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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:38:07 PM EDT
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Had my Testosterone checked, just for fun. I understand there are two things you can have checked, I got "Total" testosterone score of 225.78 I think the other is usable/available testosterone, right? According to this ages 22-49 should be between 123 and 813. Seems like I am on the lower end of that @ 225.78. Good or bad? Bad. What time of the day did you go and have you been sleeping well before the test? Of course my brother got his checked hungover on no sleep. And still got a 900 out of 1000. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:41:11 PM EDT
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Bad. What time of the day did you go and have you been sleeping well before the test? Of course my brother got his checked hungover on no sleep. And still got a 900 out of 1000. It was just after noon when I got blood drawn. I cant remember how sleep was the night before. It was probably an okay nights rest. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:46:42 PM EDT
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Not great. I would be unhappy with that.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:49:21 PM EDT
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Not great. I would be unhappy with that. 
Its very strange as my sex drive is not diminished in the least bit. So I would never suspect it to be low. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 5:58:42 PM EDT
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Yeah, Im not.
Its very strange as my sex drive is not diminished in the least bit. So I would never suspect it to be low. 
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:01:08 PM EDT
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I'm no expert on it, but it's a complicated thing. It's not THAT low, so maybe it's not going to be effected. Just think what it would be at 800-1000? Im just thinking, lifting heavy 4 days a week for a year or two now and im 100 -ish points over the minimum, that cant be ideal for any kind of gains. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:09:07 PM EDT
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for real lol Im just thinking, lifting heavy 4 days a week for a year or two now and im 100 -ish points over the minimum, that cant be ideal for any kind of gains.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:09:17 PM EDT
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I'm no expert on it, but it's a complicated thing. It's not THAT low, so maybe it's not going to be effected. Just think what it would be at 800-1000?
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:10:36 PM EDT
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frick. It was just after noon when I got blood drawn. I cant remember how sleep was the night before. It was probably an okay nights rest. A couple of years ago, I had it done in the afternoon, and had eaten just prior. Total T came back about 225. Last month, I had it done again, this time before eating breakfast, and Total T was 295. So, not much change. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:11:13 PM EDT
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okay, so seriously, next step, find a supplement and roll with it?
I would imagine if this is my Total, that my usable/available is even lower, right? |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:13:47 PM EDT
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My endocrinologist said to have the blood draw done early in the morning, and before eating. It didn't make a great difference for me, though. A couple of years ago, I had it done in the afternoon, and had eaten just prior. Total T came back about 225. Last month, I had it done again, this time before eating breakfast, and Total T was 295. So, not much change. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:15:56 PM EDT
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Well I ate about 1 cup of granola and some juice we drove an hour, had it drawn. The only supplement that works to bring it up a bunch is TRT. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:21:07 PM EDT
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ok so now my wife is trying to convince me that I will have a heart attack/stroke if I take any T supplement since I have a heart history.
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:52:28 PM EDT
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ok so now my wife is trying to convince me that I will have a heart attack/stroke if I take any T supplement since I have a heart history. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 7:11:30 PM EDT
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Mine was down around that number and i felt like crap.
No drive, no ambition, tired all the time, falling asleep on the couch, overall lousy. 150-175mg/wk of test and BOOM! Back in the saddle. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 7:15:30 PM EDT
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Mine was down around that number and i felt like crap. No drive, no ambition, tired all the time, falling asleep on the couch, overall lousy. 150-175mg/wk of test and BOOM! Back in the saddle. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 8:44:10 PM EDT
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You've done the easy part. (getting bloods)
The hard part is finding a doctor who's not a complete fucktard. Study, study, study. No one including doctors care about your health so it's up to you to guide your doctor in the direction you want to go. Some will start you with clomid(pill) and it may or may not work. If it works, it's temporary and you will see no real benefit and it will slowly taper off to nothing. Test-cyp(injections) is what you seek. Get yourself into the 800 range and keep estrogen under control. Split the weekly dose your doctor will probably tell you to do into two doses with insulin needle in a fatty part of your body. (belly/ass/thigh) Keep an eye on liver values, psa, sleep apnea, and lipids. Yes test can cause heart issues ONLY IF YOU HAVE PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS but they will not kill you unless you go unchecked and abuse the drug. Even if you do abuse it to the point of steroid abuse, it won't kill you but will make you a walking hormonal basket case if you don't know what your doing. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 8:50:25 PM EDT
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Also my theory is this.
Everyone has an experation date. Say you're pre destined to live to be 78 without testosterone but you're living life like a dying slug in slow motion. You take the testosterone injections and it shaves say 5 years of your life off(it won't but doctors will tell you it will) but instead of living life tired and feeling like life is kicking you in the balls, you're living life fucking the wife like a savage, lifting heavy shit in the gym, and have energy to spare..... WHICH OPTION DO YOU CHOOSE? |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 8:51:40 PM EDT
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Yeah, Im not.
Its very strange as my sex drive is not diminished in the least bit. So I would never suspect it to be low. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not great. I would be unhappy with that.
Its very strange as my sex drive is not diminished in the least bit. So I would never suspect it to be low.  ) after starting T.
My main symptoms were debilitating fatigue in the evenings, night sweats, and insomnia. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 8:53:37 PM EDT
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There are some days I cannot stay awake. what did you take specifically? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine was down around that number and i felt like crap. No drive, no ambition, tired all the time, falling asleep on the couch, overall lousy. 150-175mg/wk of test and BOOM! Back in the saddle. Good luck finding a doc that understands modern treatment protocols. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 8:53:43 PM EDT
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There are some days I cannot stay awake. what did you take specifically? |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:01:04 PM EDT
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You've done the easy part. (getting bloods) The hard part is finding a doctor who's not a complete fucktard. Study, study, study. No one including doctors care about your health so it's up to you to guide your doctor in the direction you want to go. Some will start you with clomid(pill) and it may or may not work. If it works, it's temporary and you will see no real benefit and it will slowly taper off to nothing. Test-cyp(injections) is what you seek. Get yourself into the 800 range and keep estrogen under control. Split the weekly dose your doctor will probably tell you to do into two doses with insulin needle in a fatty part of your body. (belly/ass/thigh) Keep an eye on liver values, psa, sleep apnea, and lipids. Yes test can cause heart issues ONLY IF YOU HAVE PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS but they will not kill you unless you go unchecked and abuse the drug. Even if you do abuse it to the point of steroid abuse, it won't kill you but will make you a walking hormonal basket case if you don't know what your doing. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:11:53 PM EDT
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I had a total <200 and had zero issues with libido or ED. Now, my libido did increase to unsafe levels (according to my wife ) after starting T.
My main symptoms were debilitating fatigue in the evenings, night sweats, and insomnia. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:12:51 PM EDT
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I have major pre existing heart stuff. Currently have a valve replacement and alot of reconstruction to fix a defect I was born with. Currently take an aspirin a day to keep blood thin for that valve. I would tread very carefully if you choose this route. You're going to have to do some research on your own with this and then try to find a doctor who sees eye to eye and monitors you very closely. At this point with your hear issues, some life is better than no life. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:15:58 PM EDT
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Testosterone cypionate. Get a script. And monitor your E and bring down with anastrozole if required. Good luck finding a doc that understands modern treatment protocols. 1 this is middle of nowhere ky 2 docs won't deal with me due to previous heart stuff, always want to send me to specialist. However, I have a relative (who wrote this current bloodwork order) that might write the script for that and keep up with it. They are not in that field of work though really. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:17:57 PM EDT
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Testosterone thickens the blood. I personally donate every 2 months. Not because my blood gets deadly thick but enough that I get pressure in my head. I would tread very carefully if you choose this route. You're going to have to do some research on your own with this and then try to find a doctor who sees eye to eye and monitors you very closely. At this point with your hear issues, some life is better than no life. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:32:43 PM EDT
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I wouldn't be able to find a doc. 1 this is middle of nowhere ky 2 docs won't deal with me due to previous heart stuff, always want to send me to specialist. However, I have a relative (who wrote this current bloodwork order) that might write the script for that and keep up with it. They are not in that field of work though really. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:40:09 PM EDT
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I would be extra careful because of you heart condition. Maybe I can find some natural ways or something to help a little. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 9:47:41 PM EDT
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Battery dieing on phone,
Does High cholesterol drive down t levels? Mine was almost need medication high last time it was checked. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 11:28:24 PM EDT
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To get a good TRT doc you will need to pay cash and go to a private clinic. You will need to search around to find a doctor that is comfortable managing your test levels with your heart condition.
Your about to learn first hand how the war on drugs has trashed legitimate medicine. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 12:20:23 AM EDT
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Just think what it is at 2000. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm no expert on it, but it's a complicated thing. It's not THAT low, so maybe it's not going to be effected. Just think what it would be at 800-1000?
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:23:09 AM EDT
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There are some days I cannot stay awake. what did you take specifically? Had a few Dr's tell me that my levels were in the "normal" range. Yeah, "normal" for a 75y/o man. (35 at the time) I did my homework. I read and read. Pubmed journals, Life Extention journals, all sorts of things pertaining to Testosterone. One of the things that stood out was having LOW Testosterone had scores of negative health impacts. I might as well feel good and ALIVE and boost it. As for the thickening of the blood, I've never had any issues with that. I get BW done every 8weeks. A friend of mine in a similar situation has to donate blood every few months to deal with that. It's all very individual. I hope you find some help bud. It was the right choice for me. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 7:34:49 AM EDT
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Solace, check your IMs.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 7:35:23 AM EDT
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150-175mg/week of Testosterone Enanthate split into 2 injections administered sub q with a slin pin. (Right in the pinch of fat on either side of my abdomen) Had a few Dr's tell me that my levels were in the "normal" range. Yeah, "normal" for a 75y/o man. (35 at the time) I did my homework. I read and read. Pubmed journals, Life Extention journals, all sorts of things pertaining to Testosterone. One of the things that stood out was having LOW Testosterone had scores of negative health impacts. I might as well feel good and ALIVE and boost it. As for the thickening of the blood, I've never had any issues with that. I get BW done every 8weeks. A friend of mine in a similar situation has to donate blood every few months to deal with that. It's all very individual. I hope you find some help bud. It was the right choice for me. Im not in a situation financially to afford TRT right now, just a quick google showed 250-500$ per month add that to the rest of the monitoring etc. Ive got 3 girls, one just diagnosed with autism and will probably have some special needs going forward, different therapy's and such. Maybe in the meantime if I can figure out a few "tricks" to scrap together 10 points here and 20 there maybe I can at least get out of this funk, maybe... |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 7:36:30 AM EDT
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Solace, check your IMs. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 8:33:00 AM EDT
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YES! The whole "normal for who?" thing is exactly what I am thinking. @36 years old I would think it would be alot higher. Im not in a situation financially to afford TRT right now, just a quick google showed 250-500$ per month add that to the rest of the monitoring etc. Ive got 3 girls, one just diagnosed with autism and will probably have some special needs going forward, different therapy's and such. Maybe in the meantime if I can figure out a few "tricks" to scrap together 10 points here and 20 there maybe I can at least get out of this funk, maybe... TRT isn't that expensive if it's covered by insurance. 2 months of test runs me $5 or $10, $5/month for anti estrogen, and maybe $15 for 3+months of syringes. My worry, as has been stated, would be blood thickening for you. Not all people experience it though and it is easy to monitor and take care of. But the juice may not be worth the squeeze for you. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 8:43:12 AM EDT
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I'm sorry to hear about your daughter. Hopefully the diagnosis opens new doors for improvement! TRT isn't that expensive if it's covered by insurance. 2 months of test runs me $5 or $10, $5/month for anti estrogen, and maybe $15 for 3+months of syringes. My worry, as has been stated, would be blood thickening for you. Not all people experience it though and it is easy to monitor and take care of. But the juice may not be worth the squeeze for you. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 8:46:26 AM EDT
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I've been as high as 3k, so I know...good times... 
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Posted: 6/25/2017 9:09:28 AM EDT
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Even if it's not covered, test from CVS with a goodrx coupon is about $60 and that lasts me 6 months. Pins can be ordered in bulk online and an AI can be bought for dirt cheap through research chems. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 9:12:31 AM EDT
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I'm sorry to hear about your daughter. Hopefully the diagnosis opens new doors for improvement! TRT isn't that expensive if it's covered by insurance. 2 months of test runs me $5 or $10, $5/month for anti estrogen, and maybe $15 for 3+months of syringes. My worry, as has been stated, would be blood thickening for you. Not all people experience it though and it is easy to monitor and take care of. But the juice may not be worth the squeeze for you. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 9:23:12 AM EDT
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ok so now my wife is trying to convince me that I will have a heart attack/stroke if I take any T supplement since I have a heart history. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 9:26:56 AM EDT
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I guess the whole thing has opened up questions in my head.
How much progress can I really make at these levels? Should I re-think my training or just continue as normal? I worked hard to get to a 200 bench press, I am fine with working hard to get to a 225. Alot to think about. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 9:34:57 AM EDT
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Your wife is wrong. Thick blood is bad for me. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 10:01:06 AM EDT
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Low, I had to force my doc to test me in the afternoon. Shoot for 700-1100 range.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 11:00:05 AM EDT
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I guess the whole thing has opened up questions in my head. How much progress can I really make at these levels? Should I re-think my training or just continue as normal? I worked hard to get to a 200 bench press, I am fine with working hard to get to a 225. Alot to think about. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 11:05:52 AM EDT
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That's very low according to my Doctors opinion. That's why I'm on Low-T treatment and doing great with a score around 700 at 46
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Posted: 6/25/2017 1:03:26 PM EDT
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Your wife is wrong. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 2:41:00 PM EDT
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YES! The whole "normal for who?" thing is exactly what I am thinking. @36 years old I would think it would be alot higher. Im not in a situation financially to afford TRT right now, just a quick google showed 250-500$ per month add that to the rest of the monitoring etc. Ive got 3 girls, one just diagnosed with autism and will probably have some special needs going forward, different therapy's and such. Maybe in the meantime if I can figure out a few "tricks" to scrap together 10 points here and 20 there maybe I can at least get out of this funk, maybe... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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150-175mg/week of Testosterone Enanthate split into 2 injections administered sub q with a slin pin. (Right in the pinch of fat on either side of my abdomen) Had a few Dr's tell me that my levels were in the "normal" range. Yeah, "normal" for a 75y/o man. (35 at the time) I did my homework. I read and read. Pubmed journals, Life Extention journals, all sorts of things pertaining to Testosterone. One of the things that stood out was having LOW Testosterone had scores of negative health impacts. I might as well feel good and ALIVE and boost it. As for the thickening of the blood, I've never had any issues with that. I get BW done every 8weeks. A friend of mine in a similar situation has to donate blood every few months to deal with that. It's all very individual. I hope you find some help bud. It was the right choice for me. Im not in a situation financially to afford TRT right now, just a quick google showed 250-500$ per month add that to the rest of the monitoring etc. Ive got 3 girls, one just diagnosed with autism and will probably have some special needs going forward, different therapy's and such. Maybe in the meantime if I can figure out a few "tricks" to scrap together 10 points here and 20 there maybe I can at least get out of this funk, maybe... Our insurance isn't that good, but it does help a ton when getting prescriptions filled. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 2:42:55 PM EDT
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I need to go get mine checked again.
It was 400 this winter. I am outside and working now though, and for the most part feel great every day, I felt like shit when they drew the blood. I wonder how much it went up (if at all) since it was checked last. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:11:19 PM EDT
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Do you have insurance through you or your wife's work? Our insurance isn't that good, but it does help a ton when getting prescriptions filled. My sister is a PA, I was going to talk to her (she ordered the bloodwork for T) and see what would be involved in getting it up some. I dont know if she would be up for that or even if she could, I dont want to get her in trouble or whatever. she lifts with me sometimes but she also thinks its "normal" because that is what the computer spit out more or less. |
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