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Posted: 7/31/2012 2:36:52 AM
[Last Edit: 7/31/2012 2:37:40 AM by PolishX]
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT American Legion Baseball |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 3:49:16 AM
Noon games are the worst. I'm not sure what kind of stadium or access you have, but be sure to move around. Get behind the batter to get a nice shot of the pitcher. Get straight on from first to second if they allow steeling; get low and the slide back when they check the runner. Also be sure to watch the batters and the fielders and maybe predict.
The biggest thing on these is getting to field level, which will give you a unique view from what most people see in the stands:
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Posted: 7/31/2012 9:01:13 AM
it's basically a very tiny high school type field . I totally forgot to move around at all. the press box is behind home plate but I will try other ideas on friday when i go back . shooting with
nikon D200 and 80-200 2.8 so its an older set up |
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Posted: 7/31/2012 8:44:02 PM
I have never shot sports really because I don't own any BIG FAST GLASS and that seems to be a requirement for that game if your into sports photography. If it cant be shot with a 200mm f4.5 lens then I am out of luck, I am hoping at some point to find a used 300mm Nikkor (NOT AN f2/8) that I can stomach the price on but I am not holding my breath.
Nice photos by the way. |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 10:50:35 PM
[Last Edit: 8/2/2012 8:07:23 AM by JaxShooter]
The Penguin has some good advice. I'd often stand right behind the catcher (shooting through the fence). Then I'd move inside the fence to shoot down the base lines. Here are some of my favorites from a youth softball tournament. All were shot with a 300/2.8 many years ago. I also shot NCAA football and softball but I always preferred youth sports.
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Posted: 8/5/2012 12:28:54 AM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 12:30:43 AM by PolishX]
Nice to see I am not alone in my baseball struggles , I adjusted my settings and moved around some in my newest batch . Terrible fighting the rain and all that today
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:39:42 PM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 8:40:14 PM by PolishX]
Baseball part 2
There is part 2. Nasty overcast rainy day I was shocked they were able to play the game . |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:45:56 PM
[Last Edit: 8/5/2012 8:48:30 PM by JaxShooter]
Too many shots of the players' backs. When shooting from behind home focus on the pitcher. Move around to get the other bases. To get the batter/catcher move to between home and 1st. It seems like there are some focus issues also. Keep shooting!
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Posted: 8/5/2012 8:49:23 PM
I tried shooting with center balance , driving me nuts if i use matrix metering and anything is behind the pitcher or player it wants to track on the solid object and not the player .
I know its all a learning curve , 80-200 2.8 I dont have alot of length to work with tried to focus on pitcher in some but alot of blurs . |
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Posted: 8/5/2012 11:33:44 PM
Well, your metering mode shouldn't affect your focus. Admittedly I'm shooting with much older bodies and I'm not the least bit familiar with the massive 50+ AF sensors. I'd spend some time studying that area of the manual. I presume you're in continuous focus mode, though, if it's changing the subject on you. Might be worth ditching that for a while. Depending on your body it may be very easy to re-focus. On my D2H I can assign the thumb button to focus and keep my finger on the shutter. In cases where the subject is typically stationary (like a base position) with moments of motion it might be better to get good at manually reacquiring focus.
The 70-200 is a great lens but as you've discovered not great for much of sports photography where you have to be able to reach out to the subject. You might find it beneficial to invest in a quality 1.4x teleconverter. You'll lose a stop but bumping the ISO should help with that. I'm sure most if not all current cameras will also retain AF but you'll want to confirm with your particular gear. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 12:40:58 AM
I'm using a D200 if that helps . Any help I can get with settings can only help
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Posted: 8/6/2012 7:27:57 PM
[Last Edit: 8/6/2012 8:30:35 PM by Gamma762]
Originally Posted By PolishX:
I'm using a D200 if that helps . Any help I can get with settings can only help If possible I shoot with manual exposure, most metering just gets confused with sports stuff it seems in certain conditions. I tried all the different exposure modes and settled on matrix for best results with outdoor daytime sports, aperture priority. For indoor, nighttime outdoor lighting, or overcast it seems like I get better results from manual. Auto color can't adapt to discontinuous light sources like mercury vapor or fluorescent, preset/metered color balance helps a lot with that. One thing on AF is that only the center focus point has crossed sensors on the D200 IIRC, in tough conditions that point will give you better results than others. A really annoying characteristic is that there is a lot of room between the center sensor and any others which makes the dynamic and group dynamic sensor patterns a lot less useful. When shooting verticals I use the group dynamic setting frequently, with the pattern that picks the center AF point and the group on the top of the frame, but for baseball I generally don't have a lens long enough to take advantage of that. Baseball is by far my least favorite sport to shoot, although if I had the opportunity to shoot at an MLB game with the vantage points and lighting that they have I'd be a lot happier camper Monopod is really a must for baseball both for stability and just the fact that you're there for hours and need something to hold up the camera.
Never seems like I have enough shutter speed for sharpness or enough telephoto to get in close enough. That's 1/500 and cropped quite a bit and a bit mushy. Should have gone to higher ISO. Originally Posted By Penguin_101:
Get behind the batter to get a nice shot of the pitcher. Get straight on from first to second if they allow steeling; get low and the slide back when they check the runner. Also be sure to watch the batters and the fielders and maybe predict. All of that is good advice. I've been trying a lot of different angles of pitchers with the batter/catcher in the foreground, depending on what is available at the fields.
The biggest thing on these is getting to field level, which will give you a unique view from what most people see in the stands: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7088/6894964324_df61519991_z.jpg Helps if you're at an MLB ballpark with actual dugouts Originally Posted By JaxShooter:
youth softball tournament. I find softball to be tremendously easier to shoot than baseball. Field is smaller, action moves a little slower, and LOTS more action as far as hitting, fielding and baserunning. Originally Posted By PolishX:
Nice to see I am not alone in my baseball struggles , I adjusted my settings and moved around some in my newest batch . Terrible fighting the rain and all that today I love shooting in the rain, seems like I get some really cool photos when I shoot in the rain. Shot a football game last year in an utter downpour and got some neat stuff. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 8:14:03 PM
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
If possible I shoot with manual exposure, most metering just gets confused with sports stuff it seems in certain conditions. I tried all the different exposure modes and settled on matrix for best results with outdoor daytime sports, aperture priority. For indoor, nighttime outdoor lighting, or overcast it seems like I get better results from manual. Auto color can't adapt to discontinuous light sources like mercury vapor or fluorescent, preset/metered color balance helps a lot with that. I agree on manual exposure. I found this particularly crucial when shooting youth soccer where you may find yourself at 1/500 shooting into one goal and 1/2000 shooting into the other. Interesting about your exposure findings. I found I never used matrix and almost always used spot or center metering and shutter over aperture. I seldom shot indoors. If I did (basketball for example) I'd set my strobes (fired via PocketWizard) and pre-shoot a reference card for any post-processing color corrections. Then I'd try to limit my shots to be as close in vicinity to the reference shot as possible to minimize the lighting changes. Monopod is really a must for baseball both for stability and just the fact that you're there for hours and need something to hold up the camera. Indeed. I don't recall shooting much w/o a monopod. Crucial if you do have the luxury of shooting with big glass. I found it limiting with soccer, though. I like the framing in your pitcher shot. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 8:40:30 PM
[Last Edit: 8/7/2012 12:26:03 AM by Gamma762]
Originally Posted By JaxShooter:
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
If possible I shoot with manual exposure, most metering just gets confused with sports stuff it seems in certain conditions. I tried all the different exposure modes and settled on matrix for best results with outdoor daytime sports, aperture priority. For indoor, nighttime outdoor lighting, or overcast it seems like I get better results from manual. Auto color can't adapt to discontinuous light sources like mercury vapor or fluorescent, preset/metered color balance helps a lot with that. I agree on manual exposure. I found this particularly crucial when shooting youth soccer where you may find yourself at 1/500 shooting into one goal and 1/2000 shooting into the other. Interesting about your exposure findings. I found I never used matrix and almost always used spot or center metering and shutter over aperture. With a D200 it just seemed like I had exposures all over the place if I used spot or center. Generally when I'm shooting sports I want a shorter depth of field and need shutter speed anyway so just pick the (fast) aperture I want - if I see the shutter going places I don't want it to go I'll adjust the ISO, or aperture if needed. YMMV I guess. I seldom shot indoors. If I did (basketball for example) I'd set my strobes (fired via PocketWizard) and pre-shoot a reference card for any post-processing color corrections. Then I'd try to limit my shots to be as close in vicinity to the reference shot as possible to minimize the lighting changes. Never shot sports with a flash. Most indoor venues have just enough light to get by, although if I had a camera that could do 6400 ISO I'd be happier. Monopod is really a must for baseball both for stability and just the fact that you're there for hours and need something to hold up the camera. Indeed. I don't recall shooting much w/o a monopod. Crucial if you do have the luxury of shooting with big glass. I found it limiting with soccer, though. Don't shoot much soccer, but I did use a monopod when shooting from the side lines. Shooting from the end lines I went handheld. I like the framing in your pitcher shot. Thanks, I liked the way that one came out. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 11:51:17 PM
Here's a few of my shots from a HS baseball game.
D90 with kit 70-300
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Posted: 8/8/2012 12:52:29 AM
[Last Edit: 8/8/2012 12:52:52 AM by Gamma762]
Originally Posted By PolishX:
I'm using a D200 if that helps . Any help I can get with settings can only help Originally Posted By PolishX:
I tried shooting with center balance , driving me nuts if i use matrix metering and anything is behind the pitcher or player it wants to track on the solid object and not the player . I know its all a learning curve , 80-200 2.8 I dont have alot of length to work with tried to focus on pitcher in some but alot of blurs . On the focus tracking on a D200 (and other cameras I'm sure) there is a setting for "release time" (IIRC), which allows the focus point to go off the subject just for an instant and then back without losing focus on the subject. I run that at maximum (longest) time which seems to give me the best results. Only downside is if you are focused on a player, then change to a different player you need to release the shutter button then half press again, or you have to wait for that release time to pass before it will refocus. Although it's a small fraction of a second even at the longest delay. |
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