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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2017 3:52:24 PM EDT
I bought one of the Savage 10t Creedmoors along with everyone else from Cabelas. It's a decent rifle and shoots pretty well. Where I live it's difficult to find places to shoot much over 500-700 yds especially when the fields are planted. I don't currently reload, but plan to start. I have a pile of really nice once fired Federal GMM brass in 308. Also a pile of once fired .223 brass from ARs. I'm pondering selling the 10t and picking up a .308, or even a nice .223. What do you guys think about this? I just think that I could shoot more with the cheapness of .308 or .223 and at the limited range I have available would never really miss the 6.5. What do ya think, am I nutty?
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Posted: 2/23/2017 4:07:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Joe731]
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Yeah pretty much.
I can think of one reason to trade for a .223: buying a pile of Wolf Gold and shooting three times as much for the same price. It's not super accurate stuff, but it's ok and trigger time is trigger time. I can think of less than zero reasons to trade a 6.5 for a .308. Maybe if you had a mountain of ammo, but brass isn't ammo. |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2017 4:16:35 PM EDT
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Cheap ammo will shoot like cheap ammo.
If you're going to reload the .223 it would be cheaper, it would also be cheaper if you just wanted to shoot your standard 55gr bulk ammo through it. What are you trying to accomplish? |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 4:32:47 PM EDT
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I think your Goldilocks in this case would be a Howa Mini or CZ527 in 6.5 Grendel.
It will give you the best of all worlds: Cheap ammo to practice with? Wolf steel case for $112-$129 for a case of 500. Hunting ammo? Hornady 123gr AMAX, SST, or ELD-M. Those double as your target ammo more than enough for your area, and you get a much lighter rifle, with lighter recoil, that carries well in the field. 
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2017 4:40:33 PM EDT
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You can reload 6.5 Creedmoor "match ammo" just as cheap, if not cheaper, than 308.
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Posted: 2/23/2017 5:06:19 PM EDT
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You wont save anymore money switching to 308, unless you're shooting just plinking type ammo.
223 could be a blast out to the distances, but you need a fast enough twist to stabilize, and you get much better performance reloading. That 6.5 hows could be a fun option too. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:11:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: INgunner54]
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Thanks for the info guys. Sounds like I just might be crazy huh. That howa looks nice, I'm covered for hunting rifles as it is though. Maybe I should just hang on to the creedmoor and start browsing for a .223 or even a 6.5 grendel bolt gun to play with. I saw the other thread about .223 bolt guns so I'll take a look through there and give it some thought. Again thanks for the replies.
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:17:23 PM EDT
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The nice thing with a 223 bolt gun, is you can load the rounds longer than in an AR and get more horsepower out of them. My bolt gun loads are 2.45"
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Posted: 2/23/2017 8:45:11 PM EDT
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Re barrel it to 308 if the 308 is what you want. I had both but sold the creedmoor for a 338LM for my long distant shooting. Will never sell my 308. Shoot a 178 ELD or larger for my 1000 yards or less shooting, and my 338LM for anything longer!
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Posted: 2/23/2017 9:49:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TeeRex:
The nice thing with a 223 bolt gun, is you can load the rounds longer than in an AR and get more horsepower out of them. My bolt gun loads are 2.45" I do love my 223 bolt gun. Stupid fun, and you wind up spending a hella lot less in a range trip. Gotta read that wind out at distance though. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 10:31:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By INgunner54:
Thanks for the info guys. Sounds like I just might be crazy huh. That howa looks nice, I'm covered for hunting rifles as it is though. Maybe I should just hang on to the creedmoor and start browsing for a .223 or even a 6.5 grendel bolt gun to play with. I saw the other thread about .223 bolt guns so I'll take a look through there and give it some thought. Again thanks for the replies. I just picked up a Howa Mini Grendel from my LGS. It weighs less than 6lbs. Bolt is really smooth. Feels like the weight of a rimfire bolt gun, really. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 11:29:45 PM EDT
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I only have the opportunity shoot mine to 1K at friends ranch a couple of times a year . I'm usually there about 4 days & its so damn much fun, I think it's worth it just for that. I can shoot 600 any time I want.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 2/24/2017 4:50:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
I think your Goldilocks in this case would be a Howa Mini or CZ527 in 6.5 Grendel. It will give you the best of all worlds: Cheap ammo to practice with? Wolf steel case for $112-$129 for a case of 500. Hunting ammo? Hornady 123gr AMAX, SST, or ELD-M. Those double as your target ammo more than enough for your area, and you get a much lighter rifle, with lighter recoil, that carries well in the field. http://www.legacysports.com/wp-content/uploads/Howa_MiniAction_Multicam_High_Res-1024x350.png Next you'll be telling us about the ShamWow. OP has a pile of once fired brass in 308 and 223 and is thinking of selling a 6.5 to make the use of the brass they already have. So how is a 6.5G helpful here? Do you think the OP should sell or keep the 6.5CM? |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 7:22:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By roamin:
Next you'll be telling us about the ShamWow. OP has a pile of once fired brass in 308 and 223 and is thinking of selling a 6.5 to make the use of the brass they already have. So how is a 6.5G helpful here? Do you think the OP should sell or keep the 6.5CM? I think he was just showing the OP that there are other options with inexpensive ammo also out there. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 8:54:22 AM EDT
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sell a rifle you already have scoped up and zero'd?
not me. i'd buy another rifle and shoot the other one when you feel like shooting a bigger caliber |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 2:06:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LRRPF52]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By divermedic68:
I think he was just showing the OP that there are other options with inexpensive ammo also out there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By divermedic68:
Originally Posted By roamin:
Next you'll be telling us about the ShamWow. OP has a pile of once fired brass in 308 and 223 and is thinking of selling a 6.5 to make the use of the brass they already have. So how is a 6.5G helpful here? Do you think the OP should sell or keep the 6.5CM? I think he was just showing the OP that there are other options with inexpensive ammo also out there. I have piles of .308 and .223 brass as well. Every time I go to load for .223, I look at all my Grendel cases and 6.5mm bullets, and never get around to loading for the .223 Rem anymore. I personally don't like my sight picture coming off target, and I like it when steel gets hit with a solid impact with some energy to it. .223 Rem is great for minimum recoil, but not so great for steel impact, and not so great for wind drift. I've been shooting 5.56 NATO, .223 Match, and 7.62 M118 and various .308 match loads dating back over 2 decades on a regular basis, to include formal training courses, competitions, and deployments. I would sell the .308 brass right off the bat to anyone who places value in that type of brass the OP has, and put that value into something more productive. He also didn't say how much 6.5 Creedmoor brass he has. OP stated that he currently doesn't reload, but plans to start, hence the mention of the current brass inventory he has. He can sell any of his current brass and rifle if he isn't feeling Creedmoor for some reason, and put that into something else. If I had a 6.5 Creedmoor bolt gun that shoots, I would just keep it and load for it. Going back to .308 is a major step in the wrong direction really. You spend more on bullets and powder, for less performance, with more recoil. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 5:42:53 PM EDT
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I'm in the opposite boat. Want a 6.5cm but never shoot past 600 and have ton of 308 reloading components. I keep trying to convince myself I need a 6.5 but know in reality I don't but that if I get one all my 308 stuff becomes essentially obsolete.
OP- pick up one of the 308s everyone is dumping because of the 6.5 craze. Lowball the ever loving shit out of the seller, he will bitch but will accept your offer and enjoy comparatively inexpensive and plentiful 308 match ammo. 
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Posted: 2/24/2017 10:40:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
I'm in the opposite boat. Want a 6.5cm but never shoot past 600 and have ton of 308 reloading components. I keep trying to convince myself I need a 6.5 but know in reality I don't but that if I get one all my 308 stuff becomes essentially obsolete. OP- pick up one of the 308s everyone is dumping because of the 6.5 craze. Lowball the ever loving shit out of the seller, he will bitch but will accept your offer and enjoy comparatively inexpensive and plentiful 308 match ammo. I shoot 600yds or less too so I have been snagging every AI 308 takeoff barrel that I see for $325 or less. I think I have 3 or 4 of them now LOL. |
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Posted: 2/25/2017 2:27:46 AM EDT
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For all practical purposes I'm just a plinker, but I am enjoying the 223 at 600. 90 gr SMKs will surprise you in a 1/7" (G7 ~.260-.270)
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Posted: 2/25/2017 9:40:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billyhill:
For all practical purposes I'm just a plinker, but I am enjoying the 223 at 600. 90 gr SMKs will surprise you in a 1/7" (G7 ~.260-.270) they'll do 1000 easy, splash gets hard to see, but it isn't too difficult. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 2/25/2017 12:42:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: INgunner54]
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Thanks again guys. I think I'll hang on to the 6.5 and invest in getting set up to reload rather than getting something else for now. I'll hang onto the brass, like was said I can always trade it for something later on.
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Posted: 2/25/2017 5:52:42 PM EDT
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Bolt action 223 is where it's at. Getting 700 yards or so out of a regular 60ish grain pill is fun.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2017 1:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By avboiler11:
You can reload 6.5 Creedmoor "match ammo" just as cheap, if not cheaper, than 308. And he could use the 308 brass for the creedmor couldn't he? Now if you are buying factory ammo the 308 is cheaper to shoot and easier to find than the creedmor. The 223 would be the cheapest to shoot. you can buy 10 dollar a box ammo that shoots pretty darn well for the 223. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/27/2017 1:38:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By w33b8t1:
Bolt action 223 is where it's at. Getting 700 yards or so out of a regular 60ish grain pill is fun. And cheap. I love shooting my 223 bolt gun. Really accurate to reasonable distances and did I mention cheap, at least compared to anything but a 22lr |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2017 11:52:13 PM EDT
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If you want cheap, shoot the 223.
I shot nearly 1700 rounds of 223 at ranges between 100 and 1200 yards last year. Most of it was at 500 which is a fun distance to read the wind. That cost me about $325 and some time at the reloading bench. Shoot at least a 69 grain bullet at 500 or you won't have a lot of gas left to ring steel, 75's have a lot left at that range, especially the high BC bullets like the Amax and ELD. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 12:05:27 AM EDT
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At the distance your shooting I would get a 223 bolt gun.
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Posted: 3/1/2017 12:12:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
I have piles of .308 and .223 brass as well. Every time I go to load for .223, I look at all my Grendel cases and 6.5mm bullets, and never get around to loading for the .223 Rem anymore. I personally don't like my sight picture coming off target, and I like it when steel gets hit with a solid impact with some energy to it. .223 Rem is great for minimum recoil, but not so great for steel impact, and not so great for wind drift. I've been shooting 5.56 NATO, .223 Match, and 7.62 M118 and various .308 match loads dating back over 2 decades on a regular basis, to include formal training courses, competitions, and deployments. I would sell the .308 brass right of the bat to anyone who places value in that type of brass the OP has, and put that value into something more productive. He also didn't say how much 6.5 Creedmoor brass he has. OP stated that he currently doesn't reload, but plans to start, hence the mention of the current brass inventory he has. He can sell any of his current brass and rifle if he isn't feeling Creedmoor for some reason, and put that into something else. If I had a 6.5 Creedmoor bolt gun that shoots, I would just keep it and load for it. Going back to .308 is a major step in the wrong direction really. You spend more on bullets and powder, for less performance, with more recoil. If your coming off target ya might want to work on body position, loading bipods etc. I would recommend going to a Rifles Only class, Jacob Bynum is the man. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 10:14:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: popnfresh]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billyhill:
For all practical purposes I'm just a plinker, but I am enjoying the 223 at 600. 90 gr SMKs will surprise you in a 1/7" (G7 ~.260-.270) Though I just bought a box of 80gr ELD match. Supposedly they have a higher BC Edit: not higher but close enough to where the added velocity could make it perform better than the 90smk. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 11:59:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
That is what I use to 1050yds in my 18" AR. Though I just bought a box of 80gr ELD match. Supposedly they have a higher BC Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
Originally Posted By billyhill:
For all practical purposes I'm just a plinker, but I am enjoying the 223 at 600. 90 gr SMKs will surprise you in a 1/7" (G7 ~.260-.270) Though I just bought a box of 80gr ELD match. Supposedly they have a higher BC |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 2:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
You must be single loading if you're shooting 90gr loads in an AR. |
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Posted: 3/1/2017 7:34:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
That is what I use to 1050yds in my 18" AR. Though I just bought a box of 80gr ELD match. Supposedly they have a higher BC Edit: not higher but close enough to where the added velocity could make it perform better than the 90smk. That's quite a change for you. I thought BC was your thing. If I was a betting man, I would guess you already modeled this and have a dang good reason for that choice. I have thought seriously about trying the Berger Fullbore 80.5 at around 3000fps (30" 1/7") Wind is the main reason I am running the 90 right now. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/1/2017 7:45:42 PM EDT
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223 Ackley Improved.
22" 1:7 gets me 2950fps with 80gr Amax over 8208XBR, 2750fps with 90gr Berger VLD over Varget even at capacity-eating OAL. No recoil. Accurate fireforming loads. Everything to love from a mousegun. |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 6:34:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billyhill:
That's quite a change for you. I thought BC was your thing. If I was a betting man, I would guess you already modeled this and have a dang good reason for that choice. I have thought seriously about trying the Berger Fullbore 80.5 at around 3000fps (30" 1/7") Wind is the main reason I am running the 90 right now. In many cases the higher BC heavy wins in wind drift over the lighter faster. In this case it looks like(according to QuickLoad) I will be able to get 100fps more out of the 80gr ELDm, the BC is close enough to the 90smk that the added velocity will make the 80 better in the wind and flatter of course. That is using Litz custom drag curve, WEZ Analytics shows a slight hit probability increase, LOL so yeah I have run all the models. |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 8:45:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By avboiler11:
223 Ackley Improved. 22" 1:7 gets me 2950fps with 80gr Amax over 8208XBR, 2750fps with 90gr Berger VLD over Varget even at capacity-eating OAL. No recoil. Accurate fireforming loads. Everything to love from a mousegun. I currently have an Ackley and I'll never do another one. It just isn't worth the minor performance gain to me. |
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Posted: 3/2/2017 10:32:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
I like better wind performance. In many cases the higher BC heavy wins in wind drift over the lighter faster. In this case it looks like(according to QuickLoad) I will be able to get 100fps more out of the 80gr ELDm, the BC is close enough to the 90smk that the added velocity will make the 80 better in the wind and flatter of course. That is using Litz custom drag curve, WEZ Analytics shows a slight hit probability increase, LOL so yeah I have run all the models. I figured there was a reason. Is the 80 gr ELD an AMAX with a new tip or is it a completely new bullet? I have seen zero about it. |
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Posted: 3/3/2017 6:22:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: popnfresh]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billyhill:
I figured there was a reason. Is the 80 gr ELD an AMAX with a new tip or is it a completely new bullet? I have seen zero about it. From AB Analytics bullet list: AMAX= 1.162" .231 G7 BC(.451 G1) ELDM= 1.153" .258 G7 BC(.505 G1) Using custom drag curves for each under the same conditions and velocity (2710fps): AMAX @ 1k = 10.47mil 1114fps 121" wind ELDm@ 1k= 9.52 mil 1236fps 103" wind My 90smk load at 2610fps is 10.57mil 1205fps 110" wind I just checked the seating length and will be able to load the 80 eldm .040" longer than the 90smk and it is about .020" shorter than the 90smk so getting 100fps extra should be no problem. This ends up being around 3% hit increase over the 90smk in all the scenarios I try(target size, range error, SD, wind error, mid range/ long range). The 80 ELDs are $0.22 each and the 90smks are what $0.41 each. |
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Posted: 3/3/2017 8:38:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By popnfresh:
I think it is different. From AB Analytics bullet list: AMAX= 1.162" .231 G7 BC(.451 G1) ELDM= 1.153" .258 G7 BC(.505 G1) Using custom drag curves for each under the same conditions and velocity (2710fps): AMAX @ 1k = 10.47mil 1114fps 121" wind ELDm@ 1k= 9.52 mil 1236fps 103" wind My 90smk load at 2610fps is 10.57mil 1205fps 110" wind I just checked the seating length and will be able to load the 80 eldm .040" longer than the 90smk and it is about .020" shorter than the 90smk so getting 100fps extra should be no problem. This ends up being around 3% hit increase over the 90smk in all the scenarios I try(target size, range error, SD, wind error, mid range/ long range). The 80 ELDs are $0.22 each and the 90smks are what $0.41 each. The custom curve on the 140 was giving me fits though, and i'm not going to figure it out since I'm switching bullets. |
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Posted: 3/3/2017 12:46:03 PM EDT
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Thanks for the insight pop, I enjoy your post.
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Posted: 3/4/2017 12:23:26 AM EDT
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If you have a 6.5 CM and want a 308 then re-barrel it. Less expense and you can get a real good barrel according to the accuracy level you want. If you want to get a .223 for general plinking. Save up and get a basic AR. Since you have a 6.5 CM I take it you like the accuracy challenge. If so consider a JP PSC-11 rifle. It is in a whole different level of shooting that will challenge your skills esp. if you reload.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2017 11:05:56 AM EDT
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IM sent to OP
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Posted: 3/12/2017 2:00:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03PSD:
I'm in the opposite boat. Want a 6.5cm but never shoot past 600 and have ton of 308 reloading components. I keep trying to convince myself I need a 6.5 but know in reality I don't but that if I get one all my 308 stuff becomes essentially obsolete. OP- pick up one of the 308s everyone is dumping because of the 6.5 craze. Lowball the ever loving shit out of the seller, he will bitch but will accept your offer and enjoy comparatively inexpensive and plentiful 308 match ammo. I thought 6mm was the new hot thing, again... |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:19:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
If your coming off target ya might want to work on body position, loading bipods etc. I would recommend going to a Rifles Only class, Jacob Bynum is the man. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp:
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
I have piles of .308 and .223 brass as well. Every time I go to load for .223, I look at all my Grendel cases and 6.5mm bullets, and never get around to loading for the .223 Rem anymore. I personally don't like my sight picture coming off target, and I like it when steel gets hit with a solid impact with some energy to it. .223 Rem is great for minimum recoil, but not so great for steel impact, and not so great for wind drift. I've been shooting 5.56 NATO, .223 Match, and 7.62 M118 and various .308 match loads dating back over 2 decades on a regular basis, to include formal training courses, competitions, and deployments. I would sell the .308 brass right of the bat to anyone who places value in that type of brass the OP has, and put that value into something more productive. He also didn't say how much 6.5 Creedmoor brass he has. OP stated that he currently doesn't reload, but plans to start, hence the mention of the current brass inventory he has. He can sell any of his current brass and rifle if he isn't feeling Creedmoor for some reason, and put that into something else. If I had a 6.5 Creedmoor bolt gun that shoots, I would just keep it and load for it. Going back to .308 is a major step in the wrong direction really. You spend more on bullets and powder, for less performance, with more recoil. If your coming off target ya might want to work on body position, loading bipods etc. I would recommend going to a Rifles Only class, Jacob Bynum is the man. Very familiar with them and all of these techniques from decades of shooting under formal instruction, as well as teaching precision rifle courses on a regular basis. Most of the shooting we do in my courses for DM or Precision Long Range is from field positions after proofing the guns from bipod/rear bag supported. I personally have a very high 1st-round hit record cold turkey, but I am always open to learning something new. Managing .308 recoil with a heavy rifle from solid support in the prone or off a bench isn't a problem, but does take some work. Doing it with a heavy or light rifle from field positions is extremely difficult. You can mitigate it with a sling and muzzle brake, but it's still not very pleasant, and a lot of your focus that could be on the wind and the target is on building and maintaining the position. With the same techniques, the .223 Rem and lighter-recoiling 6.5mm rifles are much easier and pleasant to manage, increasing hit probability. If the OP is only shooting to 500yds, a little .223 bolt gun is plenty. 75gr AMAX is a great bullet for that, or the 80gr ELD-M. With the little micro actions hitting the market more and more, I know what I'll be shooting. Should get much better barrel life too since chamber pressure is much lower with 6.5 Grendel. Les Baer has one that was still 1/2 MOA after 22,000 rounds last checked. Good luck getting anywhere near that with .223 Rem, .308, or 6.5 Creedmoor. If you don't run a .308 hard, and have a really hard steel like Krieger or Criterion, you can get to 10k accuracy life, especially if you don't push the performance. Creedmoor you are looking at 2000-3800rds in most cases, so that is something the OP might want to consider leaning to another option if he actually shoots a lot. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:55:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RePp]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Very familiar with them and all of these techniques from decades of shooting under formal instruction, as well as teaching precision rifle courses on a regular basis. Most of the shooting we do in my courses for DM or Precision Long Range is from field positions after proofing the guns from bipod/rear bag supported. I personally have a very high 1st-round hit record cold turkey, but I am always open to learning something new. Managing .308 recoil with a heavy rifle from solid support in the prone or off a bench isn't a problem, but does take some work. Doing it with a heavy or light rifle from field positions is extremely difficult. You can mitigate it with a sling and muzzle brake, but it's still not very pleasant, and a lot of your focus that could be on the wind and the target is on building and maintaining the position. With the same techniques, the .223 Rem and lighter-recoiling 6.5mm rifles are much easier and pleasant to manage, increasing hit probability. If the OP is only shooting to 500yds, a little .223 bolt gun is plenty. 75gr AMAX is a great bullet for that, or the 80gr ELD-M. With the little micro actions hitting the market more and more, I know what I'll be shooting. Should get much better barrel life too since chamber pressure is much lower with 6.5 Grendel. Les Baer has one that was still 1/2 MOA after 22,000 rounds last checked. Good luck getting anywhere near that with .223 Rem, .308, or 6.5 Creedmoor. If you don't run a .308 hard, and have a really hard steel like Krieger or Criterion, you can get to 10k accuracy life, especially if you don't push the performance. Creedmoor you are looking at 2000-3800rds in most cases, so that is something the OP might want to consider leaning to another option if he actually shoots a lot. With the parameters he posted a 223 would be the best option probably. Burning out barrels is a given and not a big deal. Let's see what else did ya mention. I'm all for as little recoil as possible but in the calibers he's talking it shouldn't be a problem. I confirm zero proned out then would say the large majority is shot from tripod or pack. I get natural point of aim, say a quick prayer, close my eyes and send it. Sometimes it works out. He mentioned shooting in fields so a good position if not proned should be happening. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/16/2017 10:11:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By INgunner54:
I bought one of the Savage 10t Creedmoors along with everyone else from Cabelas. It's a decent rifle and shoots pretty well. Where I live it's difficult to find places to shoot much over 500-700 yds especially when the fields are planted. I don't currently reload, but plan to start. I have a pile of really nice once fired Federal GMM brass in 308. Also a pile of once fired .223 brass from ARs. I'm pondering selling the 10t and picking up a .308, or even a nice .223. What do you guys think about this? I just think that I could shoot more with the cheapness of .308 or .223 and at the limited range I have available would never really miss the 6.5. What do ya think, am I nutty? There is ONLY one way that this could be a good idea... If the ROLE of the rifle changes a lot, for example you get a 16" barreled light weight with no bipod... and want it to be a versatile offhand-able bolt action that you also rest prone on your backpack for longer range and zeroing In which case could be a fine idea IE a 'Do Everything' Rifle 
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Posted: 3/19/2017 8:39:23 PM EDT
[#44]
I'd make the switch and no, you're not crazy. My reasons is that it is just cheaper for the other two and the ammunition for both is easier to find locally and the fact that 6.5's are not special or nor wanted by me because they don't do anything better than the other two.
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Posted: 3/19/2017 9:09:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GSL:
I'd make the switch and no, you're not crazy. My reasons is that it is just cheaper for the other two and the ammunition for both is easier to find locally and the fact that 6.5's are not special or nor wanted by me because they don't do anything better than the other two. |
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Posted: 3/21/2017 6:43:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EricRF]
[#46]
Another vote for the Ruger American Predator. Love mine in a Boyd's stock.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 12:02:24 PM EDT
[#47]
To answer your question with as few words as possible.....YES!
Happy Trails! |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 8:30:53 PM EDT
[#48]
Yes. Keep both.
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Posted: 3/25/2017 8:37:42 PM EDT
[#49]
I sold my 308. Focusing on my .223. Going to wring all I can out of it. I also have a .22LR on the way for 0-300 for lots more trigger time and learning to shoot in the wind. I'm all about high volume cheap shooting from now on. Someday I'll get a cartridge capable of 1000+.
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