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Posted: 5/9/2012 9:29:14 PM
Still working on dinner, which is basically beef and onions (simmered for an hour and a half or so in a little milk, green chiles, etc) but I have had a few small bites of peanut butter.

Less than a serving (two tablespoons)

Of crunchy Natural Skippy.

Ingredients: roasted peanuts, sugar, palm oil, salt

Four grams of carbs per serving of two tablespoons.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 9:46:30 PM
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Why no vegetables?

I assume you're not eating a pile of green chiles.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 9:56:22 PM
Actually steaming up some green beans now.
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Posted: 5/10/2012 12:20:49 AM
Green BEANS?
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Posted: 5/10/2012 12:28:49 AM
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Posted: 5/10/2012 11:25:54 AM
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DAY FOUR Thursday, 10 May 2012

Morning weight: 255

Lift: Bench deload, T-bar rows, reverse hypers

Breakfast: coffee shake- three scoops Carnivor, 2T instant coffee, 3oz half and half, fill shaker to top with water. Thought about having a cup of Chobani, but I want to run this for a minute and see how carbs vs energy vs fat loss is working for a minute.

Lunch: a pound of smoked beef brisket (no sauce) and a small side of cole slaw- no sugar, according to the lady at the counter. Not sure if I believe her.

Dinner: Pepperoni and shredded cheese with romaine in a low carb tortilla. Some tea. Who knew pepperoni (at least the bag of Hormel pepperoni I have) is zero carb? Sure it's high in fat, cholesterol, and sodium but that's not the point!

Maybe a little peanut butter later.
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Posted: 5/10/2012 12:08:06 PM
Just curious do you have a number of grams you stay under or just keep it as low as possible?
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Originally Posted By acman145acp:
Just curious do you have a number of grams you stay under or just keep it as low as possible?


Right now I'm using a loose 30gram/day limit.

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DAY FIVE Friday, 11 May 2012

Morning weight: 254

Lift: Squat, OHP

Breakfast: Shake- 3 scoops Carnivor, 1T instant coffee, 8oz water, 3oz (?) half and half, 3-4oz 1% milk

Lunch: Low carb tortilla wrap mit about 1/2lb Cajun smoked turkey, shredded "Mexican" blend cheese, Romaine, yellow mustard and a few bites of peanut butter washed down with a Monster Rehab (Rojo Tea)

Dinner: Wrap as above + some pepperoni "chips" on the side and some CL tea

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Posted: 5/11/2012 11:40:02 AM
Why is the amount of instant coffee changing? Are you changing the amount based on how much caffeine you want/need for the morning?

Also, how is that shake you're making? Is it "meh, okay I'll drink it" or "wow, that's good"?
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Posted: 5/11/2012 11:42:19 AM
What does the half and half add to your shakes? Makes them thicker/more filling?
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Posted: 5/11/2012 11:51:53 AM
Originally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
Why is the amount of instant coffee changing? Are you changing the amount based on how much caffeine you want/need for the morning?

Also, how is that shake you're making? Is it "meh, okay I'll drink it" or "wow, that's good"?


I have normally done 2T coffee in the shake as a rule, but the Carnivor has a light enough flavor that the coffee makes the shake overall sharper/more acidic tasting than I would like, especially with not using 2% or whole milk. It's a taste thing. If I could get away with 3T coffee in the shakes, I would.

You have to play with ratios of ingredients for your own taste, but I like the shakes a lot.

check out freeproteinshakerecipes.com

Originally Posted By GUNGUY148:
What does the half and half add to your shakes? Makes them thicker/more filling?


Yes, also just what I would drink in coffee at home. The shake as a whole is basically my breakfast and my morning coffee combined and it's cheaper and better nutritionally than getting Starbucks and a muffin in the morning as far as my needs go.
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Posted: 5/11/2012 1:19:30 PM
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Originally Posted By Hank:


A correction to Captain Reads-a-lot's statement above- not Muscle Milk, Monster Milk- it is leaner. I think it's about 16 grams total in my morning shakes- add the half and half and it MIGHT total 20g/shake.

As to milk, for low carbing I am going to be putting the milk down save for special occasions, hence this morning's shake with half and half and water as the only liquids. Half and half has many fewer grams of carbs per serving than milk, as does heavy cream.

And it's freaking lovely.

And as to some other comments- peanut butter is fine in moderation. My "bites" are probably less than half inch diameter spheres if you want volume- so in total, equal to or less than one serving in a go. Six grams of carbs, I think in a serving?

Low carb tortillas? about the same- six or seven grams each.

As I cycle down, flesh out meal planning, and make more grocery trips, the carbs will get lower per meal and overall per day.

Be patient, people. You aren't the ones cycling down.

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Hank,
Don't know about your tortillas but these have a net of 5: Ole Extreme Wellness

Pic of wrap last week with tortilla:


I've had good luck with NATURAL peanut butter. I also use Polander All Fruit SF preserves.
Don't think it's not "sustainable" because I've been doing this since OCTOBER of last year.
I have ONE cheat meal a week and I still am a lightweight.
If you want to go ZERO carb on the bbq sauce, go over to the diabetic section. The sauce is thin but it is tasty, and the ketchup isn't bad.
I will say the spaghetti sauce sucks though.
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Posted: 5/11/2012 1:21:08 PM
Originally Posted By Hank:
Mission low carb (flour?)- should be able to find them at the grocery, Target, wherever. They taste almost exactly like flour tortillas.

Also looking at some breads from Julian Bakery. Crazy stuff- zero carb breads, etc. Look to be made with organic flax seed flour, some wheat, etc. Might order a loaf or two to try.


The bread is the bomb!
I'm going to order no later than about the 15th. If you "Jones" too bad for bread, let me know I have ONE loaf left in the freezer and I'll let you sample.

Just to tempt you!
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Just to tempt you!
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I saw when you posted that pic in the other thread the other day- that's part of what made me want some.

And I didn't think of the diabetic section- have to check it out. Did figure out that salsa is low carb, so if I could find some zero carb chips, that would be the bomb-dizzle. Maybe make some out of the low carb tortillas?

And I am seeing more that the diet would be perfectly sustainable with the right planning and discipline- the guy that runs chaosandpain.blogspot.com (left cold- MAJOR NSFW but a really good diet and training blog) has a lot of good info on essentially zero carb dieting, history of it through the ages, and developed his own diet.

I need to post that in the other thread as well- Rictus would get a kick out of it.
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Posted: 5/11/2012 1:37:33 PM
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Just to tempt you!
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee365/TwistedSister1989/sammich.jpg


I saw when you posted that pic in the other thread the other day- that's part of what made me want some.

And I didn't think of the diabetic section- have to check it out. Did figure out that salsa is low carb, so if I could find some zero carb chips, that would be the bomb-dizzle. Maybe make some out of the low carb tortillas?

And I am seeing more that the diet would be perfectly sustainable with the right planning and discipline- the guy that runs chaosandpain.blogspot.com (left cold- MAJOR NSFW but a really good diet and training blog) has a lot of good info on essentially zero carb dieting, history of it through the ages, and developed his own diet.

I need to post that in the other thread as well- Rictus would get a kick out of it.


The diabetic sections had things I was afraid to try, but so far the only thing I've had that is HORRIBLE is that spaghetti sauce that's zero carb/zero calorie.

The BBQ sauce and the ketchup are both not bad, but they are thin. I use the ketchup to top my meatloaf with and that way I only have to mix in a single tablespoon of tomato paste to thicken it. Tomato paste has some carbs based off the tomatoes being a fruit rather than a veggie, and organic brands with no added corn syrup or sugar are naturally lower in carb.

I load up at farmer's market on broccoli, brussels sprouts, zuchhini, mushrooms and beans. Lima beans are loaded with protein and while their carb count is high, you get to subtract the fiber. If you plan and balance the rest of your day, you can have them. I keep to the same salads you do––romaine, green and red leaf and spinach leaves.

I'm going to IM you my number. If you don't mind a short drive, call me and I'll give you half that loaf in the freezer to try before you buy. It will keep in the refrigerator for about a week.
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the guy that runs chaosandpain.blogspot.com (left cold- MAJOR NSFW but a really good diet and training blog) has a lot of good info on essentially zero carb dieting, history of it through the ages, and developed his own diet.


You bastard! Now I'm going to spend the rest of my work day reading his blog.
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Originally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
Originally Posted By Hank:
the guy that runs chaosandpain.blogspot.com (left cold- MAJOR NSFW but a really good diet and training blog) has a lot of good info on essentially zero carb dieting, history of it through the ages, and developed his own diet.


You bastard! Now I'm going to spend the rest of my work day reading his blog.


You're welcome.

It sucks, too, because the guy seems actually intelligent and backs almost all of his stuff up with citations.

Obviously not an arfcommer.
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The only drawback is that it's not something I can browse at work in the background.

Is his diet, the outline you're following? I haven't actually gotten to the diet part yet.

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Posted: 5/11/2012 5:29:01 PM
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The only drawback is that it's not something I can browse at work in the background.

Is his diet, the outline you're following? I haven't actually gotten to the diet part yet.



So whatcha been lookin at
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The only drawback is that it's not something I can browse at work in the background.

Is his diet, the outline you're following? I haven't actually gotten to the diet part yet.



No, his is pretty hardcore- almost nothing but meat and protein shakes. Check it out when you get a chance at home or what not.

Check at home, but I think he has a "work safe" (no bad pics) at chaosandbang.blogspot.com. Hadn't looked at it yet to verify content at all.
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Posted: 5/11/2012 6:28:06 PM
Originally Posted By Hank:
Originally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
The only drawback is that it's not something I can browse at work in the background.

Is his diet, the outline you're following? I haven't actually gotten to the diet part yet.



No, his is pretty hardcore- almost nothing but meat and protein shakes. Check it out when you get a chance at home or what not.

Check at home, but I think he has a "work safe" (no bad pics) at chaosandbang.blogspot.com. Hadn't looked at it yet to verify content at all.


For whatever its worth the mobil version is safe so far
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Posted: 5/11/2012 6:47:01 PM
Originally Posted By GUNGUY148:
Originally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
The only drawback is that it's not something I can browse at work in the background.

Is his diet, the outline you're following? I haven't actually gotten to the diet part yet.



So whatcha been lookin at


lot's o' titties! My wife is in for a surprise tonight. We usually wait until the 15th and the 30th of every month.
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The man is nothing if not adherent to his schedule.
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DAY SIX Saturday, 12 May 2012

Morning weight: 254

Lift: none planned

Breakfast: Sausage patties (made six, ate three), four eggs scrambled, two scoops Carnivor in 8oz water (mainly for the creatine), brewed coffee with half and half and Splenda



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Lunch: Grilled chicken nuggets and a Diet Coke from Chick-Fil-A

Had a couple bites of peanut butter and the crust from little girl's PBJ- she had to have it cut into a butterfly shape.

Dinner: couple of burger parties with cheese, green chile salsa, and mustard with a side of streamed broccoli and cheese. water.
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