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Are any of you 6.5 guys using the complete aa uppers? Curious if anyone likes the mk 10 hand guards. Any thoughts on durability?
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I've been blessed with many things in this life: an arm like a damn rocket, a cock like a burmese python, and the mind of a fucking scientist.
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Originally Posted By Wulfp3ngwin:
Are any of you 6.5 guys using the complete aa uppers? Curious if anyone likes the mk 10 hand guards. Any thoughts on durability? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By kabal57:
Reading the same quote or sentence some random forum member said one time doesn't make much sense to me, but whatever. |
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Originally Posted By IndyGrendel63:
I guess I'll be the guinea pig on this one I'll let you know how it turns out. BTW, nice truck in your avatar... assuming it's a chevy (mr. Bowtie) kinda hard to tell from that awesome artwork. . Just kidding did your kid draw that? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By mbtech:
Build inspired by this thread sighted then shot 4, 5 round groups, for an average of .88 moa factory 123 amax http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q379/mbtech2017/DSC_0648_zpsnubkjmqm.jpg http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q379/mbtech2017/20170326_191508_zpsei3b4ze4.jpg http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q379/mbtech2017/20170326_191727_zpsxxa5hgn2.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By mbtech:
Build inspired by this thread sighted then shot 4, 5 round groups, for an average of .88 moa factory 123 amax http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q379/mbtech2017/DSC_0648_zpsnubkjmqm.jpg http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q379/mbtech2017/20170326_191508_zpsei3b4ze4.jpg http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q379/mbtech2017/20170326_191727_zpsxxa5hgn2.jpg View Quote |
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20" Black Hole Weaponry barrel and bolt. .264LBC with matched bolt. (everyone was sold out of sammi grendel barrels at the time and I was impatient)
Aero precision 15" quantum handguard. Aero precision upper Anderson lower Geissele SSA-E trigger PRS stock Larue 20moa mount Vortex PST 4-16x FFP Harris bipod I think that covers all the major stuff. |
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AR15/AR10 student since 1980s
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I "LOVE" that paint job! How hard was that to paint?
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Disregard.
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Originally Posted By mbtech:
Well, it's actually Krylon. I used the broken glass stencil kit from weaponstencils.com It took a couple of days. I sprayed a base layer with 2 shades FDE type colors. I let that cure then placed the stencils and blended the rest on. After that cured overnight I pulled the stencils. It took a few hours to get everything taped and stencils placed. The actual painting went faster. I think I'll do the next one with duracoat. I wanted to try with spray paint first because it's easy to remove if I didn't like the result. View Quote |
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[#17]
Well, after waffling back and forth between .308 bolt, .308 gas, or 6.5G, I've finally decided on the Grendel.
Here's what I've got so far. Attached File Still trying to decide on barrel. Probably going to be 18", either Lilja, JP, or Christensen Arms. May go the CA route to save some weight, this damn Razor is a pig. |
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@LRRPF52
I've been doing some research on barrels all night and I'm coming up kind of stuck. Where I sit right now and the options I'm looking at: - JP 18" MLGS - My only concern here is with what looks like a relatively light profile. This will be shot suppressed and primarily for precision target shooting (steel and paper), so I'm worried the lighter profile may not be my best option. - Odin 18"ILGS - My concern here is with their previous recall with FUBARed chambers. I know their website states they're using SAAMI chambers now, but I found one in stock at Joe Bobs, just not sure if it's a new or old stock barrel. Has Odin always used SAAMI chambers? - Lilja 319 - I really like this option, but weight is kind of up there (although I guess the Odin is similar in weight). What are your thoughts? The Odin is significantly cheaper than the other two (and it comes with a BCG), but it's not worth it to me if they're still using incorrect chambers or have known issues. |
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
@LRRPF52 I've been doing some research on barrels all night and I'm coming up kind of stuck. Where I sit right now and the options I'm looking at: - JP 18" MLGS - My only concern here is with what looks like a relatively light profile. This will be shot suppressed and primarily for precision target shooting (steel and paper), so I'm worried the lighter profile may not be my best option. - Odin 18"ILGS - My concern here is with their previous recall with FUBARed chambers. I know their website states they're using SAAMI chambers now, but I found one in stock at Joe Bobs, just not sure if it's a new or old stock barrel. Has Odin always used SAAMI chambers? - Lilja 319 - I really like this option, but weight is kind of up there (although I guess the Odin is similar in weight). What are your thoughts? The Odin is significantly cheaper than the other two (and it comes with a BCG), but it's not worth it to me if they're still using incorrect chambers or have known issues. View Quote |
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[#20]
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
@LRRPF52 I've been doing some research on barrels all night and I'm coming up kind of stuck. Where I sit right now and the options I'm looking at: - JP 18" MLGS - My only concern here is with what looks like a relatively light profile. This will be shot suppressed and primarily for precision target shooting (steel and paper), so I'm worried the lighter profile may not be my best option. - Odin 18"ILGS - My concern here is with their previous recall with FUBARed chambers. I know their website states they're using SAAMI chambers now, but I found one in stock at Joe Bobs, just not sure if it's a new or old stock barrel. Has Odin always used SAAMI chambers? - Lilja 319 - I really like this option, but weight is kind of up there (although I guess the Odin is similar in weight). What are your thoughts? The Odin is significantly cheaper than the other two (and it comes with a BCG), but it's not worth it to me if they're still using incorrect chambers or have known issues. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By RePp:
You so fucking over thinking this. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
@LRRPF52 I've been doing some research on barrels all night and I'm coming up kind of stuck. Where I sit right now and the options I'm looking at: - JP 18" MLGS - My only concern here is with what looks like a relatively light profile. This will be shot suppressed and primarily for precision target shooting (steel and paper), so I'm worried the lighter profile may not be my best option. - Odin 18"ILGS - My concern here is with their previous recall with FUBARed chambers. I know their website states they're using SAAMI chambers now, but I found one in stock at Joe Bobs, just not sure if it's a new or old stock barrel. Has Odin always used SAAMI chambers? - Lilja 319 - I really like this option, but weight is kind of up there (although I guess the Odin is similar in weight). What are your thoughts? The Odin is significantly cheaper than the other two (and it comes with a BCG), but it's not worth it to me if they're still using incorrect chambers or have known issues. |
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I took my 18" Benchmark Grendel to the range yesterday to test 6 different factory loads. 5 were all 1/2 moa or less; one 10 shot group was one jagged hole. 20-30 mph headwind, I was surprised. The 107 load was 1moa+.
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That is a well thought out build.Shilen makes great barrels, I have used them on 5 F-class bolt guns and some AR's.
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
@LRRPF52 I've been doing some research on barrels all night and I'm coming up kind of stuck. Where I sit right now and the options I'm looking at: - JP 18" MLGS - My only concern here is with what looks like a relatively light profile. This will be shot suppressed and primarily for precision target shooting (steel and paper), so I'm worried the lighter profile may not be my best option. - Odin 18"ILGS - My concern here is with their previous recall with FUBARed chambers. I know their website states they're using SAAMI chambers now, but I found one in stock at Joe Bobs, just not sure if it's a new or old stock barrel. Has Odin always used SAAMI chambers? - Lilja 319 - I really like this option, but weight is kind of up there (although I guess the Odin is similar in weight). What are your thoughts? The Odin is significantly cheaper than the other two (and it comes with a BCG), but it's not worth it to me if they're still using incorrect chambers or have known issues. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By RJeff21:
@LRRPF52 I've been doing some research on barrels all night and I'm coming up kind of stuck. Where I sit right now and the options I'm looking at: - JP 18" MLGS - My only concern here is with what looks like a relatively light profile. This will be shot suppressed and primarily for precision target shooting (steel and paper), so I'm worried the lighter profile may not be my best option. - Odin 18"ILGS - My concern here is with their previous recall with FUBARed chambers. I know their website states they're using SAAMI chambers now, but I found one in stock at Joe Bobs, just not sure if it's a new or old stock barrel. Has Odin always used SAAMI chambers? - Lilja 319 - I really like this option, but weight is kind of up there (although I guess the Odin is similar in weight). What are your thoughts? The Odin is significantly cheaper than the other two (and it comes with a BCG), but it's not worth it to me if they're still using incorrect chambers or have known issues. View Quote JP makes great barrels, parts, and complete rifles. They have a rifle builder program too on the site. I've used several Lilja's over the past 3 years, and really like them. My go-to Grendel has a Lilja 318 barrel, which is about the same profile as the JPs, only MLGS. JP uses RLGS, which gives you more options if you want to suppress an 18". |
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Between those 2. The JP barrels are cryogenically treated, use high end steel, and one of the main goals JP had with them was be able to hold a 10rd group in an inch when heated, so they don't lose performance during competition. JP makes great barrels, parts, and complete rifles. They have a rifle builder program too on the site. I've used several Lilja's over the past 3 years, and really like them. My go-to Grendel has a Lilja 318 barrel, which is about the same profile as the JPs, only MLGS. JP uses RLGS, which gives you more options if you want to suppress an 18". View Quote |
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finally took mine out, only tried a vortex strikefire on it but planned to get some glass soon. Only shot the cheap stuff so far. Other than a couple feed issues on one mag. She ran pretty good. Fired 100 rounds
shot at short range only as that was the range available, standing only too. Think I want a bipod to. I have got a lot to learn. Attached File |
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A type 2 bolt face is .136, correct? I got an AA bolt as a spare and it says .136 bolt face. I have an Odin Works barrel and it is supposed to be type 2, just want to make sure on compatibility.
Anyone have any feeding problems with the AA 17 round mags? I have one with many misfeeds occurring. The 10 round AA and 10 round ASC mags worked fine. |
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Originally Posted By Brosome:
Got it all put together, got a few boxes of SSTs and ELDs to try out this weekend. Just need some dies, powder and bullets now.. http://i.imgur.com/p3vwvWP.jpg?1 View Quote Zero problems with ASC 15 rounders. Local shops ordering in some of the Hornady Black stuff for me to try out , probably won't be too much of a difference though. Only complaint I have on the barrel is the muzzle threads wasn't the best example of machining I've seen.. Burr/sharp edge on the first thread and last thread was broken at the very tail end. Everything cleaned up and appears to be fine as far as the threads being concentric but I don't have my can yet to really check better. I'll just have to remember to triple check the alignment before I shoot suppressed. The weight is really nice though, balances very, very well. |
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Originally Posted By Ronnoc:
Anyone have any feeding problems with the AA 17 round mags? I have one with many misfeeds occurring. The 10 round AA and 10 round ASC mags worked fine. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By kabal57:
Reading the same quote or sentence some random forum member said one time doesn't make much sense to me, but whatever. |
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Got a build with a 20" barrel/BCG combo from Odin Works that I'll zero this coming weekend.
Just got the 12.5" barrel & bolt for the AR pistol that'll get SBR'd. So, 2/3rds of my AR's will be 6.5 Grendel. |
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Originally Posted By maxxmojo:
I have a few AA 17 rounders from last year that function great and lock up as tight as the 10 and 24's that I ordered. I recently ordered some more 17's though and they're a little bit looser locking in. I've had a few feeding problems with them in my 16" Grendel with Wolf 100 grain, the nose of the bullets were getting jammed into the top of the chamber before the lugs. View Quote |
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You are correct on the bolt depths. .136=Type II. The AA bolt is .136 as are Odin's.
I just went through this conundrum with my Wilson Arms barrel from JSE. |
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Here are the different types of bolts:
AA 6.5 Grendel bolts, .136" bolt face, 2.810" bolt length, reinforced lug support, higher grade metallurgy and processes, destructively tested Bolts that adhere to the AA dimensions can be purchased from Precision Firearms, Maxim, JP, and the group buys on the forum. Les Baer used AA bolts or AA dimensioned bolts from the start. They are genuine 6.5 Grendel bolts. None of the terms starting with the word "Type" apply to them. Aftermarket bolts that have incorrect face depths, incorrect lengths, inferior metallurgy, inferior extractors, varying specs on testing if any. For example, you will see .125" face depth bolts that are varying in length, with weak extractor lips that will break. BHW called these bolts internal to their inventory "Type I", introduced at least a decade after 6.5 Grendel was already developed and introduced to the market in 2004. For someone to name a "Type 1" bolt after real Grendel bolts were the standard should not be confused with a market-wide standard, since that was internal to BHW. When people asked BHW for real Grendel chambers and bolts, for a limited time, they offered those, and chose to call them "Type II", as they were still learning the dims of what a real Grendel bolt is. I have seen imitation bolts that have a .136" face depth, but are either 2.800" long, or even 2.797" long, which won't work well with a standard firing pin due to excessive protrusion. This is how you can tell if someone knows what they are talking about when they make the claim that Grendel bolts are simply hogged out 5.56 bolts, because it isn't possible for that to be, as the 6.5 Grendel bolt is simply the Beowulf bolt dimensions, which was derived from the Colt 7.62x39 Sporter of the 1980s. Alexander Arms sources or manufactures parts from scratch to their specs, especially the bolts. Production 6.5 Grendel bolts have always been made to a data set that includes the deeper bolt face, a longer bolt for compatibility with standard firing pins, and certain metallurgy. |
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Here are the different types of bolts: AA 6.5 Grendel bolts, .136" bolt face, 2.810" bolt length, reinforced lug support, higher grade metallurgy and processes, destructively tested Bolts that adhere to the AA dimensions can be purchased from Precision Firearms, Maxim, JP, and the group buys on the forum. Les Baer used AA bolts or AA dimensioned bolts from the start. They are genuine 6.5 Grendel bolts. None of the terms starting with the word "Type" apply to them. Aftermarket bolts that have incorrect face depths, incorrect lengths, inferior metallurgy, inferior extractors, varying specs on testing if any. For example, you will see .125" face depth bolts that are varying in length, with weak extractor lips that will break. BHW called these bolts internal to their inventory "Type I", introduced at least a decade after 6.5 Grendel was already developed and introduced to the market in 2004. For someone to name a "Type 1" bolt after real Grendel bolts were the standard should not be confused with a market-wide standard, since that was internal to BHW. When people asked BHW for real Grendel chambers and bolts, for a limited time, they offered those, and chose to call them "Type II", as they were still learning the dims of what a real Grendel bolt is. I have seen imitation bolts that have a .136" face depth, but are either 2.800" long, or even 2.797" long, which won't work well with a standard firing pin due to excessive protrusion. This is how you can tell if someone knows what they are talking about when they make the claim that Grendel bolts are simply hogged out 5.56 bolts, because it isn't possible for that to be, as the 6.5 Grendel bolt is simply the Beowulf bolt dimensions, which was derived from the Colt 7.62x39 Sporter of the 1980s. Alexander Arms sources or manufacture parts from scratch to their specs, especially the bolts. Production 6.5 Grendel bolts have always been made to a data set that includes the deeper bolt face, a longer bolt for compatibility with standard firing pins, and certain metallurgy. View Quote |
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Great looking rifle and group, thanks for posting!
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Originally Posted By Ronnoc:
Ok, got my Grendel up and running, shot it today and was the best shooting I have done. Upper I built is all Odin Works components: - 18" DMR profile SS barrel, 1x8 - O2 Lite M-Lock 15.5" rail - Odin Works BCG - Odin Works adjustable gas block - Odin Works billet upper receiver - PA 4-14 FFP Mildot and PA mount Lower I took from my Larue Stealth upper, will do double duty for now and has a Geissele SSA-E trigger in it. Suppressor is Griffin Armament Recce 7 Mod 3 with a Cole-Tac cover. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/truth10k/IMG_20170428_1511174881_zpslxxyssnd.jpg This was my first five rounds of the day. I boresighted it and got it on target the week before. I was shooting 123 AMAX factory. The 123 SSTs were not as accurate. This group was a five shout group, I pulled the one not touching and was my first shot. My calipers broke but per the ruler, MOA for all five shots is about .8 and for the four shots touching MOA is about .3, I was very happy! I showed my wife when I got home I was so happy about it and she ask me if I would like to hang it on the fridge! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/truth10k/IMG_20170428_1415016121_zps1uyryzqs.jpg View Quote |
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Faxon 6.5G 12" group buy guys, what optic are you planning on running?
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Originally Posted By m6z:
Faxon 6.5G 12" group buy guys, what optic are you planning on running? View Quote Already have a Vortex Viper HS 2.5-10 which I might use or either an Athlon Ares 2.5-15 or SWFA SS 3-15. Both are more than I probably need but they would get moved over to my 18" AA when I get around to ordering it. |
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In case anyone is interested, Odin Works just listed 18" ILGS Grendel uppers here. $899
Technical Specs Forged upper ODIN 18" 6.5 Grendel Intermediate barrel ODIN Adjustable gas block ODIN 15.5 M-LOK Forend with accessory rail ODIN Grendel Type II BCG with Black Nitride Finish ODIN eXtended Charging Handle ODIN Warranty Ships assembled Build packages of the same thing for $579. Adjustable gas block is $64 extra. Barrel: Made from 416R Stainless Steel Hand Lapped Rifling: Button 8 twist M4 feed ramps 5/8-24 threading 1" MOA guaranteed .750 low profile gas block included Bolt Carrier Group included - type 2 6.5 Grendel bolt face 18"20" Gas PlacementIntermediateRifle Weight2.43lbs2.66lbs ProfileDMRDMR |
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[#46]
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Well, after waffling back and forth between .308 bolt, .308 gas, or 6.5G, I've finally decided on the Grendel. Here's what I've got so far. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/294984/IMG-1130-187387.JPG Still trying to decide on barrel. Probably going to be 18", either Lilja, JP, or Christensen Arms. May go the CA route to save some weight, this damn Razor is a pig. View Quote |
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Finally have a complete rifle (sorta, still needs a gas tube ). Can't wait to test this thing out.
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Nice. Details?
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Originally Posted By m6z:
Nice. Details? View Quote - Geissele SSA-E - Aero stripper upper (Cerakoted Troy Coyote Tan) - Lilja 319 Fluted barrel (Cerakoted Graphite Black) - Geissele Mk4 15" Handguard in DDC - DD Clamp On LPGB - Dead Air Keymount FH - Geissele Super CH - Bootleg Adjustable Bolt Carrier - Maxim Firearms bolt - Geissele SP 34mm SR25 Scope mount in DDC - Vortex Razor HDII 3-18x |
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Sarcasm is an art and I'm painting my master piece
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Here's what they look like with Manticore handguards. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9zCs2zW0AIkIFp.jpg View Quote |
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