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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:15:47 PM EDT
I have all the 308's I need in gas and bolt + 6.5 Grendel + 556's, but this cartridge is shouting at me - it shoots like a laser , with a good barrel / action setup its a seriously competitive + 1k yards round, low recoil and I reload everything anyway.
And it will make a great bench type gun + I have a dedicated 6.5 can Disclaimer - I have never shot one , only read about the cartridge - don't care about barrel life , although its supposedly not as bad as say 6.5 Saum/CM. Enlighten me |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 12:32:17 PM EDT
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I like the cartridge but did not opt for It 8 years ago. At the time it was pick one of three; that, 260 Remington or the creedmoor. All damned close. At the time creedmoor was quite new and I wondered if it would last and the fact that dies and brass were expensive and from limited sources. The Lapua was also expensive to get into; reamers, only expensive Redding dies and only relatively hard to Source brass.
I took the easy easy route and went with the 260. Cheap domestic. Issue that was an annoyance was mag length limits to chamber length. As I understand it the Lapua is perfectly set up at a few percent less performance. Well that and the cool cartridge name makes me wish I went with that. Today I think Lapua is the way to go. The 6mm neck down catches my eye too. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:15:23 PM EDT
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If you don't care about barrel life, might as well go with the 6x47 lapua.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:16:08 PM EDT
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The 6.5CM is the definite winner in this race.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:17:19 PM EDT
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Good round, good performance, but the Creedmoor has become king.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:27:48 PM EDT
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Creedmoor can do anything the x47 can and offer relatively inexpensive factory ammo is needed. Also will go a little faster.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:42:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DrDover]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01:
Creedmoor can do anything the x47 can and offer relatively inexpensive factory ammo is needed. Also will go a little faster. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:52:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dttheliman]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DrDover:
Especially with the new lapua small primer brass.....selling off all my 6.5x47L stuff... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DrDover:
Originally Posted By Rob01:
Creedmoor can do anything the x47 can and offer relatively inexpensive factory ammo is needed. Also will go a little faster. 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:58:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TeeRex]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
OK then my head starts hurting because there are rifles in 260 rem that are just as inherently accurate , but when you look at what is winning competition its not the CM , not the 260 its the 6.5x47 - now what? because apparently the CM can't do what the lapua is doing (not that I can either :-)) http://2poqx8tjzgi65olp24je4x4n.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Most-Popular-Long-Range-Rifle-Cartridge.png Any cartridge on that list can be competitive, and chasing the perfect one won't make you shoot any better. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:48:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DrDover]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
OK then my head starts hurting because there are rifles in 260 rem that are just as inherently accurate , but when you look at what is winning competition its not the CM , not the 260 its the 6.5x47 - now what? because apparently the CM can't do what the lapua is doing (not that I can either :-)) http://2poqx8tjzgi65olp24je4x4n.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Most-Popular-Long-Range-Rifle-Cartridge.png |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:14:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DrDover:
Maybe because its just the trendy cartridge of the month in the PRS crowd ? You asked for opinions I gave my experience. Sorry my personal experience disagrees with the latest trend in one specific series. 6.5cm makes a lot of sense to me and with the advent of high quality Lapua small primer brass for reloading and high quality reasonable match ammo. Ever priced 6.5x47L loaded ammo ? I am not a PRS shooter. I am not even a good shooter. But I do shoot and have experience with both cartridges. Your post also tries to put the barrel life of 6.5cm in the same group as 6.5saum and that is simply wrong. 6.5cm is MUCH closesr to 6.5x47L than it is to 6.5saum. Absolutely not disagreeing with you - only my limited grasp of what various 6.5's are around - and who is doing what with which - all advice is valuable, and I appreciate your response - wasn't trying to be pissy just want a new rifle and only want to cry once / buy once so looking at all the options out there . Thanks |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
@DRDover Absolutely not disagreeing with you - only my limited grasp of what various 6.5's are around - and who is doing what with which - all advice is valuable, and I appreciate your response - wasn't trying to be pissy just want a new rifle and only want to cry once / buy once so looking at all the options out there . Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
Originally Posted By DrDover:
Maybe because its just the trendy cartridge of the month in the PRS crowd ? You asked for opinions I gave my experience. Sorry my personal experience disagrees with the latest trend in one specific series. 6.5cm makes a lot of sense to me and with the advent of high quality Lapua small primer brass for reloading and high quality reasonable match ammo. Ever priced 6.5x47L loaded ammo ? I am not a PRS shooter. I am not even a good shooter. But I do shoot and have experience with both cartridges. Your post also tries to put the barrel life of 6.5cm in the same group as 6.5saum and that is simply wrong. 6.5cm is MUCH closesr to 6.5x47L than it is to 6.5saum. Absolutely not disagreeing with you - only my limited grasp of what various 6.5's are around - and who is doing what with which - all advice is valuable, and I appreciate your response - wasn't trying to be pissy just want a new rifle and only want to cry once / buy once so looking at all the options out there . Thanks |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:35:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
OK then my head starts hurting because there are rifles in 260 rem that are just as inherently accurate , but when you look at what is winning competition its not the CM , not the 260 its the 6.5x47 - now what? because apparently the CM can't do what the lapua is doing (not that I can either :-)) http://2poqx8tjzgi65olp24je4x4n.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Most-Popular-Long-Range-Rifle-Cartridge.png As mentioned now with the Lapua brass you will see people who get hung up on brass makers moving to the Creedmoor as well. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:43:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DrDover]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
@DRDover Absolutely not disagreeing with you - only my limited grasp of what various 6.5's are around - and who is doing what with which - all advice is valuable, and I appreciate your response - wasn't trying to be pissy just want a new rifle and only want to cry once / buy once so looking at all the options out there . Thanks |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DrDover:
do you only want to reload ? if so then 6.5x47L it is. If you want to shoot with out having to reload then 6.5cm is the way to go. The new 6.5cm Lapua small primer brass brings the heat on the 6.5x47L. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:13:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01:
That's not really true anymore. You can load the Creedmoor as easy as the x47 and you get the option of using factory ammo if you wanted or needed. It was always said in the past when comparing the x47 or .260 to the Creedmoor when there was only Hornady brass for the Creedmoor and some people didn't like it but now that statement needs to leave the internet as there are many more brass options and you can load the Creedmoor as easy as the others. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:14:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dttheliman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01:
That's not really true anymore. You can load the Creedmoor as easy as the x47 and you get the option of using factory ammo if you wanted or needed. It was always said in the past when comparing the x47 or .260 to the Creedmoor when there was only Hornady brass for the Creedmoor and some people didn't like it but now that statement needs to leave the internet as there are many more brass options and you can load the Creedmoor as easy as the others. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01:
Originally Posted By DrDover:
do you only want to reload ? if so then 6.5x47L it is. If you want to shoot with out having to reload then 6.5cm is the way to go. The new 6.5cm Lapua small primer brass brings the heat on the 6.5x47L.  - I have seen a high end 260 (think it was a GAP of some type high $$ rifle) perform very well like 5 rounds into a 1/4 Moa repeated over a benchrest target amazing, for those that shoot the x47 and those that shoot the CM what rifles are you using and what results do you get at distance , and what do you think the limits of each are?, there does seem to be much more available in CM, however unlike a noisy GD thread I am not getting both.
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:25:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DonKey153]
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If you want one, just get it.
I don't regret mine at all. There are always newer and faster cartridges out there. The functional difference between the 6.5cm and the x47 are pretty much non-existant. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:28:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DonKey153]
[#18]
doubletap
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Posted: 3/30/2017 6:52:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
So for all of them - you can get decent brass , there are many many projectiles available and a huge amout of powders that work with each , lets take that a a given then for reloading all are equal'ish with component availability , still leaves caliber as a choice , until one of y'all suggested a 6mm - I have seen a high end 260 (think it was a GAP of some type high $ rifle) perform very well like 5 rounds into a 1/4 Moa repeated over a benchrest target amazing, for those that shoot the x47 and those that shoot the CM what rifles are you using and what results do you get at distance , and what do you think the limits of each are?, there does seem to be much more available in CM, however unlike a noisy GD thread I am not getting both. |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 7:52:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
So for all of them - you can get decent brass , there are many many projectiles available and a huge amout of powders that work with each , lets take that a a given then for reloading all are equal'ish with component availability , still leaves caliber as a choice , until one of y'all suggested a 6mm - I have seen a high end 260 (think it was a GAP of some type high $ rifle) perform very well like 5 rounds into a 1/4 Moa repeated over a benchrest target amazing, for those that shoot the x47 and those that shoot the CM what rifles are you using and what results do you get at distance , and what do you think the limits of each are?, there does seem to be much more available in CM, however unlike a noisy GD thread I am not getting both. |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 6:44:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
So for all of them - you can get decent brass , there are many many projectiles available and a huge amout of powders that work with each , lets take that a a given then for reloading all are equal'ish with component availability , still leaves caliber as a choice , until one of y'all suggested a 6mm - I have seen a high end 260 (think it was a GAP of some type high $ rifle) perform very well like 5 rounds into a 1/4 Moa repeated over a benchrest target amazing, for those that shoot the x47 and those that shoot the CM what rifles are you using and what results do you get at distance , and what do you think the limits of each are?, there does seem to be much more available in CM, however unlike a noisy GD thread I am not getting both. 
the 3 of the 6.5's are all capable of the same accuracy. shooter and rifle are the more important factors in group size here. logistics are the only real factors to consider between them. .260rem is easy to make out of any .308 based case. lots of factory support for 6.5CM not much of anything for the 6.5lapua despite sounding the most sexy |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 8:29:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dttheliman:
So for all of them - you can get decent brass , there are many many projectiles available and a huge amout of powders that work with each , lets take that a a given then for reloading all are equal'ish with component availability , still leaves caliber as a choice , until one of y'all suggested a 6mm - I have seen a high end 260 (think it was a GAP of some type high $ rifle) perform very well like 5 rounds into a 1/4 Moa repeated over a benchrest target amazing, for those that shoot the x47 and those that shoot the CM what rifles are you using and what results do you get at distance , and what do you think the limits of each are?, there does seem to be much more available in CM, however unlike a noisy GD thread I am not getting both. Bottom line is you need to make a decision. They all have quality components if you load but only one has relatively inexpensive factory match ammo if you needed it although now Hornady is loading .260 ammo with their 130 ELD-M bullet. Any of the 3 are close enough ballistically to not matter. Crescent/PVA Surgeon 
GAP 
400 yards with 2 lots of the 140 AMAX factory ammo 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2017 7:50:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01:
I have been shooting the 6.5 Creedmoor since 2008 in a GAP rifle that I had rebarreled by them twice. I also have a Crescent Customs Surgeon switch barrel 6.5 Creedmoor rebarreled by Patriot Valley Arms that I have two barrels for. All have shot great. I shoot a majority of factory Hornady ammo with the 140 AMAX and now the 140 ELD-M. Shoots easy 1/2 MOA. Don't shoot a lot of groups at distance as my range only goes to 400 yards but laid down after a match one day and shot an 8" 10 shot group at 1050 yards with my GAP rifle. Hornady brass is not garbage either. It works just fine and loads accurate ammo. Bottom line is you need to make a decision. They all have quality components if you load but only one has relatively inexpensive factory match ammo if you needed it although now Hornady is loading .260 ammo with their 130 ELD-M bullet. Any of the 3 are close enough ballistically to not matter. Crescent/PVA Surgeon http://i.imgur.com/OSt3wzl.jpg GAP http://i.imgur.com/zCZrObu.jpg 400 yards with 2 lots of the 140 AMAX factory ammo http://i.imgur.com/GxW5vF0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0k0QtPN.jpg 300 http://i.imgur.com/42Q43pM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4IFXUCR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/id1rI2E.jpg 100 http://i.imgur.com/tMeNTiy.jpg |
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Posted: 3/31/2017 8:35:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DrDover:
Rob is the only factory ammo you shoot the hornady ? I have been shooting Prime lately with better results than the hornady. |
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