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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:07:24 PM EDT
Try this
 I've been using for about a week and so far I have had little actual muscle loss from my PH cycle but have hardened/leaned/cut up pretty good(for a week). I can't wait to see what I'm like in 3 more.
It's all natural. so no worries. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:18:55 PM EDT
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No benefit if you're not coming off a cycle...
"All natural"doesn't mean harmless... Coming off a ph cycle, I'd be very hesitant to not use Clomid, Noval or letro. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:39:35 PM EDT
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No benefit if you're not coming off a cycle... "All natural"doesn't mean harmless... Coming off a ph cycle, I'd be very hesitant to not use Clomid, Noval or letro. Like the real clomid? The illegal stuff? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:59:49 PM EDT
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Like the real clomid? The illegal stuff? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No benefit if you're not coming off a cycle... "All natural"doesn't mean harmless... Coming off a ph cycle, I'd be very hesitant to not use Clomid, Noval or letro. Like the real clomid? The illegal stuff? No, just clomid. Not the other stuff you said. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:07:52 AM EDT
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No, just clomid. Not the other stuff you said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No benefit if you're not coming off a cycle... "All natural"doesn't mean harmless... Coming off a ph cycle, I'd be very hesitant to not use Clomid, Noval or letro. Like the real clomid? The illegal stuff? No, just clomid. Not the other stuff you said. What he said. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 11:11:07 PM EDT
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I'm clueless to all of this .
explain please |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 4:52:46 PM EDT
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I'm clueless to all of this . explain please We aren't allowed to discuss illegal stuff here! 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 7:17:15 PM EDT
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I'm clueless to all of this . explain please google is your friend!!!! |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:17:29 PM EDT
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google is your friend!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm clueless to all of this . explain please google is your friend!!!! I did google it. And if you are prescribed it from what I read, its legal. So lets talk about it, as prescribed by an MD. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 11:05:37 PM EDT
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Like the real clomid? The illegal stuff? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No benefit if you're not coming off a cycle... "All natural"doesn't mean harmless... Coming off a ph cycle, I'd be very hesitant to not use Clomid, Noval or letro. Like the real clomid? The illegal stuff? When did clomid become illegal? Was it outlawed? |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 7:38:40 AM EDT
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It is frequently prescribed by physicians as a first line in the treatment of low testosterone.
There are numerous studies showing it is both safe for long term use as well as effective. Dosing is 25mg daily or some protocols are 50 every other day. Studies show an average increase in testosterone of about 400 from baseline, sustained. most reason my clients come off?-- "It makes me into, literally, a moody bitch... like a woman on her period." |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 3:09:12 PM EDT
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It is frequently prescribed by physicians as a first line in the treatment of low testosterone. There are numerous studies showing it is both safe for long term use as well as effective. Dosing is 25mg daily or some protocols are 50 every other day. Studies show an average increase in testosterone of about 400 from baseline, sustained. most reason my clients come off?-- "It makes me into, literally, a moody bitch... like a woman on her period." So are there advantages to very low doses or cycling on and off of it? What levels of Testosterone would one have to be a candidate for this? |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 3:55:56 PM EDT
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It's pretty much permanent.
Usually sub 3-400 depending on age
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Posted: 11/1/2014 6:45:35 PM EDT
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It's pretty much permanent. Usually sub 3-400 depending on age I've read people's opinions, but in your opinion what's the benefit of clomid over test, if any? ETA: Strictly in treating low T symptoms in men. Not for recreational use. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:04:54 PM EDT
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I've read people's opinions, but in your opinion what's the benefit of clomid over test, if any? ETA: Strictly in treating low T symptoms in men. Not for recreational use. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's pretty much permanent. Usually sub 3-400 depending on age I've read people's opinions, but in your opinion what's the benefit of clomid over test, if any? ETA: Strictly in treating low T symptoms in men. Not for recreational use. I can see several. No injections = no pain or infection risk (issue for some with blood clot risks). No cholesterol issues. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:34:20 PM EDT
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It's pretty much permanent. Usually sub 3-400 depending on age So, for someone with a 350 T that isn't overly worried about "gains" but would like assistance, would this be your first recommendation? To bring up to my PCP, obviously. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 8:51:10 PM EDT
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Advantages,: Fertility, estrogen issues, gynecomastia, less (no?) Hpta suppression to just name a few.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:05:25 PM EDT
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Advantages,: Fertility, estrogen issues, gynecomastia, less (no?) Hpta suppression to just name a few. What would make you treat a patient with clomid versus Test? Have you seen T levels go back down? I've read a few guys here and on other forums report increased T but it seems to decline back to their baseline after 4-6 months? |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:45:54 PM EDT
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Yeah no thanks. Who knows the long terms side effects
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:59:39 PM EDT
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It's well studied, and the first line for low T according to many physician's groups (Urology, anti aging, etc. ).
Failure of clomid (due to sides, lack of improvement in symptoms, etc.) is when Id recommend test replacement. |
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