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I have never owned a camera that wasn't attached to a smartphone. I can't even call myself a noob photographer yet.

But I figure that now that I'm out in the real world making money, I need to start capturing the wondrous life around me.

I'm scared to jump full-in and get a DSLR because it would be quite an investment... especially if I don't use it as often as I claim I would.

So, what are some non DSLR cameras a beginner could try out? And why should I consider just dropping the dough on a DSLR (and which kinds)?

Thanks ahead of time, oh wise gurus.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 3:40:41 PM
I really like the canon SX110-130-150s


Big display, canon divx CCD, aa batteries, 28-330 zoom, fast shutter when wide, manual mode

I bought the sx120 for the 300mm zoom in a pocketable camera, one issue is the 4x3 imager

My new carry rig is the canon g1x and it's a heck of a camera, but 3.5 x the cost of the sx150


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Posted: 8/8/2012 3:59:07 PM
Big advantage to a DSLR is the variety of lenses. As you gain knowledge of the art of photograpy you will wish you had bought upscale. Canon does have plenty of point and shoot cameras though!
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Posted: 8/8/2012 4:12:14 PM
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Originally Posted By doc_Zox:
I really like the canon SX110-130-150s


Big display, canon divx CCD, aa batteries, 28-330 zoom, fast shutter when wide, manual mode

I bought the sx120 for the 300mm zoom in a pocketable camera, one issue is the 4x3 imager

My new carry rig is the canon g1x and it's a heck of a camera, but 3.5 x the cost of the sx150


That's pretty cool. And for not going into DSLR, I like the price range.

However, I just stumbled upon Nikon L810 on Amazon for below $200... Any idea on how they would compare?


ETA:

Voodoo, if I were to consider a DSLR... Is it better to buy an older model to start with or one of the newer ones? If cameras are like the rest of the technology race, it's usually prudent to get an older model... no?
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I've had digital cameras from Nikon, Kodak, Olympus, Fuji, Panasonic, and Canon.

My Canon has been the best by far. The Sureshot takes really nice pics and excellent videos.

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I'm a fan of Nikon DSLR cameras.

Strangely, I like Canon P&S cameras.

The only exception to this are the casio high speed cameras. They're pretty wicked. But, their only strong point is their trick shooting modes, the images themselves are nothing to really write home about.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 9:04:21 PM
Originally Posted By Karab:
I have never owned a camera that wasn't attached to a smartphone. I can't even call myself a noob photographer yet.

But I figure that now that I'm out in the real world making money, I need to start capturing the wondrous life around me.

I'm scared to jump full-in and get a DSLR because it would be quite an investment... especially if I don't use it as often as I claim I would.

So, what are some non DSLR cameras a beginner could try out? And why should I consider just dropping the dough on a DSLR (and which kinds)?

Thanks ahead of time, oh wise gurus.


IMO, I like taking pictures with my DSLR than my digital point and shoot.
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With a P&S camera, you're gonna be pretty limited. Many do have a plethora of settings to do different things, but most people just stick them on Auto mode and just shoot. I was like that for years. The major drawback of a P&S shooter is that you can't really change much about how it functions (you're basically stuck with the lens and glass built-in) and they go obsolete pretty quick. As an aside, if you did go with a P&S, the lithium rechargeable batteries will generally last a LOT longer than some AA batteries.

With a DSLR, you get a lot of versatility, and can buy components that will last you YEARS. They are generally more expensive, but are quite a bit more versatile. If you put money into good lenses, you can use them on new bodies should you ever want to upgrade from your old body. What with many nowadays being well above 15 megapixel, there's not too much reason to want to upgrade very often. I bought a Canon T2i earlier this year, which is already a couple generations old... but it is still a great camera and is capable of taking great shots. The lenses I have can be used should I decide to upgrade to the T4i next year sometime... or even when the next generation comes out. Heck, the T2i, T3i and T4i are all 18 megapixel sensors, so there's not much reason to go higher. The T4i uses a newer sensor with better focusing abilities, and does have some whiz-bang features that make it interesting. So should I ever want to upgrade, almost all of the accessories and lenses I have will work with it.

It is a big chunk to bite off. I paid $540 for my T2i earlier this year... then got a 70-300mm lens for about $160 (not a high end lens, but works well)... then I got a nice superzoom that cost $500, and just this week found a guy selling a wide angle that I had on my "to consider" list for $350. I'll want to pick up an external flash unit sometime... but all of those things I've bought since getting the camera itself will work with all the newer models in the line, and should work with ones that will come out for the next few years. Even then, if some things change, the lens mount is unlikely to change.

Anyway, you should read around and decide if you just want to point and shoot, or possibly get a little more artsy. If you do decide to go with an SLR type camera, there are tons of good ones out there, and many on the used market since some people like to upgrade. I would highly recommend picking up a copy of Understanding Exposure and giving it a read. It's a beautifully illustrated guide to the basics of photography that applies to any camera.
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Posted: 8/8/2012 11:38:40 PM
Fwiw you can get into the DSLR game with a moderate investment. You can get an older Nikon D70 and a kit lens for around $350 from KEH. One real advantage over a P&s camera is that it's easier to play with adjustments and get the photography experience. Tweaking adjustments lets you control the picture rather than the camera.
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:03:09 AM
If you want a compact that will allow you to shoot full auto AND dabble in learning how to use full manual, aperture priority, and shutter priority, go for the Canon S100. Last I heard it went for around $350, about $450 off it's original cost. I have two and love them
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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:41:50 AM
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
With a P&S camera, you're gonna be pretty limited. Many do have a plethora of settings to do different things, but most people just stick them on Auto mode and just shoot. I was like that for years. The major drawback of a P&S shooter is that you can't really change much about how it functions (you're basically stuck with the lens and glass built-in) and they go obsolete pretty quick. As an aside, if you did go with a P&S, the lithium rechargeable batteries will generally last a LOT longer than some AA batteries.

With a DSLR, you get a lot of versatility, and can buy components that will last you YEARS. They are generally more expensive, but are quite a bit more versatile. If you put money into good lenses, you can use them on new bodies should you ever want to upgrade from your old body. What with many nowadays being well above 15 megapixel, there's not too much reason to want to upgrade very often. I bought a Canon T2i earlier this year, which is already a couple generations old... but it is still a great camera and is capable of taking great shots. The lenses I have can be used should I decide to upgrade to the T4i next year sometime... or even when the next generation comes out. Heck, the T2i, T3i and T4i are all 18 megapixel sensors, so there's not much reason to go higher. The T4i uses a newer sensor with better focusing abilities, and does have some whiz-bang features that make it interesting. So should I ever want to upgrade, almost all of the accessories and lenses I have will work with it.

It is a big chunk to bite off. I paid $540 for my T2i earlier this year... then got a 70-300mm lens for about $160 (not a high end lens, but works well)... then I got a nice superzoom that cost $500, and just this week found a guy selling a wide angle that I had on my "to consider" list for $350. I'll want to pick up an external flash unit sometime... but all of those things I've bought since getting the camera itself will work with all the newer models in the line, and should work with ones that will come out for the next few years. Even then, if some things change, the lens mount is unlikely to change.

Anyway, you should read around and decide if you just want to point and shoot, or possibly get a little more artsy. If you do decide to go with an SLR type camera, there are tons of good ones out there, and many on the used market since some people like to upgrade. I would highly recommend picking up a copy of Understanding Exposure and giving it a read. It's a beautifully illustrated guide to the basics of photography that applies to any camera.


Very true...I was the same way up till last month.

I took a class on cave photography and one of the instructors has been involved in the development (no pun intended) of digital cameras from the beginning. He taught us that each of the different scene settings on P&S cameras will make changes (i.e. add a little more red, slow the shutter speed, etc.) and that once people play with and learn what each "scene" does it will allow them to really utilize the camera to its full extent.

Unfortunately, most people won't take the time to do it.

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Posted: 8/9/2012 8:43:51 AM
Originally Posted By hsvhobbit:
Fwiw you can get into the DSLR game with a moderate investment. You can get an older Nikon D70 and a kit lens for around $350 from KEH. One real advantage over a P&s camera is that it's easier to play with adjustments and get the photography experience. Tweaking adjustments lets you control the picture rather than the camera.


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KEH is awesomehttp://www.keh.com/




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Sorry. Keh.com is a company that specializes in used photo gear. They've got a pretty good rep for being upfront about the condition of their gear. Adorama.com and bhphoto.com likewise sell used gear and are well known in the photo world.