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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:46:15 PM EDT
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If this was GD I'd tell you to do heavy compound lifts and eat at a caloric surplus. But.......
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:16:52 PM EDT
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Pro hormones are... weak.
Legal, but weak. There are 2 that are solid, but... yeah. That wasn't your question. 6 weeks on 8 weeks off. Pro hormones are not to be played around with... Watch blood pressure, and cholesterol....
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:38:03 PM EDT
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If this was GD I'd tell you to do heavy compound lifts and eat at a caloric surplus. But....... What is your goal? EDIT Pack on some muscle and lose some fat. about 20 of both. I have no need or want to get huge like I use to be (230lbs bench 315) I'm about 190lbs now and staying about that weight but leaning/bulking up SOME is my goal. Wouldn't my body just burn what fat I have to make up the difference? If I weight 190lbs would 130-150grams of protein work? |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:39:22 PM EDT
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Pro hormones are... weak. Legal, but weak. There are 2 that are solid, but... yeah. That wasn't your question. 6 weeks on 8 weeks off. Pro hormones are not to be played around with... Watch blood pressure, and cholesterol.... What are they? and ya I know not to fuck around with them and follow what they say on the bottle. I used them when I was 18 and got pretty big. Dymabol I think it was, they were pills in a glass bottle. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:41:48 PM EDT
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What are they? and ya I know not to fuck around with them and follow what they say on the bottle. I used them when I was 18 and got pretty big. Dymabol I think it was, they were pills in a glass bottle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pro hormones are... weak. Legal, but weak. There are 2 that are solid, but... yeah. That wasn't your question. 6 weeks on 8 weeks off. Pro hormones are not to be played around with... Watch blood pressure, and cholesterol.... What are they? and ya I know not to fuck around with them and follow what they say on the bottle. I used them when I was 18 and got pretty big. Dymabol I think it was, they were pills in a glass bottle. IF you're going to use PH just do the real thing. Get a dr to prescribe it to you. PH need to be synthesized in the body and it's going to take a toll on your liver. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:17:24 PM EDT
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IF you're going to use PH just do the real thing. Get a dr to prescribe it to you. PH need to be synthesized in the body and it's going to take a toll on your liver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pro hormones are... weak. Legal, but weak. There are 2 that are solid, but... yeah. That wasn't your question. 6 weeks on 8 weeks off. Pro hormones are not to be played around with... Watch blood pressure, and cholesterol.... What are they? and ya I know not to fuck around with them and follow what they say on the bottle. I used them when I was 18 and got pretty big. Dymabol I think it was, they were pills in a glass bottle. IF you're going to use PH just do the real thing. Get a dr to prescribe it to you. PH need to be synthesized in the body and it's going to take a toll on your liver. How well does a PCT help with that? |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:53:13 PM EDT
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If you are gonna use PH's then be prepared to take: BP support, cholesterol support and prostate support. Have a SERM ready in case of gyno flare up. SERM also the preferred PCT.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 4:57:25 PM EDT
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Pro hormones are... weak. Legal, but weak. There are 2 that are solid, but... yeah. That wasn't your question. 6 weeks on 8 weeks off. Pro hormones are not to be played around with... Watch blood pressure, and cholesterol.... What are they? and ya I know not to fuck around with them and follow what they say on the bottle. I used them when I was 18 and got pretty big. Dymabol I think it was, they were pills in a glass bottle. IF you're going to use PH just do the real thing. Get a dr to prescribe it to you. PH need to be synthesized in the body and it's going to take a toll on your liver. How well does a PCT help with that? PCT is post cycle and does not do anything to help with your liver. You'd need to be taking things like LIV52 and there are plenty of steroid websites that will guide you in the right direction. All pro hormones are are steroids that haven't been metabolized by the body. |
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Posted: 8/25/2014 5:08:05 PM EDT
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Pack on some muscle and lose some fat. about 20 of both. I have no need or want to get huge like I use to be (230lbs bench 315) I'm about 190lbs now and staying about that weight but leaning/bulking up SOME is my goal. Wouldn't my body just burn what fat I have to make up the difference? If I weight 190lbs would 130-150grams of protein work? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If this was GD I'd tell you to do heavy compound lifts and eat at a caloric surplus. But....... What is your goal? EDIT Pack on some muscle and lose some fat. about 20 of both. I have no need or want to get huge like I use to be (230lbs bench 315) I'm about 190lbs now and staying about that weight but leaning/bulking up SOME is my goal. Wouldn't my body just burn what fat I have to make up the difference? If I weight 190lbs would 130-150grams of protein work? 230 lbs with a 315 bench is far from huge. Based on that comment, I'd say you are no where needing chemical therapy unless you have legit low T. In that case, see a doc a do it right. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:17:08 AM EDT
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trestobol has a severe androgenic and anabolic profile...
Still a PH... kinda shitty as an oral... there are people who pin it though... Check the prohormone forums. They're more knowledgable. --- 230 isn't 'huge' unless you're in single digit bodyfat and 5'6"... I'd try to dissuade you from using them, but I dont think that'll happen, so... why try. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:23:21 AM EDT
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230 lbs with a 315 bench is far from huge. Based on that comment, I'd say you are no where needing chemical therapy unless you have legit low T. In that case, see a doc a do it right. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:28:21 AM EDT
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230 lbs with a 315 bench is far from huge. Based on that comment, I'd say you are no where needing chemical therapy unless you have legit low T. In that case, see a doc a do it right. 315 with a 230 bench would be huge. |
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:54:15 PM EDT
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So if you eat 200grams of protein, but are only getting in 1000 calories. You're body will just make up the difference in calories it needs by burning fat, right? I mean, that's what it's there for...right?
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:09:44 PM EDT
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Not to be rude but
If you are asking basic nutritional questions think 230# with a 315# bench is huge asking basic training questions (band vs free weight-machine vs straight bar) you have absolutely no business messing with hormones! |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:47:54 AM EDT
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So if you eat 200grams of protein, but are only getting in 1000 calories. You're body will just make up the difference in calories it needs by burning fat, right? I mean, that's what it's there for...right? Your body will go into ketosis if you aren't getting many carbs - but that's still a severe deficit and you will lose most muscle than fat. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:46:03 AM EDT
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Not to be rude but If you are asking basic nutritional questions think 230# with a 315# bench is huge asking basic training questions (band vs free weight-machine vs straight bar) you have absolutely no business messing with hormones! Those might be true, the others I don't see how they relate. One is my personal opinion, and the other was a question to see what others think. I do appreciate your concern, maybe you're right. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:47:47 AM EDT
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Your body will go into ketosis if you aren't getting many carbs - but that's still a severe deficit and you will lose most muscle than fat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if you eat 200grams of protein, but are only getting in 1000 calories. You're body will just make up the difference in calories it needs by burning fat, right? I mean, that's what it's there for...right? Your body will go into ketosis if you aren't getting many carbs - but that's still a severe deficit and you will lose most muscle than fat. So bulking up and cutting is the only way? |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 6:54:53 AM EDT
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So bulking up and cutting is the only way? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if you eat 200grams of protein, but are only getting in 1000 calories. You're body will just make up the difference in calories it needs by burning fat, right? I mean, that's what it's there for...right? Your body will go into ketosis if you aren't getting many carbs - but that's still a severe deficit and you will lose most muscle than fat. So bulking up and cutting is the only way? No, he's just saying at a deficit THAT severe, you WILL lose muscle. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:05:59 AM EDT
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Those might be true, the others I don't see how they relate. One is my personal opinion, and the other was a question to see what others think. I do appreciate your concern, maybe you're right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not to be rude but If you are asking basic nutritional questions think 230# with a 315# bench is huge asking basic training questions (band vs free weight-machine vs straight bar) you have absolutely no business messing with hormones! Those might be true, the others I don't see how they relate. One is my personal opinion, and the other was a question to see what others think. I do appreciate your concern, maybe you're right. The thing is that at #230 a #315 bench isn't that impressive- it's good, but certainly not huge, and certainly not at the point where one should be using hormones. The basic workout questions are a red flag because hormones are something only advanced lifters/athletes should be playing with IMO. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:13:50 AM EDT
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Those might be true, the others I don't see how they relate. One is my personal opinion, and the other was a question to see what others think. I do appreciate your concern, maybe you're right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not to be rude but If you are asking basic nutritional questions think 230# with a 315# bench is huge asking basic training questions (band vs free weight-machine vs straight bar) you have absolutely no business messing with hormones! Those might be true, the others I don't see how they relate. One is my personal opinion, and the other was a question to see what others think. I do appreciate your concern, maybe you're right. It is you body and you can do what ever you want to it. But you want to know how they relate. If you are at the point in your liftig career where you need to start messing with your hormones that means you have maxed out your genetic potential. If you are at you genetic potential that mean you have 5-10+ years of dedicated training. On a solid program with a very solid nutritional program. That means you shiuld have your diet dialed in enough that you know exactly how much protien, carbs and fat you need for growth. You should know exactly what exericises make your body grow the most and your weak points. So until you reach that point you dont need hormones. Like i said it is your body do what you want. |
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:20:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IF you're going to use PH just do the real thing. Get a dr to prescribe it to you. PH need to be synthesized in the body and it's going to take a toll on your liver. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Pro hormones are... weak. Legal, but weak. There are 2 that are solid, but... yeah. That wasn't your question. 6 weeks on 8 weeks off. Pro hormones are not to be played around with... Watch blood pressure, and cholesterol.... What are they? and ya I know not to fuck around with them and follow what they say on the bottle. I used them when I was 18 and got pretty big. Dymabol I think it was, they were pills in a glass bottle. IF you're going to use PH just do the real thing. Get a dr to prescribe it to you. PH need to be synthesized in the body and it's going to take a toll on your liver.  First, some "prohormones" are the "real thing" just like anadrol and dianabol. Second, prohormones are not "synthetized" in the body. Some need to be metabolized by various enzymes into the target steroid. But many of those are active steroids in their own right. |
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