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Posted: 7/22/2016 11:49:45 AM EDT
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Not really proving your point, almost "everything" to do with losing weight is diet... What kind of program do you recommend instead? Well, if you want your routine to support weight loss, I would suggest something that focuses on calories burned. That's exactly what I asked. Currently gaining, but if I want to drop at some time, was genuinely wanting to know what kind of lifting routine someone might suggest differently than SL that is more directed at "burning calories." (I am not insinuating SL is good for that, just looking for different experiences) 300 calories per hour on a stationary bike. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/exercise/lookup OK, your answer is stationary bike? Not saying cardio doesn't work, but weightlifting has done a LOT better job burning calories for me than any cardio stuff. Muscle repairing itself is burning calories while you do rest. The only tradeoff is that I find I need about 2X as much time to do a full body weightlifting routine--but since I have to rest at least 48 hrs in between, it evens out. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 12:01:34 PM EDT
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Last I checked, building muscle burns lots of calories. The resulting increased muscle mass burns more calories at rest. Ergo, get stronger. Drop fat through diet (paleo/primal). Do HIIT to support the fat burning. Do not focus on some arbitrary number on a scale. Rely on the mirror/clothes fit. Focus on dropping fat, not weight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not really proving your point, almost "everything" to do with losing weight is diet... What kind of program do you recommend instead? Well, if you want your routine to support weight loss, I would suggest something that focuses on calories burned. That's exactly what I asked. Currently gaining, but if I want to drop at some time, was genuinely wanting to know what kind of lifting routine someone might suggest differently than SL that is more directed at "burning calories." (I am not insinuating SL is good for that, just looking for different experiences) Last I checked, building muscle burns lots of calories. The resulting increased muscle mass burns more calories at rest. Ergo, get stronger. Drop fat through diet (paleo/primal). Do HIIT to support the fat burning. Do not focus on some arbitrary number on a scale. Rely on the mirror/clothes fit. Focus on dropping fat, not weight. Thanks, I do kind of know all that, but was just curious if they were going after a high rep, low weight to failure (or the opposite) or more/less sets, some kind of overall approach or theory like that. I went from 19% to 11.5% bodyfat in a year with just diet and lifting (same bodyweight within +/-5 lbs)-disclaimer, it was with those grip both hands $37 fat% machines, but I was fasted and fully hydrated both times, so hopefully at least a good "comparison" even if numbers aren't "good" |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 4:05:15 PM EDT
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OK, your answer is stationary bike? Not saying cardio doesn't work, but weightlifting has done a LOT better job burning calories for me than any cardio stuff. Muscle repairing itself is burning calories while you do rest. The only tradeoff is that I find I need about 2X as much time to do a full body weightlifting routine--but since I have to rest at least 48 hrs in between, it evens out. Stationary bike is not a program. Build your own program to reach your goals. 
Losing weight is in the diet, like I said in the beginning. 5x5 by itself isn't going to burn huge amounts of calories. If burning calories is your goal, aerobic exercise for longer periods will do that. That's all I'm saying. Everyone seems to have some hidden agenda/ulterior motive in this thread. I'm just stating facts. My goal is not burning calories, it's general conditioning, so I alternate HIIT with enough lifting to avoid moving backward in strength. ETA: I'm a computer geek by trade - so take my advice with that in mind. |
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Posted: 7/22/2016 10:58:15 PM EDT
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Last I checked, building muscle burns lots of calories. The resulting increased muscle mass burns more calories at rest. Ergo, get stronger. Drop fat through diet (paleo/primal). Do HIIT to support the fat burning. Do not focus on some arbitrary number on a scale. Rely on the mirror/clothes fit. Focus on dropping fat, not weight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not really proving your point, almost "everything" to do with losing weight is diet... What kind of program do you recommend instead? Well, if you want your routine to support weight loss, I would suggest something that focuses on calories burned. That's exactly what I asked. Currently gaining, but if I want to drop at some time, was genuinely wanting to know what kind of lifting routine someone might suggest differently than SL that is more directed at "burning calories." (I am not insinuating SL is good for that, just looking for different experiences) Last I checked, building muscle burns lots of calories. The resulting increased muscle mass burns more calories at rest. Ergo, get stronger. Drop fat through diet (paleo/primal). Do HIIT to support the fat burning. Do not focus on some arbitrary number on a scale. Rely on the mirror/clothes fit. Focus on dropping fat, not weight. I have a hard time with that. I want the scale to move. My pants fit better. My shirts are filled out in the chest vs the beer gut. But I still want the scale to move. 
Cutting sucks when you're pinning. You're building muscle as fast as dropping fat weight. 
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:17:44 AM EDT
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I'm 34, and I have a similar expectation of not hurting myself. I actually stopped my squats at 205, because that's adequate for me to achieve my fitness goals. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh yeah, set back in every exercise, which is fine. I am 42 years old and my primary goal is to not hurt myself. If I can't do a rep, I'm not going to get injured trying. The first time I reached 225 on the deadlift, I slightly pulled a back muscle on my last rep. I back up to 200 to let the muscle heal and am now back to 225. I also run 9 to 12 miles a week, so when my runs are too close to my weightlifting it makes the squats really difficult. ETA: For those not familiar, if you don't make your 5X5 reps three straight days of workout, then it reduces you by 10%. I'm 34, and I have a similar expectation of not hurting myself. I actually stopped my squats at 205, because that's adequate for me to achieve my fitness goals. I didn't complete 5X5 for 235 lbs squat three times in a row and downloaded to 205 lbs. I am still doing them barefoot because my shoes aren't here yet. I think I am going to do what you are doing and stay at 225 lbs for my workout for a while. That is a good weight for me to get all my reps, but still be a significant effort. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 12:14:23 PM EDT
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Put 5 or 10 lbs chips under your heels. But only play with lighter weight this way to start with. It changes the geometry of your squat. It takes a little getting used to it. Run up to 135 and maybe 185 with the plates under your heels to see how it feels to squat with an elevated heel.
I love the picture of Arnold squating four or five plates with a 2x4 under his heels. He didn't have 6 different name brand specialty squat shoes to choose from. So he used wood. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 12:19:50 PM EDT
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I didn't complete 5X5 for 235 lbs squat three times in a row and downloaded to 205 lbs. I am still doing them barefoot because my shoes aren't here yet. I think I am going to do what you are doing and stay at 225 lbs for my workout for a while. That is a good weight for me to get all my reps, but still be a significant effort. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh yeah, set back in every exercise, which is fine. I am 42 years old and my primary goal is to not hurt myself. If I can't do a rep, I'm not going to get injured trying. The first time I reached 225 on the deadlift, I slightly pulled a back muscle on my last rep. I back up to 200 to let the muscle heal and am now back to 225. I also run 9 to 12 miles a week, so when my runs are too close to my weightlifting it makes the squats really difficult. ETA: For those not familiar, if you don't make your 5X5 reps three straight days of workout, then it reduces you by 10%. I'm 34, and I have a similar expectation of not hurting myself. I actually stopped my squats at 205, because that's adequate for me to achieve my fitness goals. I didn't complete 5X5 for 235 lbs squat three times in a row and downloaded to 205 lbs. I am still doing them barefoot because my shoes aren't here yet. I think I am going to do what you are doing and stay at 225 lbs for my workout for a while. That is a good weight for me to get all my reps, but still be a significant effort. That's my current plan. What I like is that you aren't moving backward, you are in fact still getting stronger (squatting the same for a few weeks will get easier), just at a more slow pace. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 12:42:48 PM EDT
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That's my current plan. What I like is that you aren't moving backward, you are in fact still getting stronger (squatting the same for a few weeks will get easier), just at a more slow pace. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh yeah, set back in every exercise, which is fine. I am 42 years old and my primary goal is to not hurt myself. If I can't do a rep, I'm not going to get injured trying. The first time I reached 225 on the deadlift, I slightly pulled a back muscle on my last rep. I back up to 200 to let the muscle heal and am now back to 225. I also run 9 to 12 miles a week, so when my runs are too close to my weightlifting it makes the squats really difficult. ETA: For those not familiar, if you don't make your 5X5 reps three straight days of workout, then it reduces you by 10%. I'm 34, and I have a similar expectation of not hurting myself. I actually stopped my squats at 205, because that's adequate for me to achieve my fitness goals. I didn't complete 5X5 for 235 lbs squat three times in a row and downloaded to 205 lbs. I am still doing them barefoot because my shoes aren't here yet. I think I am going to do what you are doing and stay at 225 lbs for my workout for a while. That is a good weight for me to get all my reps, but still be a significant effort. That's my current plan. What I like is that you aren't moving backward, you are in fact still getting stronger (squatting the same for a few weeks will get easier), just at a more slow pace. Meh. In the absence of progressive overloading, your body quickly adapts to the load. Any strength "gained" is minimal, at best. And non-existent after a few workouts. But you are correct in that you aren't moving backwards. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 12:47:45 PM EDT
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Meh. In the absence of progressive overloading, your body quickly adapts to the load. Any strength "gained" is minimal, at best. And non-existent after a few workouts. But you are correct in that you aren't moving backwards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's my current plan. What I like is that you aren't moving backward, you are in fact still getting stronger (squatting the same for a few weeks will get easier), just at a more slow pace. Meh. In the absence of progressive overloading, your body quickly adapts to the load. Any strength "gained" is minimal, at best. And non-existent after a few workouts. But you are correct in that you aren't moving backwards. I would imagine strength gained would be minimal, that makes sense. I'm effectively in maintenance mode.
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:12:38 PM EDT
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My femurs are too long for 3x5 
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5x5 is dumb. 3x5 is where it's at. My femurs are too long for 3x5
Have you considered femur reduction surgery? I had a couple segments taken out of my spine to help my deadlift. Long torso sucks for deadlifts. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:16:26 PM EDT
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Have you considered femur reduction surgery? I had a couple segments taken out of my spine to help my deadlift. Long torso sucks for deadlifts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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5x5 is dumb. 3x5 is where it's at. My femurs are too long for 3x5
Have you considered femur reduction surgery? I had a couple segments taken out of my spine to help my deadlift. Long torso sucks for deadlifts. I crush deadlifts. |
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Posted: 7/25/2016 11:18:56 PM EDT
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I crush deadlifts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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5x5 is dumb. 3x5 is where it's at. My femurs are too long for 3x5
Have you considered femur reduction surgery? I had a couple segments taken out of my spine to help my deadlift. Long torso sucks for deadlifts. I crush deadlifts. I crush donuts. |
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