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Posted: 6/25/2017 10:03:01 PM EDT
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YES! The whole "normal for who?" thing is exactly what I am thinking. @36 years old I would think it would be alot higher. Im not in a situation financially to afford TRT right now, just a quick google showed 250-500$ per month add that to the rest of the monitoring etc. Ive got 3 girls, one just diagnosed with autism and will probably have some special needs going forward, different therapy's and such. Maybe in the meantime if I can figure out a few "tricks" to scrap together 10 points here and 20 there maybe I can at least get out of this funk, maybe... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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150-175mg/week of Testosterone Enanthate split into 2 injections administered sub q with a slin pin. (Right in the pinch of fat on either side of my abdomen) Had a few Dr's tell me that my levels were in the "normal" range. Yeah, "normal" for a 75y/o man. (35 at the time) I did my homework. I read and read. Pubmed journals, Life Extention journals, all sorts of things pertaining to Testosterone. One of the things that stood out was having LOW Testosterone had scores of negative health impacts. I might as well feel good and ALIVE and boost it. As for the thickening of the blood, I've never had any issues with that. I get BW done every 8weeks. A friend of mine in a similar situation has to donate blood every few months to deal with that. It's all very individual. I hope you find some help bud. It was the right choice for me. Im not in a situation financially to afford TRT right now, just a quick google showed 250-500$ per month add that to the rest of the monitoring etc. Ive got 3 girls, one just diagnosed with autism and will probably have some special needs going forward, different therapy's and such. Maybe in the meantime if I can figure out a few "tricks" to scrap together 10 points here and 20 there maybe I can at least get out of this funk, maybe... My levels were 260 ish when I started, now I'm at 780 and feel 1000% better! been on it for about 3 years now. Make sure to get your free testosterone checked as well. it should be between 9 -21 nd/dl on the scale I think. Mine is at 19. ETA: I turned 49 years old last Dec. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 11:32:43 PM EDT
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I will add that my Vit D levels were very low and i started on like 50,000iu/week plus a dailly 1,000iu.
That did bump my test levels up a bit (maybe ~75ng/dl). Did you check your Vit D? As with all meds, there are sides and risks. With your medical issues, i would hope that you could find a good doctor willing to work with you and monitor it all together. You can certainly do it yourself with routine bloodwork and testing, but its not for everyone to take that ammount of charge when it comes to your own healthcare. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 1:48:04 AM EDT
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If it wasn't for your heart condition I'd PM you everything you need to do it yourself.
You don't need a doc for this stuff. I know more about it than 99% of the docs out there. With your heart I don't have an answer for you. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 1:49:51 AM EDT
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I've been as high as 3k, so I know...good times...  |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 3:17:02 AM EDT
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If it wasn't for your heart condition I'd PM you everything you need to do it yourself. You don't need a doc for this stuff. I know more about it than 99% of the docs out there. With your heart I don't have an answer for you. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 11:34:02 AM EDT
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lol and that's with stuff you got at GNC right?
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Posted: 6/26/2017 1:02:09 PM EDT
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I will add that my Vit D levels were very low and i started on like 50,000iu/week plus a dailly 1,000iu. That did bump my test levels up a bit (maybe ~75ng/dl). Did you check your Vit D? As with all meds, there are sides and risks. With your medical issues, i would hope that you could find a good doctor willing to work with you and monitor it all together. You can certainly do it yourself with routine bloodwork and testing, but its not for everyone to take that ammount of charge when it comes to your own healthcare. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 1:03:24 PM EDT
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I, too, know more about how to manage it than 99% of docs out there. I just need someone to write my script for test cyp. A doc that will do so based on my symptoms and not numbers from a blood test/some holistic "feels" bs. "sorry, says you are normal." I guess worse case scenario I could figure out a way to drop it 100 points and have it retaken.
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Posted: 6/26/2017 1:04:15 PM EDT
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If it wasn't for your heart condition I'd PM you everything you need to do it yourself. You don't need a doc for this stuff. I know more about it than 99% of the docs out there. With your heart I don't have an answer for you. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 1:26:02 PM EDT
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Ive got a feeling that is the issue, everyone goes by what the computer/book says is "normal." "sorry, says you are normal." I guess worse case scenario I could figure out a way to drop it 100 points and have it retaken.
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Posted: 6/26/2017 1:30:12 PM EDT
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Do you like staying up all night drinking hoppy beer the night before a blood draw?
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Posted: 6/26/2017 2:30:17 PM EDT
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My numbers were at that borderline "normal" level. So my endocrinologist and I had basically came to the conclusion of treatment and he said basically "insurance may or may not cover the meds with these numbers because they are technically normal. so lets do another blood draw to see if the numbers come in lower. good sleep and abstaining from alcohol can increase your day to day test numbers.
 " I forget the specific numbers off the top of my head, but i definitely came in lower.
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Posted: 6/26/2017 2:43:17 PM EDT
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My numbers were at that borderline "normal" level. So my endocrinologist and I had basically came to the conclusion of treatment and he said basically "insurance may or may not cover the meds with these numbers because they are technically normal. so lets do another blood draw to see if the numbers come in lower. good sleep and abstaining from alcohol can increase your day to day test numbers. " I forget the specific numbers off the top of my head, but i definitely came in lower.
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Posted: 6/26/2017 3:17:15 PM EDT
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i never drink alcohol but my kids have made me question that decision greatly. That is actually when I ended up getting serious about getting back into the gym. I probably made the better choice. hahaha
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Posted: 6/26/2017 3:26:28 PM EDT
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After my daughter was born I was juggling working full time from home and watching her until she was ~9 or 10 months old. There were more than a few times where I contemplated really getting serious about drinking. That is actually when I ended up getting serious about getting back into the gym. I probably made the better choice. hahaha
I find myself saying "you have 3 daughters you better be in SOME kind of shape..."
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Posted: 6/26/2017 5:39:44 PM EDT
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Okay, talked with my sister today. She wants to do more bloodwork has some other things she wants to see as well as free T.
Was in agreement that 250 ish is low for trying to get gainz. But wants to see "free/usable" amount for bigger picture/gameplan. She said shots can makes your T go high then low, then high, then low. Not sure how true that is, i guess it cluld be. Mentioned patches and I guess a lotion as more consistent option. I don't think she can prescribe any of it but we can get numbers and get with someone who can. So more bloodwork coming soon, stay tuned. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 5:50:57 PM EDT
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Okay, talked with my sister today. She wants to do more bloodwork has some other things she wants to see as well as free T. Was in agreement that 250 ish is low for trying to get gainz. But wants to see "free/usable" amount for bigger picture/gameplan. She said shots can makes your T go high then low, then high, then low. Not sure how true that is, i guess it cluld be. Mentioned patches and I guess a lotion as more consistent option. I don't think she can prescribe any of it but we can get numbers and get with someone who can. So more bloodwork coming soon, stay tuned. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 6:00:14 PM EDT
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If you inject t every 2 weeks it will do that. I do every 3 days. So I am always high. Ill burn the injection vs patch vs lotion bridge when I get to it. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 6:16:19 PM EDT
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good to know. Ill burn the injection vs patch vs lotion bridge when I get to it. You want injections twice a week. You'll be nice and stable and feel awesome. Like everyone else, no clue if this effects your heart however. But still, patches, lotions and pills are a no-go, too many side effects, not enough real effects and simply a bad idea. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 6:26:07 PM EDT
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Nope, burn it now. You want injections twice a week. You'll be nice and stable and feel awesome. Like everyone else, no clue if this effects your heart however. But still, patches, lotions and pills are a no-go, too many side effects, not enough real effects and simply a bad idea. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 8:02:58 PM EDT
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One reason I didn't even try lotions/gel at first like most docs try to get you to do is that I have a young daughter who I am always in contact with. You don't want them to be exposed to the T. So shots were a better plan for me/my family.
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Posted: 6/26/2017 8:05:38 PM EDT
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One reason I didn't even try lotions/gel at first like most docs try to get you to do is that I have a young daughter who I am always in contact with. You don't want them to be exposed to the T. So shots were a better plan for me/my family. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 8:12:05 PM EDT
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One reason I didn't even try lotions/gel at first like most docs try to get you to do is that I have a young daughter who I am always in contact with. You don't want them to be exposed to the T. So shots were a better plan for me/my family. |
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Posted: 6/26/2017 8:12:58 PM EDT
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They wanted to give me feel too. I sad he'll no. I even waited a year to get on shots because of dumb ass Dr. who would only give me gel. 1 thing at a time. 
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Posted: 6/27/2017 5:25:15 PM EDT
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Good advice so far.
Test Cyp has an 8 day half life, but it falls off after that day 3/4, so splitting the weekly dose into 2 shots is how you keep stable blood levels. Definitely kids and gel excuse. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 9:36:07 AM EDT
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Had my blood drawn this morning. We'll see.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 10:14:18 AM EDT
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Had my blood drawn this morning. We'll see. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 10:22:57 AM EDT
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Had my blood drawn this morning. We'll see.  With my luck my T levels will be in the range. I'm also having them check E2.
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:40:37 AM EDT
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Ha. I just want to get back to where I was. With my luck my T levels will be in the range. I'm also having them check E2. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 11:45:02 AM EDT
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Had my blood drawn this morning. We'll see. guy I work with here, he is pretty big dude, lifts hard. he got tested last year, his results came in in the low 200's I think. he has been on the T since then, he thanks me every day for practically making him go get tested. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 3:55:05 PM EDT
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Had my blood drawn this morning. We'll see. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 6:03:04 PM EDT
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still waiting on total T results but blood drawn today and some bad stuff overall:
Vit D - 25.88 ng/mL Triglycerides- 98 HDL - 50 Cholesterol- 274 mg/dL Calculated LDL- 204 mg/dL so my cholesterol and vit D is fubar. it also looks like I am dehydrated as well. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 9:29:45 PM EDT
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still waiting on total T results but blood drawn today and some bad stuff overall: Vit D - 25.88 ng/mL Triglycerides- 98 HDL - 50 Cholesterol- 274 mg/dL Calculated LDL- 204 mg/dL so my cholesterol and vit D is fubar. it also looks like I am dehydrated as well. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 9:40:47 PM EDT
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Did you get it checked fasting? |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 9:43:57 PM EDT
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yes, was drawn around 815am |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 9:57:09 PM EDT
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I ate like shit for a few weeks and mine was fucked. Back on keto now should get better. Thinking of just doing a cut/keto and let things calm down for a bit. |
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Posted: 6/28/2017 10:15:45 PM EDT
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I wouldn't be able to find a doc. 1 this is middle of nowhere ky 2 docs won't deal with me due to previous heart stuff, always want to send me to specialist. However, I have a relative (who wrote this current bloodwork order) that might write the script for that and keep up with it. They are not in that field of work though really. Their site seems more around ED issues, but they do list T therapy and may be more up on current treatments than a GP. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 9:47:30 AM EDT
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mine was crap last time I got it checked and now its gotten worse. Thinking of just doing a cut/keto and let things calm down for a bit. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:21:37 PM EDT
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Testosterone, Free 9.7Normal Range: 8.7-55
Testosterone, Total 241Normal Range: 280-1000 Seems like my free is 1 point over normal and my Total was actually lower than before. This was 8:15am. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 2:51:13 PM EDT
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You've done the easy part. (getting bloods) The hard part is finding a doctor who's not a complete fucktard. Study, study, study. No one including doctors care about your health so it's up to you to guide your doctor in the direction you want to go. Some will start you with clomid(pill) and it may or may not work. If it works, it's temporary and you will see no real benefit and it will slowly taper off to nothing. Test-cyp(injections) is what you seek. Get yourself into the 800 range and keep estrogen under control. Split the weekly dose your doctor will probably tell you to do into two doses with insulin needle in a fatty part of your body. (belly/ass/thigh) Keep an eye on liver values, psa, sleep apnea, and lipids. Yes test can cause heart issues ONLY IF YOU HAVE PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS but they will not kill you unless you go unchecked and abuse the drug. Even if you do abuse it to the point of steroid abuse, it won't kill you but will make you a walking hormonal basket case if you don't know what your doing. Fuck that noise because I got a taste of what it is like to live in the 700 to 800 range. :D There is no way in hell I would willingly go back to my old way of living unless it was medically necessary. Barring a medical issue, my internal medicine doctor can take his big bad boogeyman scare tactics of quoting an outdated studies linking TRT to health problems and shove them up his ass. Damn beta male doctors... |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 3:56:39 PM EDT
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Sadly, it is hard to find a doctor that is not a fucktard with regards to TRT. I have no history of any of the problems that TRT complicates and my internal medicine doctor recommended that I learn to live with my testosterone levels in the 300 range. He even stated that he would prescribe Prozac or some other antidepressant for me instead. Fuck that noise because I got a taste of what it is like to live in the 700 to 800 range. :D There is no way in hell I would willingly go back to my old way of living unless it was medically necessary. Barring a medical issue, my internal medicine doctor can take his big bad boogeyman scare tactics of quoting an outdated studies linking TRT to health problems and shove them up his ass. Damn beta male doctors... |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 4:54:08 PM EDT
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he'd rather prescribe an anti-depressant than put you on TRT? wow, what a moran. Oh, I know for a fact that I am different from the abusers because, those cats take what I take weekly every other day. That's assuming they even use Testosterone since there are better steroids for building muscle.
Regardless, I have WAY more energy, I no longer feel the need to sleep 14 hours a day and 16+ hours on the weekends, my mental clarity is as sharp as it has ever been, and my wife likes the libido impact. Plus, the strength gains have been off the chart in such a short period of time whereas before, I felt like I was spinning my wheels for months in the gym. In fact, I am about to celebrate 2 years of weight lifting on July 04, 2017.
Conversely, my internal medicine doctor would rather see me on antidepressants, Viagra, and a stimulant of some kind. I wonder which pharmacy rep has him in their pockets? Since the Beta Male mentioned money, I can't help but wonder which master is on the other side of his puppet strings... |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 6:31:49 PM EDT
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Testosterone, Free 9.7Normal Range: 8.7-55 Testosterone, Total 241Normal Range: 280-1000 Seems like my free is 1 point over normal and my Total was actually lower than before. This was 8:15am. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 7:42:53 PM EDT
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Testosterone, Free 9.7Normal Range: 8.7-55 Testosterone, Total 241Normal Range: 280-1000 Seems like my free is 1 point over normal and my Total was actually lower than before. This was 8:15am. FWIW I was down to total test of 78 at the time my prolactinoma was diagnosed. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 8:39:27 PM EDT
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Also my theory is this. Everyone has an experation date. Say you're pre destined to live to be 78 without testosterone but you're living life like a dying slug in slow motion. You take the testosterone injections and it shaves say 5 years of your life off(it won't but doctors will tell you it will) but instead of living life tired and feeling like life is kicking you in the balls, you're living life fucking the wife like a savage, lifting heavy shit in the gym, and have energy to spare..... WHICH OPTION DO YOU CHOOSE?  Attached FileTC |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 9:05:47 PM EDT
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Indeed. FWIW I was down to total test of 78 at the time my prolactinoma was diagnosed. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 9:34:40 PM EDT
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wife insists I should not to T shots. She thinks I will die by either prostate cancer or blood clot.
Of course to her this is all stupid and dumb and not worth the risk. I feel like it would be a great QoL change. |
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Posted: 6/29/2017 10:04:03 PM EDT
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wife insists I should not to T shots. She thinks I will die by either prostate cancer or blood clot. Of course to her this is all stupid and dumb and not worth the risk. I feel like it would be a great QoL change. |
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Posted: 6/30/2017 10:56:17 AM EDT
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Everyone man will die of prostate cancer with a long enough time line. The thick blood is easy to manage. You just go give blood. I gave too much last time. Still don't feel 100%. That double red donation is a mofo. She thinks the whole thing is dumb. "you dont NEED..." "Too many risks..." I told her, when her thyroid levels were crap and she got labs run, biopsy's done, medication to get her levels right that was all fine. But when its me its I get "you dont NEED that." 
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Posted: 6/30/2017 11:25:22 AM EDT
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My T levels came back at 632.
E level at 33.6. A little high there, but I guess w/in range. |
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