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Updated 2nd post with initial and 200rd velocity results.
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
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Cool idea and will be following along, but you're losing me with the Savage-bashing "crap" comments...and for what it's worth, I've got a heavy barrel 16" chrome lined PSA off the shelf AR15 that with factory PPU 75 gr BTHP rings the 6" gong at 400m in a full value 15 mph wind all day long with boring regularity. $948 total with optics and everything. But I am guessing most would classify it in the same categories as the "crap" savages therefore it loses credibility haha
Interesting you're only getting ~MOA groups in the tests with ELD-X and Prime BTHP. Most others are getting much tighter...do you contribute that to the barrels not breaking in yet, conditions at the time, etc? |
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A lot of custom barrels pick up speed as they get rounds on them.
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Originally Posted By md7989:
Cool idea and will be following along, but you're losing me with the Savage-bashing "crap" comments...and for what it's worth, I've got a heavy barrel 16" chrome lined PSA off the shelf AR15 that with factory PPU 75 gr BTHP rings the 6" gong at 400m in a full value 15 mph wind all day long with boring regularity. $948 total with optics and everything. But I am guessing most would classify it in the same categories as the "crap" savages therefore it loses credibility haha Interesting you're only getting ~MOA groups in the tests with ELD-X and Prime BTHP. Most others are getting much tighter...do you contribute that to the barrels not breaking in yet, conditions at the time, etc? View Quote I'm not saying Savages don't shoot straight, I've had plenty beat me in square-range comps. I've also watched them get unreliable with boring regularity. In 7-8 years of running LR matches, far and away the repeat offenders for calling alibis related to equipment failure have been Savages. Part of it might be the owner mentality, but part of it is that they are not rifles to go bang around and get dirty with. That's all I have to say about that. EDIT: also, I have a DPMS AR15 that does the same thing, I love it. In fact, that was what I used for my first LR videos (something that I need to get back to someday). So keep shooting that PSA. Re: accuracy - like I said in the post, I am not a group shooter and I don't trust my grouping results to wring the last drop of accuracy out of a load. I have good days and bad, but when I test this stuff it is not under "controlled" conditions with cool, stable air, minimal mirage, zero wind, concrete bench, or lead sled. Therefore, if I shoot 10 rds into 1MOA at 200 you can bet that the system would do 1/2 MOA if controlled. Make sense? It's a relative measure. Again, in these tests, group sizes are relative, not absolute. My reports will be mostly based on hitting small, difficult targets under match conditions that I have been shooting for years. I will know whether I'm getting more vertical dispersion than I want, and also how many "unexplained" flyers I get. For anyone following, in case it's not clear: I'm leaving the group testing to the guys with bench vices and indoor 200m ranges, otherwise it's anecdotal unless someone posts 5-10 separate 10rd groups. |
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
Roger that. I'm the same way regarding groups...some days I feel amazing knowing I got a sub-half MOA group and the next two days with exact same weather conditions I can't duplicate it. Only reason being me and my eyes...curse the hereditary bad eyesight lol
Keep us posted. I'm interested in this new ELD bullet for sure. I've got about 350 6.5 140 gr AMAX bullets on hand that I'll reload first, but any info in advance on this new projectile and tip is good. |
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Originally Posted By md7989:
Roger that. I'm the same way regarding groups...some days I feel amazing knowing I got a sub-half MOA group and the next two days with exact same weather conditions I can't duplicate it. Only reason being me and my eyes...curse the hereditary bad eyesight lol Keep us posted. I'm interested in this new ELD bullet for sure. I've got about 350 6.5 140 gr AMAX bullets on hand that I'll reload first, but any info in advance on this new projectile and tip is good. View Quote Let's put it this way: if given the choice between loading 140 M and 143 X, I would load the X no questions asked, unless I could not get it to work in my gun. Better terminal performance, better BC, no reason why the QC on Hornady's side would be any different. The factory rounds I've shot so far seemed fine. I will likely shoot some more to test at 600 or 1000 on paper later in the year parallel to our F-Class matches. That all said, after shooting next to a lot of different 6.5's over the years, the consistently impressive projectile for performance in the Creedmoor case has been the 123gr Scenar. Even to 1000+. Personally I think the 140 class is too large for the case, the 6.5x55 capacity is more suited. Too bad for me that Creedmoor factory loads don't involve the 123 Scenar, but then again they'd probably be priced back to 6XC or 6.5x47 prices. |
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
Tagged, thanks for all the work OP looking forward to more info
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_3/3670_.html&page=1&anc=51537#i51537
Post updated with match results for the PRIME ammo. TL:DR I like it and it was competitive with the big reloading guns. |
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
Originally Posted By ScottyS:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_16_3/3670_.html&page=1&anc=51537#i51537 Post updated with match results for the PRIME ammo. TL:DR I like it and it was competitive with the big reloading guns. View Quote I'm 100% sold on Prime Ammo. Amazing stuff and good people. It may sound crazy but I'm also using Shooter and I use the velocity calibration tool. It's estimating my MV around 3,025 FPS out of my 24" Broughton MTU profile barrel. I don't see how that's possible against the claimed MV on the box. But using those numbers and I was shooting way high. So I'll just keep writing down my data and see where I end up. Great post, and like you I'm rocking 6.5 CM to be competitive and save time by using factory Ammo. |
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Updated 2nd post with impromptu video of Prime at 1800 yards.
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
Second post updated with hunt results.
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
Sorry for the lag guys, I sort of fell off the wagon until my suppressors started arriving.
1200 yard results for RPR with PRIME 130gr in second post! I'm not going to touch a thing. |
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
Interesting that you saw such an improvement when adding a suppressor because I saw the exact same thing on my RPR.
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Yeah great story except the Savage comments. Here's a shocker for you, my Savage BA Stealth in Creedmoor will shoot 1/2 groups at 100 yards suppressed with factory Hornady 147 ELD-M. Here's an a$$ burner for you, I just got into long range shooting and bet the rifle would do better in more capable hands.
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Originally Posted By Spearjunkie:
Yeah great story except the Savage comments. Here's a shocker for you, my Savage BA Stealth in Creedmoor will shoot 1/2 groups at 100 yards suppressed with factory Hornady 147 ELD-M. Here's an a$ burner for you, I just got into long range shooting and bet the rifle would do better in more capable hands. View Quote Otherwise - incremental summer update in the 2nd post. |
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
Originally Posted By ScottyS:
Savage butthurt is always expected. Quite often the rifles shoot great on paper at a square range. So do examples from literally all other brands. They just fail a lot, at least on my line, for the last 8+ years. Seem to cost their owners a lot of wasted time and money. It's not personal, dedicated Savage owners, it's just economics. Good luck Otherwise - incremental summer update in the 2nd post. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ScottyS:
Originally Posted By Spearjunkie:
Yeah great story except the Savage comments. Here's a shocker for you, my Savage BA Stealth in Creedmoor will shoot 1/2 groups at 100 yards suppressed with factory Hornady 147 ELD-M. Here's an a$ burner for you, I just got into long range shooting and bet the rifle would do better in more capable hands. Otherwise - incremental summer update in the 2nd post. |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By sparkyD:
I agree with the Savage rifles needing preventative maintenance. But I also remember Remington extractor failure from the old rivited extractor. Okay that being said the RPR doesn't have longevity on the competition line yet. But I'm looking forward to hearing more reports. View Quote While I also think that current production Remington is getting down there with Savage for build quality, seeing Remingtons go down in the middle of competition has historically been a rarity. Tikka is my favorite off the shelf rifle for build quality. It's worth noting that sample size for failure info is orders of magnitude above the old days in the 80s and 90s. Both in terms of rifles in service as well as annual round count. It's really a brand new world as far as precision shooting goes within the last 10 years. |
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
Originally Posted By ScottyS:
I'm also very curious on RPR longevity and primary failure modes. Every weapon has weak points. While I also think that current production Remington is getting down there with Savage for build quality, seeing Remingtons go down in the middle of competition has historically been a rarity. Tikka is my favorite off the shelf rifle for build quality. It's worth noting that sample size for failure info is orders of magnitude above the old days in the 80s and 90s. Both in terms of rifles in service as well as annual round count. It's really a brand new world as far as precision shooting goes within the last 10 years. View Quote To tell you the truth I didn't pay much attention to the ruger ejectors. But when I get it off layaway I'll look closely at it. One of the best mods I did was to add the Win mod 70 safety to my rem 700 action. It sure makes cleaning the bolt easier. The Tubbs style Sako ejector does collect dust but it's easier to inspect and clean up with a tooth brush. |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Shot a 22-rd string at 600y yesterday with the RPR and Prime. Pretty much stayed in the 1-MOA 10-ring on the target, off a field rest. Vertical stringing of the ammo was certainly within 1 MOA at 600. I feel really good about this setup as-is.
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
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Originally Posted By ScottyS:
Shot a 22-rd string at 600y yesterday with the RPR and Prime. Pretty much stayed in the 1-MOA 10-ring on the target, off a field rest. Vertical stringing of the ammo was certainly within 1 MOA at 600. I feel really good about this setup as-is. View Quote |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By ScottyS:
Second hunt: Nevada mule deer buck at 315 yards after a stalk across a canyon to an elevated shooting position. Used the RPR and 120gr Amax, he was looking when I peeked and I rushed the shot. Pretty much destroyed both front shoulders but it was over in seconds. Not a bullet to shoot anything but necks/heads with. View Quote |
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I read it like anywhere but the head or neck is wasting meat as the bullet is destructive.
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Originally Posted By bigplayer2382:
What did you mean by this? I'm looking at purchasing a 6.5 rifle with intentions of hunting at about twice this distance or more, should I get a larger round like the 300 win mag? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigplayer2382:
Originally Posted By ScottyS:
Second hunt: Nevada mule deer buck at 315 yards after a stalk across a canyon to an elevated shooting position. Used the RPR and 120gr Amax, he was looking when I peeked and I rushed the shot. Pretty much destroyed both front shoulders but it was over in seconds. Not a bullet to shoot anything but necks/heads with. |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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Originally Posted By sparkyD:
If a 120gr Amax destroyed a lot of meat due to rapid expansion. Just think what a 150gr Amax from a .300 mag would do traveling faster? I'm not getting exits with either the 123gr AMAX or ELD from my Grendel on hog's. So think of adding 400 fps to them. Makes for a pretty good varmint bullet. But if you put one behind the shoulder it should make for a quick kill with a little rib meat lost. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By bigplayer2382:
Oh, I was under the impression that it meant that your not going to be able to kill anything with the round unless you hair for the neck or the head. And is it better to get an exit while hunting? or no? View Quote |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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To me no exit means the animal got to enjoy all that bullet had to offer and increases the odds of it not moving very far if at all.
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Filled my mule deer tag at 340y today with 130gr Prime (Norma HPBT match bullet). Just clipped the back of the shoulder going in, splattered the opposite shoulder. Total fragmentation, no exit. He ran/fell/flopped downhill about 25yd, he was on a steep slope. Not lights out like a CNS, but not prolonged either. Would have preferred a neck shot, but had no time and no wind read across the canyon, so took the obvious aim point in the seconds I had available.
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In War: Resolution >>> In Defeat: Defiance >>> In Victory: Magnanimity >>> In Peace: Goodwill ----Winston Spencer Churchill----
Some long range videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/scottys1 |
Originally Posted By ScottyS:
Filled my mule deer tag at 340y today with 130gr Prime (Norma HPBT match bullet). Just clipped the back of the shoulder going in, splattered the opposite shoulder. Total fragmentation, no exit. He ran/fell/flopped downhill about 25yd, he was on a steep slope. Not lights out like a CNS, but not prolonged either. Would have preferred a neck shot, but had no time and no wind read across the canyon, so took the obvious aim point in the seconds I had available. View Quote |
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Chicken Farmer by choice hunter of shade tree's and hiding spots by nature.
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