder, partial depress shutter and then dial in the exposure.  The camera will tell you under/over in the viewfinder as you adjust the shutter, aperture and ISO.  The recompose and take the shot.  Then normally you would use the shutter speed to get the over/under that you are looking for so you can blend the shots to get the entire scene properly exposed.
Gotcha, thanks.
Link Posted: 5/14/2017 7:50:19 PM EDT
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I'm either in single point or group AF depending on if I'm shooting a static or moving subject.

I don't use any of the dynamic modes or 3d whatevers. Even on the D500 (most advanced AF system in a DSLR - ever) it still isn't what I'd call reliable. I prefer to handle the tracking myself.

Sounds to me like you're shooting in one of the auto modes if you're having that big of an issue.

Try this - throw it into manual, and spot meter on the brightest part of your image. Dial in an appropriate ETTR there, then compose the shot however you'd like it to be.

The other option (a bit more fiddly) would be to use one of the auto modes,  spot meter as above, and then use the Auto Exposure lock button, and recompose that way.

Edit: Forgot to mention for my Nikon brethren...there's a better way to accomplish the above task if your camera supports it.

Highlight weighted metering.
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That's when the asterisk shows next to the spot metering mode?
Link Posted: 5/14/2017 7:58:48 PM EDT
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Zack has you pointed in the right direction.

When shooting sunsets/sunrises with the sun in the frame, you cannot let the camera pick the exposure settings.
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This was shot in Auto exposure, -1 EV bias.  Not saying it's a great shot, but my target was the starburst sun and the clouds down the shoulder of Mauna Loa.  Wasn't concerned about losing detail on the mountain itself.

11mm, 1/1000s, f/16, ISO 200.

Sunset 20170220 by FredMan, on Flickr

ETA that one led to this one, which is a 3-shot HDR, taken 50 minutes later.

Sunset 20170220 by FredMan, on Flickr
Link Posted: 5/14/2017 8:53:17 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/15/2017 11:37:17 AM EDT
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Yup, I understand it.

The question is how. If my metering is focused on a darker area of the setting, the sky doesn't come in well.  If I focus on the sky, there might be blow outs.

I have been shooting in brackets, but even then the sky sometimes comes out blown (not as bad as before though).

So, I would adjust so it would be darker to avoid the blowouts from the sky?
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For sunrise/sunset, the old school method is to frame the shot with the sun just outside frame and use that exposure as the starting point for "matrix" or other full-screen metering. If you are using spot metering, pick a location near but not on the sun.
Link Posted: 5/15/2017 12:34:30 PM EDT
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my suggestion is just to stop doing HDR
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Link Posted: 5/15/2017 1:23:14 PM EDT
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my suggestion is just to stop doing HDR
I suspect you guys are really saying "stop doing [the garish and cartoon-ish] HDR" rather than making a blanket statement that HDR should be avoided altogether. There are scenarios where the camera's inherent limit on dynamic range needs to be overcome to achieve a compelling image that is natural in appearance. This calls for HDR and is a technique I use frequently - without the effects of Photomatix' more ... artistic expressions that I consider undesirable. 
Link Posted: 5/17/2017 6:53:18 PM EDT
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I suspect you guys are really saying "stop doing [the garish and cartoon-ish] HDR"  
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Exactly this. Lots of folks don't realize that there is a choice to be made.

Lots more folks don't realize that after the HDR software is finished doing its thing, all the "normal" post processing still needs to be done.
Link Posted: 5/17/2017 9:47:32 PM EDT
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For sunrise/sunset, the old school method is to frame the shot with the sun just outside frame and use that exposure as the starting point for "matrix" or other full-screen metering. If you are using spot metering, pick a location near but not on the sun.
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Yup, I understand it.

The question is how. If my metering is focused on a darker area of the setting, the sky doesn't come in well.  If I focus on the sky, there might be blow outs.

I have been shooting in brackets, but even then the sky sometimes comes out blown (not as bad as before though).

So, I would adjust so it would be darker to avoid the blowouts from the sky?
For sunrise/sunset, the old school method is to frame the shot with the sun just outside frame and use that exposure as the starting point for "matrix" or other full-screen metering. If you are using spot metering, pick a location near but not on the sun.
I will give it a shot.
Link Posted: 5/17/2017 9:48:16 PM EDT
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Exactly this. Lots of folks don't realize that there is a choice to be made.

Lots more folks don't realize that after the HDR software is finished doing its thing, all the "normal" post processing still needs to be done.
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I suspect you guys are really saying "stop doing [the garish and cartoon-ish] HDR"  
Exactly this. Lots of folks don't realize that there is a choice to be made.

Lots more folks don't realize that after the HDR software is finished doing its thing, all the "normal" post processing still needs to be done.
I think some people see the preset settings in HDR programs and are turned off by it.

It is why I like Lightroom's HDR merging. You start from scratch.

Sunset.Road.View by Robert Mc, on Flickr
Link Posted: 5/22/2017 2:47:31 PM EDT
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Adobe has a fairly decent guide here.
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Finally got around to watching it. (Work has been nuts)

The only thing about merging the HDR in Photoshop vs lightroom is the Photoshop offers 32 bit, where as LR does not?

You are still doing all the adjustments in LR.
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