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Posted: 8/13/2017 1:39:18 PM EDT
I've been looking through the sticky thread on the popular recommendations. Part of being so extensive though, is the overwhelming research for each option.
I would like something in the $400-$600 range. I would like 12x or more on the upper end of the magnification. This is destined for my 6.5 grendel ar build with an 18" barrel, so I would like something to accommodate shooting 800+ yards. I know my budget might be a little low, but I don't mind buying used, or patiently waiting on sales. From the reading I've done, I like the Viper HS, or the PST line, but the Leupold mark ar seems like an equally viable option. What would you choose? |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 6:48:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2017 8:37:25 AM EDT
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What is your current scope lacking that you wish to upgrade? $400-600 is not much of an upgrade.
If the one you have works, I would suggest waiting until you can up your budget at least a couple hundred dollars. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2017 9:06:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
What is your current scope lacking that you wish to upgrade? $400-600 is not much of an upgrade. If the one you have works, I would suggest waiting until you can up your budget at least a couple hundred dollars. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2017 9:37:47 AM EDT
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http://aaoptics.com/REFURBISHED--VIPER-PST-6-24X50-RIFLESCOPE_p_250.html
This one is in my budget ($500) The 6-24x50 looks to be a solid step up in magnification. Vortex has a good reputation for clear glass, I'd expect this scope to fit that reputation....? The max elevation adjustment is 65 moa, that seems to be pretty sufficient, but I've never personally shot to the distances I hope to be in the near future. Can anyone give me advice on this? The 50mm objective lense would lend to good light gathering qualities at dawn/dusk, unless I'm misunderstanding. This might be the scope I jump on, if my suspicion is correct that this would in deed offer a better shooting experience to the distances I want to attempt, versus my current 4-12x44. |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 10:22:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By
The max elevation adjustment is 65 moa, that seems to be pretty sufficient, but I've never personally shot to the distances I hope to be in the near future. Can anyone give me advice on this? You may or may not have enough. What load will you shoot and what is the velocity? The 50mm objective means that the exit pupil diameter will be larger than your 44mm at a given magnification. This can appear to be brighter. Your 44mm at 12x is going to have a 3.7mm exit pupil. A 50mm at 12x is going to have a 4.2mm exit pupil. So with the 50mm at 12x, more light will cover the pupil of your eye making the image appear brighter. Now both of them at 6x will probably look the same where the benefit of the large objective is concerned, at 6x the exit pupil of both scopes will be larger than the pupil of your eye. |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 2:11:56 PM EDT
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I don't know if you hunt or are familiar with the Meat Eater series, but they did a podcast episode with some guys from Vortex and adressed several common magnification questions, talked about actual benefits of objective size, and what people look for in a scope.
The podcast is free... you might want to check it out. IIRC the guys agreed that around a 4-16x is their preferred do-all magnification. After listening to the show my next hunting scope will be 3-12 or 4-16. |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 2:13:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
That means you have 32.5moa of elevation +/- depending on where everything "points". You may or may not have enough. What load will you shoot and what is the velocity? The 50mm objective means that the exit pupil diameter will be larger than your 44mm at a given magnification. This can appear to be brighter. Your 44mm at 12x is going to have a 3.7mm exit pupil. A 50mm at 12x is going to have a 4.2mm exit pupil. So with the 50mm at 12x, more light will cover the pupil of your eye making the image appear brighter. Now both of them at 6x will probably look the same where the benefit of the large objective is concerned, at 6x the exit pupil of both scopes will be larger than the pupil of your eye. I was going to post this. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2017 3:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
That means you have 32.5moa of elevation +/- depending on where everything "points". You may or may not have enough. What load will you shoot and what is the velocity? The 50mm objective means that the exit pupil diameter will be larger than your 44mm at a given magnification. This can appear to be brighter. Your 44mm at 12x is going to have a 3.7mm exit pupil. A 50mm at 12x is going to have a 4.2mm exit pupil. So with the 50mm at 12x, more light will cover the pupil of your eye making the image appear brighter. Now both of them at 6x will probably look the same where the benefit of the large objective is concerned, at 6x the exit pupil of both scopes will be larger than the pupil of your eye. |
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Posted: 8/14/2017 5:59:19 PM EDT
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Something to keep in mind on the 6-24 FFP, is if you run out travel you can always hold some to get the rest of the way. You can do this as well with SFP, but it adds another varible being the zoom setting.
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Posted: 8/15/2017 8:15:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ammon:
I hope to be shooting 123gr out of an 18 inch barrel, with velocity around 2430. If 123gr doesn't perform well, I'll venture to either 120gr or 129. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ammon:
Originally Posted By popnfresh:
That means you have 32.5moa of elevation +/- depending on where everything "points". You may or may not have enough. What load will you shoot and what is the velocity? The 50mm objective means that the exit pupil diameter will be larger than your 44mm at a given magnification. This can appear to be brighter. Your 44mm at 12x is going to have a 3.7mm exit pupil. A 50mm at 12x is going to have a 4.2mm exit pupil. So with the 50mm at 12x, more light will cover the pupil of your eye making the image appear brighter. Now both of them at 6x will probably look the same where the benefit of the large objective is concerned, at 6x the exit pupil of both scopes will be larger than the pupil of your eye. If you already have a mount you can try it, zero at 100yds, then see how much elevation you have left. The image quality can be reduced at the extreme limits of a scope, it is best to not have the poorer image at the longest ranges. A 20moa mount, even if you don't technically need it, will keep you away from the extremes at long range. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2017 11:56:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
Well with that you will be lucky to be able to dial to 800yds. You will need about 30moa of elevation. I would recommend a 20moa mount. If you already have a mount you can try it, zero at 100yds, then see how much elevation you have left. The image quality can be reduced at the extreme limits of a scope, it is best to not have the poorer image at the longest ranges. A 20moa mount, even if you don't technically need it, will keep you away from the extremes at long range. |
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Posted: 8/16/2017 2:23:32 PM EDT
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I am also interested in the PST 6-24x50 SFP for my 18" 5.56 AR. I just can't decide if I'll be happy with SFP or not. I made some hits on a 12"x20" steel silhouette at 800 yards with a PST 1-4 and now I'm hooked
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GA, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2017 8:17:16 AM EDT
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I'd spend just a little more and get a Sightron SIII. I've been looking at something in this range and by most accounts you won't beat their glass for the price.
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Posted: 8/18/2017 8:32:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Hammer:
I am also interested in the PST 6-24x50 SFP for my 18" 5.56 AR. I just can't decide if I'll be happy with SFP or not. I made some hits on a 12"x20" steel silhouette at 800 yards with a PST 1-4 and now I'm hooked You'll want a 20MOA mount. A 100yds zero is possible with the mount, but you'll be at bottom of the adjustment range. At longer ranges I tend to use the 20x magnification and at shorter distances (300yds) I'm somewhere in the 14-16x range. It's nice to be able to use the ebr-2c article at any magnification. I think FFP is worth the additional cost if you can swing it. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 10:20:03 PM EDT
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The 4-16 HS-T will be light years better than the 4-12x44 Crossfire Ii.
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