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Posted: 9/19/2011 12:22:26 PM
[Last Edit: 9/19/2011 3:46:18 PM by GoatBoy]

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We are launching the first upgrade to the Equipment Exchange system today, automated feedback. The feedback system works in a very simple manner. Within each listing, the seller will be able to give out feedback to a user he sells an item to, assuming that user posts in the listing. In return, buyers must post in a listing in order to leave the seller their feedback. All feedback is viewable within each person's profile. Additionally, their feedback score summary will be shown with every post they make.

A secondary system is in place for staff to assist with feedback disputes. Staff members have the ability to review, disable, and delete feedback as needed. This allows us to step in, fix a problem, and adjust the feedback if needed.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 12:30:24 PM
Sweet! How is the feedback we already have going to fit into this? I'm also curious about the feedback in the current feedback thread, I know I have some in there, will that be counted and added even though this is up now?
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Posted: 9/19/2011 12:33:27 PM
Originally Posted By bennnn:
Sweet! How is the feedback we already have going to fit into this? I'm also curious about the feedback in the current feedback thread, I know I have some in there, will that be counted and added even though this is up now?


+1 to this.

I'm also interested in how we handle feedback at this point. A lot of times, folks don't post in the actual EE thread. They simply IM the user and it's done that way. Seems a bit of a hassle to request that they post in the thread so as to complete a feedback transaction.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 12:44:10 PM
Please tell me we're not going to loose the feedback we've already acquired
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Posted: 9/19/2011 12:46:44 PM
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Originally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By bennnn:
Sweet! How is the feedback we already have going to fit into this? I'm also curious about the feedback in the current feedback thread, I know I have some in there, will that be counted and added even though this is up now?


+1 to this.

I'm also interested in how we handle feedback at this point. A lot of times, folks don't post in the actual EE thread. They simply IM the user and it's done that way. Seems a bit of a hassle to request that they post in the thread so as to complete a feedback transaction.


1) Old Feedback will be input into the system by the staff. It will be marked clearly as being part of the old system for reference. (No comments in the old system at this point, just the feedback numbers.)

2) Posting is a requirement for a number of reasons, the most important of which is accuracy and security. Users can only leave 1 feedback per item in the listing, although at this time each individual listing is a single item. The new system will allow for multiple items to be put within a single post and recognized as such. The feedback numbers will also be calculated differently once that system is in place to lower the value of multiple purchases from a single listing. (Devaluation of repeat feedback and increased value from different people.) The point of that is to create a more realistic representation of feedback. (Getting 200 +1 from 1 guy isn't as valuable as getting 200 +1 from 200 people.)


The system will undergo changes as we use it and find better ways to collect and calculate it. With the new EE system, it will be more integrated and make more sense on multiple item posts.

The next update will be the automated management system for ads which will remove bumping via posts and allow for conversations to take place in listings. The management side will create a tool for automatic ad "bumps" as well as viewing all your ads in one place for easy closing, editing, and updating.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:01:35 PM
Not really a big deal to me, but will this affect the style of thread where a seller keeps the same thread going long term, adding more items as they become available?

For example, someone has a brass ad. They sell a portion of it, keep adding and subtract items over months, and the same person buys more down the road.

I personally have enough feedback at this point that I don't care about getting it for myself. I'm just wondering if that will mean I would only be able to give that buyer positive feedback once since it's all in the same thread. Would the feedback still be devalued if the multiple items are bought separately months apart?
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:03:37 PM

Originally Posted By GoatBoy:
Originally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By bennnn:
Sweet! How is the feedback we already have going to fit into this? I'm also curious about the feedback in the current feedback thread, I know I have some in there, will that be counted and added even though this is up now?


+1 to this.

I'm also interested in how we handle feedback at this point. A lot of times, folks don't post in the actual EE thread. They simply IM the user and it's done that way. Seems a bit of a hassle to request that they post in the thread so as to complete a feedback transaction.


1) Old Feedback will be input into the system by the staff. It will be marked clearly as being part of the old system for reference. (No comments in the old system at this point, just the feedback numbers.)

2) Posting is a requirement for a number of reasons, the most important of which is accuracy and security. Users can only leave 1 feedback per item in the listing, although at this time each individual listing is a single item. The new system will allow for multiple items to be put within a single post and recognized as such. The feedback numbers will also be calculated differently once that system is in place to lower the value of multiple purchases from a single listing. (Devaluation of repeat feedback and increased value from different people.) The point of that is to create a more realistic representation of feedback. (Getting 200 +1 from 1 guy isn't as valuable as getting 200 +1 from 200 people.)


The system will undergo changes as we use it and find better ways to collect and calculate it. With the new EE system, it will be more integrated and make more sense on multiple item posts.

The next update will be the automated management system for ads which will remove bumping via posts and allow for conversations to take place in listings. The management side will create a tool for automatic ad "bumps" as well as viewing all your ads in one place for easy closing, editing, and updating.

Excellent idea
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:11:18 PM
What about buyers or sellers who refuse to put feedback? Does this system correct that?
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Originally Posted By 11bravo01:
What about buyers or sellers who refuse to put feedback? Does this system correct that?


I don't see how it could. The system can't confirm if the buyer or seller had a positive experience.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:14:24 PM
Originally Posted By PA452:
Not really a big deal to me, but will this affect the style of thread where a seller keeps the same thread going long term, adding more items as they become available?

For example, someone has a brass ad. They sell a portion of it, keep adding and subtract items over months, and the same person buys more down the road.

I personally have enough feedback at this point that I don't care about getting it for myself. I'm just wondering if that will mean I would only be able to give that buyer positive feedback once since it's all in the same thread. Would the feedback still be devalued if the multiple items are bought separately months apart?



The idea for these is to move to a more transactional based system to enable all this automation. In a thread like that, the user could update their quantity and keep the thread going, but again the limit would be 1 user per item feedback. So if you bought twice from him, you would only leave him 1 feedback and vice-versa.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:15:39 PM
Originally Posted By PA452:
Originally Posted By 11bravo01:
What about buyers or sellers who refuse to put feedback? Does this system correct that?


I don't see how it could. The system can't confirm if the buyer or seller had a positive experience.


Correct. Even now taking +1 from IM is common, but via email is less frequent. So having to post in a thread is not a huge additional step.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:17:41 PM
I am new to the EE . seems a bit confusing but I will take a harder look at it tonight. I do like the idea of feedback being more visible.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:18:38 PM
Great idea and glad to see a simpler feedback system come to fruition!
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:20:09 PM
I like it. Give some more accountability to flippers, as they cannot as easily hide all of their purchases. I'm sure some tin foil hatters will protest.

Can't wait to give it a go.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:45:48 PM
I'm just glad I won't have to keep going to the feedback thread and finding the person's name.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 1:53:04 PM
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I like the look of this:





Too bad I already gave him feedback for that purchase.

ETA: Just looking at the layout. I did not enter that feedback.
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Awesome.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 2:06:01 PM
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I like the look of this:

http://i.imgur.com/IUwtV.jpg



Too bad I already gave him feedback for that purchase.



Please don't go back to give out feedback that has been given through the old system. We will lock accounts for doing that.

If you haven't given feedback yet, please use the new system to do so.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 2:12:51 PM
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Originally Posted By PA452:
I like the look of this:

http://i.imgur.com/IUwtV.jpg



Too bad I already gave him feedback for that purchase.



Please don't go back to give out feedback that has been given through the old system. We will lock accounts for doing that.

If you haven't given feedback yet, please use the new system to do so.


Oh I won't (and didn't). I was just looking at the layout.
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Posted: 9/19/2011 2:17:14 PM
So why not lock the old one so you cant?
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Posted: 9/19/2011 2:32:27 PM
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Originally Posted By dnmccoy:
So why not lock the old one so you cant?


If you're talking to me, I'm not going to be giving anyone a double-dose of feedback for the same purchase.

If you're speaking in general, a lot of threads sell multiple items, including the one I referenced above. You'd have to go back and lock all EE threads that occurred before the transition I think to cover it.

Hopefully people have enough integrity to not double-dip.
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No no no, I meant lock the old feedback thread so no more can be left except on the new system
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Posted: 9/19/2011 2:36:27 PM
Hypothetical situation.

Let's say I post "what's this worth" in Gen Firearms Discussion.

I get an IM from another member saying it's worth X and he'd like to buy it.

Would then I need to create a WTS ad and then go through this process?
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Posted: 9/19/2011 2:40:27 PM
Originally Posted By dnmccoy:
No no no, I meant lock the old feedback thread so no more can be left except on the new system


Ah, ok.

I gave that guy feedback a week or two ago.
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