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Posted: 5/7/2012 10:49:09 PM
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NOTE: Read through this and see edits at bottom of post for modifications to the diet and routine.

Alright, so here's the deal- I am running a modified 5/3/1 and am carrying too much "nonfunctional mass", ie, fat. I am a proponent of the "low carb" diet to cut weight in the short term, and am not at all uncertain that it is not a sustainable diet, if one takes enough calories for one's activity level.

But that is neither here nor there.

Here's what you get in this thread, info on my:

1) daily diet
2) lift/training routine
3) weight

Now this will be unscientific at best, but as I am not into a hypertrophy ("bodybuilding") lifting routine, I expect to lose fat faster than muscle mass. "Cardio" will be minimal in, truly, and probably limited to some prowler pushing or high rep squat work.

For a bit of background- I have done this before (minus the lifting), I know how the diet works, and I know how to read a nutritional label, do simple math, and calculate net carbs.

This is thread is to serve as a journal and discussion, not a debate of technique, etc. I am not interested in unsolicited advice or your differing opinion- though I do realize this is arfcom and it will be given anyway.

Notes/addendums/changes to routine:


1) Began diet as straight up low carb.

2) Start Carb Backloading, no change to lift routine- day 40, page 10

3) Start carbs back into diet, no change to lift routine- day 167, page 25
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:12:47 PM
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DAY ONE Monday 07 May, 2012

Morning weight - 259

Lift - Deadlift 5s, top end 315, singles at 365, missed 405

Breakfast - protein shake: 2 scoops Monster Milk, 4 oz water, 2T instant coffee, 2 oz half and half, fill to top with 1% milk
Lunch- two low carb tortilla wraps with 1/2lb ham (total), lettuce, mustard plus four Jimmy Dean sausage patties "on the side"
Dinner- breast and a half of chicken with a little BBQ sauce, probably a cup of sweet peas with a little salt

Water liberally throughout the day, some Crystal Lite tea with dinner
Probably a total of 2-3 T peanut butter (Natural Skippy, extra crunchy?) from the time I got home to just after dinner- sucks being munchy when low carbing
Stick of mozzarella
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:15:17 PM
Sounds good man....do you have any specific goals?
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:26:31 PM
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Originally Posted By GUNGUY148:
Sounds good man....do you have any specific goals?


As far as weight goes? Not really specific- I have thought my proper weight to be in the neighborhood of 200-225, lifting taken into account. Higher is fine as long as the "functional mass" is in proper proportion.

ETA: Short term goal is to drop to 225 over the next four months or so while maintaining an upward strength trend. Not sure how this is going to work.

Strength-wise, it's a constant thing- I'm in it for the long haul, I hope. Short term would be an 1100 total by end of year, and to grow my total 200lbs consistently year over year for the next five years. I know I'll stick (my squat is my problem right now), but that's what I'm shooting for.
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:43:56 PM
Since you are trying to gauge body composition also, have you considered measuring yourself every week? Maybe something along the lines of a waist-to-hip ratio suggested by Robb Wolf?
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:47:34 PM
I'm not really getting that scientific or precise with it, really. Weight loss + Strength maintenance + visible decrease in midsection = good enough results for this venture.
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Posted: 5/7/2012 11:53:53 PM
Do you know your caloric intake? When do you typically train?

I use protein shakes pretty liberally but usually as a means to curb hunger not as meal replacement. The day after I lift I could eat a small village so I usually throw them in there.

I like your goals, they're ambitious and awesome. Add a sweet potato or 2 based on your lifting numbers, on the days you train.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 12:00:35 AM
Originally Posted By RatherBeLifting:
Do you know your caloric intake? When do you typically train?

Don't know off hand, suppose I could start tracking- I usually don't, especially during this kind of diet, just eating "plenty" of proteins and veggies without going overboard.

Training typically "first thing" in the morning, about 6;30AM. Typically split my morning shake before and after the routine.

I use protein shakes pretty liberally but usually as a means to curb hunger not as meal replacement. The day after I lift I could eat a small village so I usually throw them in there.

I am the same way after a heavy lifting day- going to have to really look at my shakes and for carb count, might have to switch up. Tried Carnivor yet?

I like your goals, they're ambitious and awesome. Add a sweet potato or 2 based on your lifting numbers, on the days you train.

Thankee, sir. Sweet potato is one of the foods I need to get a carb count on. Freaking love them.


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Posted: 5/8/2012 12:11:43 AM
I would track just so you know what variables you need to tweak. I don't doubt that your plan will work, but based on the typical eating posted, I think you'll need more carbs to maintain strength. Also considering you're/we're on a strength based program. I wouldn't change it though until you do or don't see results for the first few weeks. If it works, then I'm wrong and it works.

I do think you'll like it though. When I started going P/P and doing NOV I saw fat melting off. I struggled with strength for a bit so I upped my fat intake by switching to more beef and full skin on chicken. I also had to add in some extra carbs, sweet potatoes and regular potatoes did the trick.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 12:25:47 AM
1100 is a very good number.... dead shit and whey brother
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Posted: 5/8/2012 12:25:57 AM
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RBL- I don't doubt there will be some adjustment to make, but I am probably going to play more with fats as you mentioned. Probably going to be a VERY dirty low carb diet.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 12:28:47 AM
Originally Posted By GUNGUY148:
1100 is a very good number.... dead shit and whey brother


Not bad for a first year number, I reckon.

Dead shit and whey, bro.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 10:07:50 AM
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DAY TWO Tuesday, 08 May 2012

Morning weight: 259

Lift: none planned

Breakfast: < tablespoon of extra crunchy peanut butter, protein shake: 4 oz water, 2 scoops Monster Milk, 2T instant coffee, 3 oz half and half, fill to top with water

Lunch: BBQ chicken and peas as last night's dinner, few small bites of peanut butter, cheese stick, CL tea

Snack was a few small bites of peanut butter, cheese stick

Dinner: salad mit chicken, Italian dressing, cheese along with four eggs, scrambled, with water to drink.

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Posted: 5/8/2012 10:08:30 AM
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Old School Tag. It's like subscribing for gangstas.



aaaa....I have a heck of a time with acronyms.
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Originally Posted By GUNGUY148:
Originally Posted By Hank:
Originally Posted By GUNGUY148:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
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aaaa....I have a heck of a time with acronyms.

As long as we're 'splainin, what's NOV?
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As long as we're 'splainin, what's NOV?


North Of Vag

It's a subset of Jim Wendler's famous 5/3/1 program.

Some links for Reading:
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Jim Wendler's Blog

Words to live by:
Don't fall for that crap that people are peddling on the message boards, in magazines or on TV. Get your shit in order, and get your training in order. Start kicking ass, and take out the crap that doesn't matter. Start doing and believing in the stuff that works, and do it today and forever. You want science and studies? Fuck you, I've got scars and blood and vomit.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 12:54:16 PM
Subset of the 5/3/1 program and a philosophy in general- like the call to arms posted. Words to live by.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 5:29:27 PM
This sounds almost exactly like what I am trying to do. I am mixing in more cardio due to work, but the low carbs worked for me. I was about 250 before XMAS and I'm down to 220 now. You are alot further along with the weights than me though. Good luck!


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Posted: 5/8/2012 5:33:28 PM
Meh, I'm a pussycat.

I will recommend 5/3/1 if you want to start getting your strength on, though.

Thanks, homey- and good luck to you as well.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 6:02:24 PM
Originally Posted By Hank:
Meh, I'm a pussycat.

I will recommend 5/3/1 if you want to start getting your strength on, though.

Thanks, homey- and good luck to you as well.


I have been doing starting strength and have been pleased so far. When I hit a wall with that I'll probably try Wendler.

Aren't you near Memphis? Dropping a few pounds is probably a good idea.... Less of a target at a drive by
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Posted: 5/8/2012 6:07:39 PM
Yessir, in Memphis proper. Just another hard pipe hitting >African American< with a bolt cutter and a blow torch.

But Caucasian.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 7:38:41 PM
There's a lot of sugar in peanut butter and BBQ sauce. I'd recommend getting your protein from a wider variety of sources and limiting the protein shakes to just one per day and that's if you can find a high quality protein powder. I eat a lot of chicken but also have added a variety of fish to my diet. Salmon, cod, and talapia are all good sources. I also do some ground turkey and use it for a variety of meals throughout the week. Limit your carb intake to mornings and post workout, but there's no need to eliminate good complex carbs altogether. Brown rice, oats, and sweet potatoes are all good sources of complex carbs. You also might want to look into doing a cyclic ketogenic diet instead of just going completely ketogenic. After a couple of weeks without carbs you're going to find your energy levels have dropped and you'll be very lethargic. It makes it had to really get after it in the gym. Doing a cyclic ketogenic diet where you're doing a re-feed every week is much more conducive to retaining muscle mass and strength while still burning fat at a high rate.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/cyclical_ketogenic_diet.htm
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