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For a factory gasser GAP or JP have the best rep. Might check out Seekins as well.
John McQuay from 8541 Tactical on YouTube has several videos going over his 6.5 AR build. He has had issues with it throwing flyers and he is a pretty knowledgeable dude. I would recommend buying the GAP or JP. If you ever decide to sell they will hold value. A parts gun will always just be a parts gun no matter how high end the parts. I dont know what GAP's wait is on them now but JP's website quotes 3-4 months for a custom build or one week if you take their 22" 6.5 model they stock. |
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I would look for something with an ELGS +2 whatever you do.
I've been down this route a few times and have helped many who were about to go down it. JP sells barrels with +2" ELGS, and they are great barrels. Port pressure is way high if you go RLGS. Especially since you are shooting suppressed, I would almost insist that you go ELGS with adjustable gas somewhere in the system, preferably away from the port. I would look at the Savage MSR-10 and pre-order if you can if you don't go JP or GAP. It's set up from the start with ELGS, adjustable cylinder gas, PRS, 2-stage trigger, lightweight free float MLOK tube, side charger, small frame receiver set that feels like an AR15, and a quality nitrided barrel. My GAP .260 shoots like a dream with a Bartlein pipe unitized to the upper and the gas block blended to the shoulder. 22" laser gun it is, especially with 130gr VLD. First loads out of the gate all shot .6" and down into the .4s, all 5rd groups. The only thing I wish I had for my current .260 Rem is a longer gas system, a small frame receiver set (wasn't available at the time), affordable factory ammo (Hornady just introduced 130gr ELD-M), and a tunable gas system with SCS. If I could have those features, it would get shot a lot more. Since I have so many 6.5 Grendels, I haven't shot my .260 in years now. |
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Originally Posted By JCIN:
For a factory gasser GAP or JP have the best rep. Might check out Seekins as well. John McQuay from 8541 Tactical on YouTube has several videos going over his 6.5 AR build. He has had issues with it throwing flyers and he is a pretty knowledgeable dude. I would recommend buying the GAP or JP. If you ever decide to sell they will hold value. A parts gun will always just be a parts gun no matter how high end the parts. I dont know what GAP's wait is on them now but JP's website quotes 3-4 months for a custom build or one week if you take their 22" 6.5 model they stock. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Torchy:
I'm getting the itch for a nice long range rig in AR10 platform. I've been a member here since 2008 and back in 08 I knew the AR10 world well. Haven't dove into the large frame AR world since so I'm rusty and I know a lot has changed since then. Wanting to shoot 1000-1500yards (maybe even a mile just for fun because I like to push the envelope). I reload and have every tool needed to build one but I keep seeing a lot of people say to just buy it, which is more against what I'd like to do but I do want the finished product to work very well. If buying over building yields a better outcome then fine by me. Either way I know it'll take 4-8 months for a barrel or a full build soooo time isn't a huge factor. If I buy I am looking at a GAP10 and can get one for under $3000, which to me seems pretty good. Oh and if I build it'll only be premium parts. I don't want to build and it cost me $1,000-$2,000 more than a buy. I've built a few .223 AR's and while they have came out great, they didn't come out cheap. I already own the can and the glass, just need the host and if it makes a difference it'll only be shot suppressed. So 3 questions: Ken at GAP told me their 6.5C barrel (Bartlein) will only last 3000 rounds with great accuracy. That sound right? 3000 for comp, 5000 for better than Who else should I consider for a full build? Scott Medesha @ Speak with the wife, Laurie Who should I consider to do my barrel if I build? I currently have a 6.5G barrel coming from Precision Firearms and not sure if I use them again. Speak with George Smith @ Evolution Gun Works Or do I say to hell with all of it and just get a NEMO 300win mag? Not no BUTT!!! hell no. View Quote Grendel can't play in this field: 1-1.5K and even think of BUTT!!! I would foot the whole food & alcohol tab every da-da-damn time LRRPF52 would let me, at what ever venue. no homo |
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Not so fast on Grendel for 1-1.5k
6.5 Grendel at 1305 yards and 6.5 Grendel vs. milk jug at 1,513 yards Not saying Creedmoor would not have longer legs, just that a Grendel can apparently make it that far too. |
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What you need is a JP LRP 07 in .260 or Creedmoor.
You won't find any AR that is more accurate. Not many will even measure up to the JP, no shit. When he builds rifles, he doesn't mess around. |
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Originally Posted By Andielouroo:
I built mine on a Mega MaTen receiver set and am happy I built instead of bought. http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/jerkeejoe/6.520ar_zps4g4fimj7.jpg View Quote Still looking at all my options. Def some good info in here. Oh and why not the nemo? |
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I believe this is the exact set I used: MaTen Set with an SLR adjustable gas block and a 20" Ballistic Advantage barrel. Shoots factory Hornady stuff just a hair under 1 MOA. Haven't had a chance to work up any loads yet, but hope to make it shoot a bit better.
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Originally Posted By FALex:
What you need is a JP LRP 07 in .260 or Creedmoor. You won't find any AR that is more accurate. Not many will even measure up to the JP, no shit. When he builds rifles, he doesn't mess around. View Quote George Smith and/or Scott Medesha... where the heck do you recon JP got his dope from, technically? Besides backward engineering ARMALITE products? It's a heck of a story of what Mark Westrom did with purchasing the whole kit and kaboodal and using CAD in the mid-90's. Out of the Box, JP is not a RFA. That's wRong Frakin' Answer for those in Rio Linda or non-Large Frame AR Land. Even GAP first used ARMALITE receivers and barrel extensions. |
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87% of ARFCOM built bird houses in woodshop for their higher free electives.
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Originally Posted By Ronnoc:
Not so fast on Grendel for 1-1.5k 6.5 Grendel at 1305 yards and 6.5 Grendel vs. milk jug at 1,513 yards Not saying Creedmoor would not have longer legs, just that a Grendel can apparently make it that far too. View Quote Most can't even have fun. |
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87% of ARFCOM built bird houses in woodshop for their higher free electives.
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Originally Posted By DaveS:
JP is fine kit, BUTT!!! George Smith and/or Scott Medesha... where the heck do you recon JP got his dope from, technically? Besides backward engineering ARMALITE products? It's a heck of a story of what Mark Westrom did with purchasing the whole kit and kaboodal and using CAD in the mid-90's. Out of the Box, JP is not a RFA. That's wRong Frakin' Answer for those in Rio Linda or non-Large Frame AR Land. Even GAP first used ARMALITE receivers and barrel extensions. View Quote Not trying to start a shit storm, just trying to interpret what you put out there. I am vaguely aware of Medesha, but not George Smith. |
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Thanks for the input guys. I just ordered a GAP10. I feel like I'm taking the easy way out but they are basically exactly what I want. I honestly can't find a high end barrel maker that I trust even if you take money out of the equation.
They will do a plus 2 inch gas system and they're going to have a custom made Seekins m-lok rail instead of weiner-mod made for me. Pretty sweet |
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Originally Posted By Torchy:
Thanks for the input guys. I just ordered a GAP10. I feel like I'm taking the easy way out but they are basically exactly what I want. I honestly can't find a high end barrel maker that I trust even if you take money out of the equation. They will do a plus 2 inch gas system and they're going to have a custom made Seekins m-lok rail instead of weiner-mod made for me. Pretty sweet View Quote |
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Originally Posted By FALex:
A great choice, nonetheless! What caliber did you end up going with? You're going to be one happy camper once this rig gets to you. You may even be quite surprised at the precision you'll see out of it. Do you happen to know what gas block GAP will be using on your rifle? I have a first generation JP AGB on my LRP and it is the only component of JP's you'll read me bitching about. In fact, they must've recognized it as an issue as well because their new AGB's are awesome. This first generation one is no good. The adjustment screw is stuck like a son of a bitch. Probably has a mountain of carbon built up on it...I'm looking at an SLR or the new gen by JP. View Quote Anyone know what mags I'll use? Magpul have a mag for this gun/cal? They don't mention a 6.5C mag on their site:/ |
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Originally Posted By Torchy:
Good to hear! I ended up with a 6.5C. Gap uses a SLR adjustable. I have 4 AR15's with SLR adjustables and they work great. Pretty much the only one I'll use. The secret to keeping them from locking up is to adjust them from fully open to closed then back to your desired setting every 100-200 rounds or so. Due to that fact, SLR is my favorite because their adjustment knobs are easy to get to. Anyone know what mags I'll use? Magpul have a mag for this gun/cal? They don't mention a 6.5C mag on their site:/ View Quote |
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Sheep, Sheepdog or Wolf? What are you?
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Originally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Magpul LR/SR 25 .308 mags or the m118's to handle a seating depth of 2.830. View Quote |
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