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Posted: 5/10/2017 10:22:24 PM EDT
Hey guys,
I'm trying to order my base and rings and just want to confirm before I do. I am going to be running a Leupold MK4 8.5-25x50mm, Badger 20 moa base and Badger rings. When I use the scope ring height calculator it tells me I can use the standard height (.823) rings? I just saw on another thread people recommending medium or high rings for 50mm scopes, and wanted to make sure. |
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When I run the calculator on your setup, I get a NO-GO for the standard height rings. What numbers are you plugging in for the various parameters?
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What rifle?
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It is hard to say without the rifle and possibly even barrel profile dimensions. I would mount your base and mock it up with your scope. Then measure. Then you can figure it out with your cheek weld, eye relief set correctly, etc. guessing the forward rearward scope movement on a tapered barrel could be the difference between be working and reselling your rings for taller ones.
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Knowing rifle would help as Badger makes some different bases but assuming a Rem 700 then I would go with the .885" height rings so you have room for caps.
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Knowing rifle would help as Badger makes some different bases but assuming a Rem 700 then I would go with the .885" height rings so you have room for caps. View Quote I know that you are an experienced precision shooter... so, at the risk of being accused of hijacking the thread, I'd like to ask you a question on the topic of ring height... When setting up a hunting rifle which will be used to take medium sized game at distances less than say 300 yards and which is zeroed and then used in the field without any additions adjustments, I understand that it is advantageous to have the optical axis of your scope as close to the bore axis as possible... but in precision distance shooting where you will be dialling in a firing solution and holding dead on (except for maybe wind hold off) at any distance out to the effective range of your cartridge, Does how close the optical axis is to the bore axis (within reason) really matter at all??? In my most recent build, I mounted my scope with a generous amount of room between the barrel and the objective bell (sunshade/ARD) for the ease of the installation, the comfort of getting behind the scope while shooting, and the leeway between the rear of the scope and the bolt lever. My thinking was that since I will be chronographing my rounds and then going to a ballistic calculator where you input all the data (including sight height above the bore)... the ballistic calculator will take all the data into account and produce a ballistic table that will be accurate out to whichever distance in whichever increments that you asked for... as a result, I don't understand why (some) precision shooters even try to mount scopes so low... Thanx in advance for your comments/wisdom... - R - |
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Originally Posted By Reorx:
Rob; I know that you are an experienced precision shooter... so, at the risk of being accused of hijacking the thread, I'd like to ask you a question on the topic of ring height... When setting up a hunting rifle which will be used to take medium sized game at distances less than say 300 yards and which is zeroed and then used in the field without any additions adjustments, I understand that it is advantageous to have the optical axis of your scope as close to the bore axis as possible... but in precision distance shooting where you will be dialling in a firing solution and holding dead on (except for maybe wind hold off) at any distance out to the effective range of your cartridge, Does how close the optical axis is to the bore axis (within reason) really matter at all??? In my most recent build, I mounted my scope with a generous amount of room between the barrel and the objective bell (sunshade/ARD) for the ease of the installation, the comfort of getting behind the scope while shooting, and the leeway between the rear of the scope and the bolt lever. My thinking was that since I will be chronographing my rounds and then going to a ballistic calculator where you input all the data (including sight height above the bore)... the ballistic calculator will take all the data into account and produce a ballistic table that will be accurate out to whichever distance in whichever increments that you asked for... as a result, I don't understand why precision shooters even try to mount scopes so low... Thanx in advance for your comments/wisdom... - R - View Quote have cant. If you are canted the higher height above bore effects bore offset more. If you are plumb with your reticle and bore and Earth then you can mount your scope 10" high. Mounting low is more for proper cheek weld. Adjustable comb stocks are more popular now so cheek weld is less of an issue. One of my rifles has a 35moa base, MTU profile barrel and 56mm objective but a conventional stock so I wanted that scope as low as possible due to the huge amount I needed to build up the comb. |
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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
It doesn't really matter provided you don't have cant. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By popnfresh:
Mounting low is more for proper cheek weld. Adjustable comb stocks are more popular now so cheek weld is less of an issue. Originally Posted By popnfresh:
One of my rifles has a 35moa base, MTU profile barrel and 56mm objective but a conventional stock so I wanted that scope as low as possible due to the huge amount I needed to build up the comb. Thanx again for the wisdom popnfresh! |
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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
It doesn't really matter provided you don't have cant. If you are canted the higher height above bore effects bore offset more. If you are plumb with your reticle and bore and Earth then you can mount your scope 10" high. Mounting low is more for proper cheek weld. Adjustable comb stocks are more popular now so cheek weld is less of an issue. One of my rifles has a 35moa base, MTU profile barrel and 56mm objective but a conventional stock so I wanted that scope as low as possible due to the huge amount I needed to build up the comb. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By popnfresh:
Originally Posted By Reorx:
Rob; I know that you are an experienced precision shooter... so, at the risk of being accused of hijacking the thread, I'd like to ask you a question on the topic of ring height... When setting up a hunting rifle which will be used to take medium sized game at distances less than say 300 yards and which is zeroed and then used in the field without any additions adjustments, I understand that it is advantageous to have the optical axis of your scope as close to the bore axis as possible... but in precision distance shooting where you will be dialling in a firing solution and holding dead on (except for maybe wind hold off) at any distance out to the effective range of your cartridge, Does how close the optical axis is to the bore axis (within reason) really matter at all??? In my most recent build, I mounted my scope with a generous amount of room between the barrel and the objective bell (sunshade/ARD) for the ease of the installation, the comfort of getting behind the scope while shooting, and the leeway between the rear of the scope and the bolt lever. My thinking was that since I will be chronographing my rounds and then going to a ballistic calculator where you input all the data (including sight height above the bore)... the ballistic calculator will take all the data into account and produce a ballistic table that will be accurate out to whichever distance in whichever increments that you asked for... as a result, I don't understand why precision shooters even try to mount scopes so low... Thanx in advance for your comments/wisdom... - R - have cant. If you are canted the higher height above bore effects bore offset more. If you are plumb with your reticle and bore and Earth then you can mount your scope 10" high. Mounting low is more for proper cheek weld. Adjustable comb stocks are more popular now so cheek weld is less of an issue. One of my rifles has a 35moa base, MTU profile barrel and 56mm objective but a conventional stock so I wanted that scope as low as possible due to the huge amount I needed to build up the comb. Stocks with adjustable combs make it easier if you are a little higher up but a good stock pack with additional build up like the Triad stock pack makes it easy on non adjustables as well. More about comfort and getting a good sight picture and cheek weld when on the rifle. |
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Here you go.
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Originally Posted By popnfresh:
My setup, you can see my scope in nearly touching the barrel and my cheek rest is maxed out. Don't really have room for another 1/4" height unless I want to really create a house of cards. View Quote Nice rig... obviously designed with some serious distance in mind... what caliber? (to my eye) It looks like a R700 SA but that seems unlikely (to my brain)... |
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The rifle is 700 5R with the 20" threaded stainless factory barrel.
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Originally Posted By Reorx:
...or change your stock to something completely different. Nice rig... obviously designed with some serious distance in mind... what caliber? (to my eye) It looks like a R700 SA but that seems unlikely (to my brain)... View Quote My rings pictured there are 1.102" height but keep in mind the heavy barrel is about a 1/4" larger diameter at the objective bell than the factory 700 SPS barrel(56mm objective). |
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