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Posted: 12/20/2016 10:24:53 AM EDT
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It's not that development takes a while, it's that they hyped each of the streams and then had to fall back to alternate demos. They should have set more attainable goals or not hyped specific features to be shown. Three live streams in three months is a very rapid pace, especially if they want to show new content at each. I think they need to make the holiday one informal, no presentations or new content, just various offices in a bracket match, CR playing pick-up games and handing out freebies to those that kill him, a few skits, etc. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The livestream was really bad before you even consider what they'd hinted we would see. I think the 2.6 PTU shows they've made some decent progress, there are still a number of bugs to fix and VOIP is very desperately needed for team combat to be fun in Star Marine, but overall, it's a good improvement. If only it weren't months behind schedule. Kharn I think I've figured out why EA keeps delivering shitty, half done games. Some people would rather that than wait a few months.  It's not that development takes a while, it's that they hyped each of the streams and then had to fall back to alternate demos. They should have set more attainable goals or not hyped specific features to be shown. Three live streams in three months is a very rapid pace, especially if they want to show new content at each. I think they need to make the holiday one informal, no presentations or new content, just various offices in a bracket match, CR playing pick-up games and handing out freebies to those that kill him, a few skits, etc. Kharn I agree with both of you. I dropped the money I did on this game because I didn't want a rushed product...because I believed in the vision of a game made great for the sake of making a great game, unrushed and built with the sheer love of creation. Unlike others, I think the shitty live streams are something of a good sign. It means they're to busy actually making the game to take the time to get the live stream properly organized. I know that's not necessarily what it means, but it could be, and I choose to be an optimist. Still, though, I agree with Kharn that a more informal, fun live stream would take less effort and be MUCH more enjoyable for everyone involved. No CR playing though...that's as painful to watch as anything, it's clear he doesn't play the game. Instead, it should be the ship designers, flying the ships they worked on. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 11:19:21 AM EDT
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I'm ok with the pace of development because I just went back to school full time and I won't have much free time for video games for a few years. Take your time CR, take your time.
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Posted: 12/21/2016 1:58:57 PM EDT
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I agree with both of you. I dropped the money I did on this game because I didn't want a rushed product...because I believed in the vision of a game made great for the sake of making a great game, unrushed and built with the sheer love of creation. Unlike others, I think the shitty live streams are something of a good sign. It means they're to busy actually making the game to take the time to get the live stream properly organized. I know that's not necessarily what it means, but it could be, and I choose to be an optimist. Still, though, I agree with Kharn that a more informal, fun live stream would take less effort and be MUCH more enjoyable for everyone involved. No CR playing though...that's as painful to watch as anything, it's clear he doesn't play the game. Instead, it should be the ship designers, flying the ships they worked on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The livestream was really bad before you even consider what they'd hinted we would see. I think the 2.6 PTU shows they've made some decent progress, there are still a number of bugs to fix and VOIP is very desperately needed for team combat to be fun in Star Marine, but overall, it's a good improvement. If only it weren't months behind schedule. Kharn I think I've figured out why EA keeps delivering shitty, half done games. Some people would rather that than wait a few months. It's not that development takes a while, it's that they hyped each of the streams and then had to fall back to alternate demos. They should have set more attainable goals or not hyped specific features to be shown. Three live streams in three months is a very rapid pace, especially if they want to show new content at each. I think they need to make the holiday one informal, no presentations or new content, just various offices in a bracket match, CR playing pick-up games and handing out freebies to those that kill him, a few skits, etc. Kharn I agree with both of you. I dropped the money I did on this game because I didn't want a rushed product...because I believed in the vision of a game made great for the sake of making a great game, unrushed and built with the sheer love of creation. Unlike others, I think the shitty live streams are something of a good sign. It means they're to busy actually making the game to take the time to get the live stream properly organized. I know that's not necessarily what it means, but it could be, and I choose to be an optimist. Still, though, I agree with Kharn that a more informal, fun live stream would take less effort and be MUCH more enjoyable for everyone involved. No CR playing though...that's as painful to watch as anything, it's clear he doesn't play the game. Instead, it should be the ship designers, flying the ships they worked on. One of the worst streams I saw was Ben and Sandi trying to play Arena Commander. Absolutely painful to watch. 
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Posted: 12/21/2016 5:20:50 PM EDT
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Is 2.6 worth checking out? I have an invite to the PTU.
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Posted: 12/21/2016 6:12:48 PM EDT
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From what I'm hearing they are trying to push it to live tomorrow or Friday. Mostly small bugs with no big blockers at this point.
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Posted: 12/21/2016 9:11:39 PM EDT
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Is 2.6 worth checking out? I have an invite to the PTU. Ship combat is coming together nicely. The last two PTU patches they've tweaked some things and it's feeling really nice though some think it still needs more balancing. Star Marine is great but a bit arcadey though I think star marine is intended to be. FPS combat in the PU will be more tactical. Visuals are through the roof. Really. As for the crusader, I briefly hit 80-90+ frames per second but slowly degraded back to the mid 30's. I'd say go for it but some are saying 2.6 is going to be pushed to PU friday so you may want to hold off till then. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 2:03:18 AM EDT
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Ship combat is coming together nicely. The last two PTU patches they've tweaked some things and it's feeling really nice though some think it still needs more balancing. Star Marine is great but a bit arcadey though I think star marine is intended to be. FPS combat in the PU will be more tactical. Visuals are through the roof. Really. As for the crusader, I briefly hit 80-90+ frames per second but slowly degraded back to the mid 30's. I'd say go for it but some are saying 2.6 is going to be pushed to PU friday so you may want to hold off till then. The advantage of going ahead now is you beat the download rush when it goes live for everyone. I forgot to check until now, but have the invite as well. I'll probably try to get it downloaded tomorrow. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 5:18:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2016 7:29:58 AM EDT
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The advantage of going ahead now is you beat the download rush when it goes live for everyone. I forgot to check until now, but have the invite as well. I'll probably try to get it downloaded tomorrow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ship combat is coming together nicely. The last two PTU patches they've tweaked some things and it's feeling really nice though some think it still needs more balancing. Star Marine is great but a bit arcadey though I think star marine is intended to be. FPS combat in the PU will be more tactical. Visuals are through the roof. Really. As for the crusader, I briefly hit 80-90+ frames per second but slowly degraded back to the mid 30's. I'd say go for it but some are saying 2.6 is going to be pushed to PU friday so you may want to hold off till then. The advantage of going ahead now is you beat the download rush when it goes live for everyone. I forgot to check until now, but have the invite as well. I'll probably try to get it downloaded tomorrow. With peer-to-peer, I don't think you'll see many problems with the server being unavailable. Kharn |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 4:04:20 PM EDT
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One of the worst streams I saw was Ben and Sandi trying to play Arena Commander. Absolutely painful to watch. I heard she called Ben creepy on one of the live streams. Ben is a terrible relations person. He's awkward on camera and looks awful. His T-Rex arms always distract me. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 5:35:34 PM EDT
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Say what you want about Ben he comes off as genuine. The other people they get to fill in sound wooden.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 8:17:06 PM EDT
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Say what you want about Ben he comes off as genuine. The other people they get to fill in sound wooden. Genuine weirdo 
I don't mind him, but he and his wife or girl or whatever she is, are pretty strange. They represent the typical basement dwellers well.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 8:32:54 PM EDT
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Genuine weirdo
I don't mind him, but he and his wife or girl or whatever she is, are pretty strange. They represent the typical basement dwellers well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Say what you want about Ben he comes off as genuine. The other people they get to fill in sound wooden. Genuine weirdo
I don't mind him, but he and his wife or girl or whatever she is, are pretty strange. They represent the typical basement dwellers well. Wife. I'll admit I gave Ben $25 towards his saving Wing Commander's animation cells effort, mainly because I want a shitty drawing of a Polaris to frame and hang next to the hardcopy brochure I got with mine. Kharn |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:28:30 PM EDT
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Say what you want about Ben he comes off as genuine. The other people they get to fill in sound wooden. Ben has his own following within the SC community. He is awkward for sure but in a wholesome kind of way. |
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Posted: 12/23/2016 10:40:00 AM EDT
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Ben has his own following within the SC community. He is awkward for sure but in a wholesome kind of way. He was a central figure in the WC community before SC was ever proposed, if I understand it correctly...that's his follower base. Awkward in a wholesome kind of way...good way of putting it. His awkwardness makes it near-impossible to imagine him engaging in any sort of duplicity, which I think is very important for this grand project. |
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Posted: 12/23/2016 3:45:56 PM EDT
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He was a central figure in the WC community before SC was ever proposed, if I understand it correctly...that's his follower base. Awkward in a wholesome kind of way...good way of putting it. His awkwardness makes it near-impossible to imagine him engaging in any sort of duplicity, which I think is very important for this grand project. Oh I know. I think I have an account on his wing commander forum (CIC?) and have posted there a few times many years ago. IIRC he also helped get the Star Citizen campaign off of the ground. I'm just saying he doesn't translate well top on screen for marketing, news, etc. |
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Posted: 12/23/2016 3:54:30 PM EDT
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Oh I know. I think I have an account on his wing commander forum (CIC?) and have posted there a few times many years ago. IIRC he also helped get the Star Citizen campaign off of the ground. I'm just saying he doesn't translate well top on screen for marketing, news, etc. Well, the counterpoint to him IS Sandi, and she is pretty easy on the eyes, and is usually well spoken. But yeah, I get what you're saying, and don't disagree. |
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Posted: 12/23/2016 5:03:04 PM EDT
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He was a central figure in the WC community before SC was ever proposed, if I understand it correctly...that's his follower base. Awkward in a wholesome kind of way...good way of putting it. His awkwardness makes it near-impossible to imagine him engaging in any sort of duplicity, which I think is very important for this grand project. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ben has his own following within the SC community. He is awkward for sure but in a wholesome kind of way. He was a central figure in the WC community before SC was ever proposed, if I understand it correctly...that's his follower base. Awkward in a wholesome kind of way...good way of putting it. His awkwardness makes it near-impossible to imagine him engaging in any sort of duplicity, which I think is very important for this grand project. I figure Ben is the canary in the coal mine, if he were to quit, you know the shit has really hit the fan. Kharn |
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Posted: 12/23/2016 5:04:08 PM EDT
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Well, the counterpoint to him IS Sandi, and she is pretty easy on the eyes, and is usually well spoken. But yeah, I get what you're saying, and don't disagree. While mostly attractive, I think she's wooden and comes across fake as shit. See fly off mentioned above. |
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Posted: 12/23/2016 9:12:30 PM EDT
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2.6 is live
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Posted: 12/24/2016 3:46:03 AM EDT
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2.6 is live 
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Posted: 12/24/2016 4:51:57 AM EDT
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Haven't even been able to check out my Caterpillar in the PU yet because jerk offs keep stealing it.  oh god, I didn't even think about that.
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Posted: 12/24/2016 9:06:17 AM EDT
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Haven't even been able to check out my Caterpillar in the PU yet because jerk offs keep stealing it. oh god, I didn't even think about that.They really need to get item 2.0 working |
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Posted: 12/24/2016 7:28:43 PM EDT
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So before someone comes in talking about the game engine change (they went from Cryengine to Amazon Lumberyard) I want to point something out. Lumberyard is a tweaked Cryengine 3.8 with scaleform removed and a gutted/rebuilt netcode using Amazon's cloud system.
All it is. Also, I wish my shitty connection would let me record quality video. I stole a Caterpillar earlier, got stuck in the pilot seat, figured fuck it and set the self destruct, and ended up somehow standing in the hallway. So I tried to make a mad dash for a cargo door. Just got it open in time for the ship to explode. It shot my guy out the cargo door and face first into the asteroid I was next to in Yela.
Almost as good as my Avenger coming apart in Q drive. So my guy was just shooting forward by himself in a sitting position till I hit the play boundary. |
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Posted: 12/24/2016 8:30:46 PM EDT
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I don't mind him, but he and his wife or girl or whatever she is, are pretty strange. They represent the typical basement dwellers well. Oddly enough, I ran into Ben discussing another topic on reddit and got to chatting with him. Dude's had a pretty rough life, including his initial weight gain due to being stuck in a laying face down position in excruciating screaming pain for very long periods of time and becoming horribly depressed from it. I was talking to him about my own putting on about 45 pounds or so over the course of a couple years when I had a really bad time due to multiple deaths of close friends and in a very short period of time, then working it back off and getting back in shape, and he opened up about his experiences. All I have to say is people have shot themselves over a lot less over a lot shorter period of time, and I wouldn't even blame them... I'll give the guy some leeway. In fact, I'll give him all the leeway. |
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Posted: 12/25/2016 9:58:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/25/2016 12:03:00 PM EDT
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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15658-MISC-Razor-Q-A ETA: Another racer  They really mailed it in with that one. A stylized F1 car with no wheels? It even has a rear spoiler! Blah. |
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Posted: 12/25/2016 12:06:11 PM EDT
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https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15658-MISC-Razor-Q-A ETA: Another racer My wallet appreciates their choice.
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Posted: 12/25/2016 10:41:07 PM EDT
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I'm enjoying 2.6 and the new flight mechanics.
The Vanguard is pretty good again. It can really take a beating. Can't wait until I can have someone manning the turret too (with the turret mechanics working better). The Cutlass seems very durable, as well. Looking forward to the rework. I just beat Pirate Swarm and earned my Pirate Caterpillar skin.  I had to win by flying around asteroids in wave 18 until there were only a couple of enemies left  Definitely more challenging.
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Posted: 12/25/2016 10:46:22 PM EDT
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Btw, if anyone can figure out what the new keybind to manipulate the HUD/MFD's is, I'd appreciate it. I poked damn near every button and never got that to pop up. Free look is Z but that doesn't let you use the cursor on the displays to turn stuff off and on, like missile racks.
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Posted: 12/26/2016 4:13:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/26/2016 1:11:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat does this mean for those of us that don't speak game designer lingo? |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 1:47:38 PM EDT
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Btw, if anyone can figure out what the new keybind to manipulate the HUD/MFD's is, I'd appreciate it. I poked damn near every button and never got that to pop up. Free look is Z but that doesn't let you use the cursor on the displays to turn stuff off and on, like missile racks. tI looked into it myself last night and It's apparently broken at the moment. |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 1:49:36 PM EDT
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What does this mean for those of us that don't speak game designer lingo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What does this mean for those of us that don't speak game designer lingo? Not much really. |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 4:19:25 PM EDT
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What does this mean for those of us that don't speak game designer lingo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What does this mean for those of us that don't speak game designer lingo? Their netcode might've just gone from shite to decent. Kharn |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 4:59:17 PM EDT
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Their netcode might've just gone from shite to decent. Kharn And the backend might have gotten more streamlined because Lumberyard had cut out a lot of built in Cryengine services that aren't really used anymore. |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 9:58:14 PM EDT
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Got through Vanduul Swarm tonight. Had to use a Sabre; I couldn't make it with the Vanguard. The class 3 shotgun plasma cannons were great because the Vanduul are pretty weak.
Still ~750 Glaives left. No LTI, though, only 48 month insurance. |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 10:59:28 PM EDT
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Got through Vanduul Swarm tonight. Had to use a Sabre; I couldn't make it with the Vanguard. The class 3 shotgun plasma cannons were great because the Vanduul are pretty weak. Still ~750 Glaives left. No LTI, though, only 48 month insurance. 48 months of playing time, correct? |
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Posted: 12/26/2016 11:04:57 PM EDT
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So, Ben has now declared that universe is no prob, but figuring out cross chassis downgrades is too hard? Did I get that right?
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Posted: 12/27/2016 12:21:18 AM EDT
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I would say that the real reason is that it would discourage people spending ever increasing amounts for ships.
I'm not terribly upset about it. I usually spend a lot of time weighing getting each ship beforehand. |
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Posted: 12/27/2016 12:22:11 AM EDT
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48 months of playing time, correct? AFAIK, yes that is the case. |
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Posted: 12/27/2016 2:37:21 AM EDT
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I would say that the real reason is that it would discourage people spending ever increasing amounts for ships.
I'm not terribly upset about it. I usually spend a lot of time weighing getting each ship beforehand. Yeah, problem is, the one ship I'm most concerned about is my 'lancer with the physical item pack. Can't get those anymore, and since the 'lancer is going to be my primary ride, it kind of sucks. I've got about everything in the fleet handled with LTI but my primary? Figures. The thing about the ever increasing amount scenario is that I wouldn't expect CCD to net anything but credits, which are locked into being applied to more ships. How do they lose that way? All they'll accomplish is to piss off people they don't really need to piss off, and why do it if you don't need to? ETA: The 'lancer was a gift. |
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Posted: 12/27/2016 8:51:09 PM EDT
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48 months of playing time, correct? AFAIK, yes that is the case. I believe that is the most popular interpretation. I'm honestly not sure...All of my other ships have LTI, so I never bothered to find out how it works.
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Posted: 12/28/2016 10:06:36 PM EDT
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Yeah, problem is, the one ship I'm most concerned about is my 'lancer with the physical item pack. Can't get those anymore, and since the 'lancer is going to be my primary ride, it kind of sucks. I've got about everything in the fleet handled with LTI but my primary? Figures. The thing about the ever increasing amount scenario is that I wouldn't expect CCD to net anything but credits, which are locked into being applied to more ships. How do they lose that way? All they'll accomplish is to piss off people they don't really need to piss off, and why do it if you don't need to? ETA: The 'lancer was a gift. Edit: Other than principle of course. The too hard statement to me basically says "we're not going to implement downgrades, so stop asking". I know with my fleet I think the first few days of release I'll be swapping hardware and customizing load outs, so I don't mind hanging on to non LTI ships to sell in game for UEC. |
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Posted: 12/28/2016 10:40:44 PM EDT
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I picked up a Glaive to try out. It's pretty underwhelming for a $350 ship - it's clearly inferior to a Sabre or Super Hornet. It'll take a lot of buffs to make it worthwhile.
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Posted: 1/8/2017 2:52:28 PM EDT
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Finally got around to watching the Star Marine promo vid. Not bad, except it should have ended with the last man getting splattered across a ships windshield.
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Posted: 1/8/2017 8:51:34 PM EDT
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I picked up a Glaive to try out. It's pretty underwhelming for a $350 ship - it's clearly inferior to a Sabre or Super Hornet. It'll take a lot of buffs to make it worthwhile. Kharn |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 4:42:40 PM EDT
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Finally put my Hybrid drive in and decided to download 2.6. Looks like, by the time it's finished, it'll BE 2947. Anybody else having issues?
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Posted: 1/9/2017 6:36:59 PM EDT
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Finally put my Hybrid drive in and decided to download 2.6. Looks like, by the time it's finished, it'll BE 2947. Anybody else having issues? Even on full speed and p2p a couple days ago my wife's pc was only getting around 1.5Mb |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 6:52:39 PM EDT
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Even on full speed and p2p a couple days ago my wife's pc was only getting around 1.5Mb HA! I've got a guaranteed DL speed. Left the DL going when I went to bed, 9 hours later, I checked on it, my DL speed was wandering around 0.2-0.5kb. Estimated time to complete was in the neighborhood of 20,000 days and change. |
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