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Posted: 10/17/2014 1:03:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BrowardMason]
I'm glad this forum came along.
I've been interested into getting into precision shooting. Please share some basic fundamentals that translate across all types of precision shooting. Thanks! |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 1:14:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
I'm glad this forum came along. I've been interested into getting into precision shooting. Please share some basic fundamentals that translate across all types of precision shooting. Thanks! It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 1:27:23 AM EDT
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Tagged because I don't know where I am and how to get back here.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 1:29:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ReconB4:
It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ReconB4:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
I'm glad this forum came along. I've been interested into getting into precision shooting. Please share some basic fundamentals that translate across all types of precision shooting. Thanks! It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Awesome. This is exactly the type of stuff I'm looking for. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 1:31:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: highstepper]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BrowardMason:
Awesome. This is exactly the type of stuff I'm looking for. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BrowardMason:
Originally Posted By ReconB4:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
I'm glad this forum came along. I've been interested into getting into precision shooting. Please share some basic fundamentals that translate across all types of precision shooting. Thanks! It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Awesome. This is exactly the type of stuff I'm looking for. Broward, eh? Orange here.  You ever shoot over at the Volusia County Gun & Hunt Club?
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Posted: 10/17/2014 1:33:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ReconB4:
It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ReconB4:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
I'm glad this forum came along. I've been interested into getting into precision shooting. Please share some basic fundamentals that translate across all types of precision shooting. Thanks! It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Can't wait to read it 
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Posted: 10/17/2014 1:39:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2014 2:05:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2014 4:41:05 AM EDT
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I'm just a target shooter and have no military experience, but I always say the fundamentals never change. It doesn't matter if you are shooting 100 yards, 1000 yards, or a mile. Natural point of aim, breathing, trigger control, etc are all performed the same regardless of distance to target. Just my opinion though
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Posted: 10/17/2014 7:14:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ReconB4:
It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ReconB4:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
I'm glad this forum came along. I've been interested into getting into precision shooting. Please share some basic fundamentals that translate across all types of precision shooting. Thanks! It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Awesome! I look forward to it. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 8:25:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By highstepper:
Broward, eh? Orange here. You ever shoot over at the Volusia County Gun & Hunt Club?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By highstepper:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
Originally Posted By ReconB4:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
I'm glad this forum came along. I've been interested into getting into precision shooting. Please share some basic fundamentals that translate across all types of precision shooting. Thanks! It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Awesome. This is exactly the type of stuff I'm looking for. Broward, eh? Orange here. You ever shoot over at the Volusia County Gun & Hunt Club?
I haven't yet, but a road trip may be warranted. There aren't really any long distance ranges down here. There's supposed to be a 500 - 1k yd range being built somewhere in homestead, but I haven't heard anything about it in a while. I need to find somewhere to shoot. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 8:28:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lefty-weaver-g19:
I'm just a target shooter and have no military experience, but I always say the fundamentals never change. It doesn't matter if you are shooting 100 yards, 1000 yards, or a mile. Natural point of aim, breathing, trigger control, etc are all performed the same regardless of distance to target. Just my opinion though True. Looking for little nuggets of wisdom from our experienced shooters though. It would be nice to have them all in one place. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:13:38 AM EDT
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The fundamentals haven't changed. Find an Appleseed shoot if you want cheap hands on training. It will thoroughly cover the fundamentals.
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Posted: 10/17/2014 11:09:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BrowardMason:
I haven't yet, but a road trip may be warranted. There aren't really any long distance ranges down here. There's supposed to be a 500 - 1k yd range being built somewhere in homestead, but I haven't heard anything about it in a while. I need to find somewhere to shoot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BrowardMason:
Originally Posted By highstepper:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
Originally Posted By ReconB4:
Originally Posted By BrowardMason:
I'm glad this forum came along. I've been interested into getting into precision shooting. Please share some basic fundamentals that translate across all types of precision shooting. Thanks! It's bedtime but I'll get back to this with the fundamentals taught in sniper school. I'm sure there will be variations but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Awesome. This is exactly the type of stuff I'm looking for. Broward, eh? Orange here. You ever shoot over at the Volusia County Gun & Hunt Club?
I haven't yet, but a road trip may be warranted. There aren't really any long distance ranges down here. There's supposed to be a 500 - 1k yd range being built somewhere in homestead, but I haven't heard anything about it in a while. I need to find somewhere to shoot. Rgr, the VCGHC website says they have a range out to 1200. I haven't been there yet but a buddy of mine is a member there. 
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Posted: 10/17/2014 12:04:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lefty-weaver-g19:
I'm just a target shooter and have no military experience, but I always say the fundamentals never change. It doesn't matter if you are shooting 100 yards, 1000 yards, or a mile. Natural point of aim, breathing, trigger control, etc are all performed the same regardless of distance to target. Just my opinion though +1 |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 1:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bigred200e:
The fundamentals haven't changed. Find an Appleseed shoot if you want cheap hands on training. It will thoroughly cover the fundamentals. This is true in a sense. There are the fundamentals that we all know as taught by the NRA or in general and yes they are important. Then there are fundamentals taught in sniper school and they are different. I will be posting those shortly and you'll see. In fact I'll post both so you can compare. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 1:54:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ReconB4]
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Ok, here we go. Here is the abbreviated version of the fundamentals of marksmanship straight from the NRA Law Enforcement Patrol Rifle Instructors manual. I'm sure most of you will be familiar with these. These fundamentals are expected to have been mastered prior to Sniper School
Grip Shooting Stance Sight Alignment Sight Picture Trigger Control Breath Control Follow Through Straight from the US Army Sniper Training FM 23-10 Sniper marksmanship is an extension of basic rifle marksmanship and focuses on the techniques needed to engage targets at extended ranges. To successfully engage targets at increased distances, the sniper team must be proficient in marksmanship fundamentals and advanced marksmanship skills. Other than the skills needed to adjust for the effects of weather on ballistics, holding off for elevation and windage, engaging moving targets and using and adjusting scopes, there are a set of "sniper fundamentals of marksmanship". I can go into detail if anyone is interested but for now they are: Nonfiring Hand Butt of the stock Firing Hand Elbows Stock Weld Bone Support Muscle Relaxation Natural point of aim These fundamentals are specific to firing long range and taught as sniper school. Yes, I know some are related or even the same but these are the ones that are stressed. The basic fundamentals that should be applied in any kind of shooting are expected to be mastered, as stated already, by each sniper student prior to attended sniper school. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 2:19:40 PM EDT
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As a beginner, I take my jolly old time to focus on the small things. Do I have structural support, am I well grounded, am I controlling my breathing and what is going on around myself and my target. I take my time in noting things like holdover, flinching or anticipating, and approximately how much I missed by. I have taken a few 'practice shots' to gauge my trigger pull with an unloaded chamber.
My rate of fire is around one round every five minutes or so. I am in no rush. I've taken what little I've learned from the Marine Corps and applied those principals to long range shooting and have taught myself from there. As a beginner, this is how I have started. It is highly recommended that you take any advice that contradicts mine into consideration. I was hoping my SEAL friend could teach a brother something but I was able to help him get on paper. It helped that he is already a better shot than I am but it was cool nonetheless. I'm loving the enthusiasm here! |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 8:09:15 PM EDT
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Use the reticle to make corrections. If the turrets match the reticle corrections are easy.
Measure the impact from the target using the reticle then either hold or dial the correction and you should be on target, if your fundamentals are good. I see people all the time, shoot, guesstimate the amount of error in inches, then try to convert that to MOA, figure how many "clicks" to adjust to get on target and then miss again. It usually goes like this: " That looks about 20" high. Lets see, that's 5 inches at 500 so I need to move 4MOA, that'll be 16 clicks. One, two, three... sixteen." Bang - another miss. If they have to convert again to mil, it compounds their problem. This is a useable method, but does take the long way around. I don't know many people that can accurately judge the linear error though a magnified optic. Most end up bracketing the target and walking the rounds in. If they use the reticle it should go:(measures with reticle) "That was 3 mil/MOA ( which ever system they are using) high." Moves the turret from say 10 down to 7. Bang - hit. This is why mil or MOA doesn't matter, you are precisely measuring the deflection and dialing/holding it out. There should be no math involved when making corrections this way. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 8:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pro_Patria_431: Use the reticle to make corrections. If the turrets match the reticle corrections are easy. Measure the impact from the target using the reticle then either hold or dial the correction and you should be on target, if your fundamentals are good. I see people all the time, shoot, guesstimate the amount of error in inches, then try to convert that to MOA, figure how many "clicks" to adjust to get on target and then miss again. It usually goes like this: " That looks about 20" high. Lets see, that's 5 inches at 500 so I need to move 4MOA, that'll be 16 clicks. One, two, three... sixteen." Bang - another miss. If they have to convert again to mil, it compounds their problem. This is a useable method, but does take the long way around. I don't know many people that can accurately judge the linear error though a magnified optic. Most end up bracketing the target and walking the rounds in. If they use the reticle it should go:(measures with reticle) "That was 3 mil/MOA ( which ever system they are using) high." Moves the turret from say 10 down to 7. Bang - hit. This is why mil or MOA doesn't matter, you are precisely measuring the deflection and dialing/holding it out. There should be no math involved when making corrections this way.  |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 8:41:20 PM EDT
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A good spotter goes a long way. Record your data and make quick reference cards. Learn to estimate range, mil targets and read wind. Shoot at UKD ranges with varying terrain as much as possible.
Practice. Practice more. |
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Posted: 10/17/2014 10:36:51 PM EDT
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Get this:
http://estore.thecmp.org/store/catalog/catalog.aspx?pg=product&ID=770DVD&item=&sfv=&cat=BKS&desc=&udc=&mct=&vndr=&ba=&pmin=&pmax=¬e1=¬e2=¬e3=¬e4=¬e5=&max= 
Done by the United States Army Marksmanship Unit themselves. - |
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Posted: 10/18/2014 4:45:58 PM EDT
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First you need to learn what the fundamentals are. Go you YouTube and watch all the online training videos from snipershide. Then practice dry firing until you have them down to the point where it feels natural. Then head to the range.
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Posted: 10/19/2014 6:42:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mark5pt56]
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Read, read and read some some and ask some questions before buying the rifle for one and then related equipment. Educate yourself on what makes a system as in the rifle, ammunition, optics and the shooter along with ability to read wind and understand ballistics.
A bad example is you go to the local store and come to a 1000 yard match with a Rem AAC, some cheap 150 scope and 20 rings, 147 gr ball ammo, no ballistic data which includes zero wind understanding. makes for a very bad day (not me by the way) DO NOT, DO NOT go to your local gun store and have them set you up with a "precision" rifle. Unless of course it's some place like Mile High, Euro optic, etc or someone place that actually deals in these types. Get Bryan Litz's books, it really helps put thing in perspective in regards to the wind and caliber limitations with hit percentages, etc. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 2:11:14 PM EDT
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APPLESEED. Learning and re-learning the fundamentals is key. We have High-master classification high power shooter (and president's 100) that still goes to the appleseed events to make sure he has the basics. He says he still learns something or fixes an error every time he goes.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 7:49:42 PM EDT
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Fundamentals obviously.
One that really seems to cause problems with new shooters I see is consistency or lack thereof. They shoot decent and instead of practicing the same way they start changing things up and get mad when it's not the same as before or they start tossing groups. It can range from technique to physical changes in stance or physically changing things on their weapons. The newest gadget, the latest style of positions, and so on. Consistency is HUGELY important. Small changes on your end can equal huge changes on the target end. If you change anything dont expect crazy results right away, you have to practice and implement it into your routine. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 8:00:48 PM EDT
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I have found that tuning the load to your rifle will give you up to .5moa more accuracy than match loads. Txl |
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Posted: 10/21/2014 9:30:40 PM EDT
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My tip for a beginner... don't fall victim to thinking if you're rifle won't shoot "1/2 MOA all day long" that something IS wrong.
I've seen new shooters come to my precision rifle class and get discouraged because their set up does not shoot 1/4" to 1/2" groups... as pointed out, consistent proficiency is connected to the mental game as well as the physical. Precision rifle should be looked at from a "System" point of view encompassing the rifle, scope, ammo, and shooter. Each individual part has the ability to degrade overall performance. While money can address the first three, it's YOU who control the final input/output... which is the shooter. |
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Posted: 10/24/2014 11:51:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Airarc]
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I watched the 4 youtube videos by National Shooting Sports Foundation | NSSF, featuring Ryan Cleckner on Set up Your Scope for Success, Understanding Minute of Angle (MOA), Understanding Mils (Milliradians), and Wind Estimation and Compensation. I know I was just getting into scoped rifles and had no one to turn to so youtube it was, I stumbled onto these videos and was extremely glad I did. They helped me immensely with the understand and information I needed and wanted to know but didn't have anyone to ask. Who knows if this guy can help me understand he just may be able to help a few others looking into the scoped rifle arena and make there life easier as well. Just do a key word search in youtube and he (Ryan Cleckner) and the NSSF videos should be in the first few choices.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 3:14:18 PM EDT
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I am newish to precision rifle, and just had a precision rifle class last weekend. What I learned: 1) MOA/mil, it doesn't matter. 2) Fundamentals are key, and they are the same regardless what kind of gun you are shooting; in precision rifle, add the stance you build. 3) A lot of shooting over several hours will make you tired; know when you tire and take a break or your groups will suck. 4) Dry fire. 5) Dry fire again. 6) Find the 'sweet spot' with the ammo, and stick to it until you know more about ballistics.
I am not a new shooter, and have had many pistol and carbine classes, but I learned more in this one class than I have the previous three classes. |
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Posted: 10/28/2014 9:39:28 PM EDT
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After having the fundamentals down, don't over think the shot.
I have fucked up many groups by over thinking the shot. Some of you will read this and have not a clue what I mean. That's OK.
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Posted: 10/31/2014 12:42:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Airarc:
I watched the 4 youtube videos by National Shooting Sports Foundation | NSSF, featuring Ryan Cleckner on Set up Your Scope for Success, Understanding Minute of Angle (MOA), Understanding Mils (Milliradians), and Wind Estimation and Compensation. I know I was just getting into scoped rifles and had no one to turn to so youtube it was, I stumbled onto these videos and was extremely glad I did. They helped me immensely with the understand and information I needed and wanted to know but didn't have anyone to ask. Who knows if this guy can help me understand he just may be able to help a few others looking into the scoped rifle arena and make there life easier as well. Just do a key word search in youtube and he (Ryan Cleckner) and the NSSF videos should be in the first few choices. I'll have to check those out. I've been watching Sniper 101 and 8541 Tactical on YouTube and learning a lot. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 6:00:49 PM EDT
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Get intimately familiar with the basics of proper positioning of the rifle in the shoulder, cheek weld, sight picture, breath control, trigger manipulation, and follow through. Dry fire helps build muscle memory on this.
Then shoot. A lot. Record every shot you fire, in detail, in a data book and refer to that data book constantly. I'm finding that good data makes all the difference in the world. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 2:02:22 AM EDT
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Before every shot, I go through a checklist in my head:
Steady position Sight picture Breathing Trigger squeeze These are the four fundamentals taught in army basic rifle marksmanship. Explained here. I've added two that I've picked up: Natural POA - before you shoot, your rifle should be naturally aimed at the target. You shouldn't fight your rifle. Follow through - just like hitting a baseball, or throwing a football, always follow through your shots. |
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Posted: 12/2/2014 3:22:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ICantShoot]
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First things first,
Please....for the love of God, never call your rifle a "stick" and if you are not/were not a Mil/LEO sniper then do not reffer to it as a "Sniper rifle" either. As said above, the fundamentals are the most important thing to work on. Striat position behind the rifle Load the bipod Natural point of aim Good sight allignment Finger 90 degrees on the trigger Strait pull of the trigger Good follow through If you're looking for a good DVD then I definately recomend this one Rifles Only |
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Posted: 12/2/2014 3:35:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/4/2014 1:51:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lennyo3034:
APPLESEED. Learning and re-learning the fundamentals is key. We have High-master classification high power shooter (and president's 100) that still goes to the appleseed events to make sure he has the basics. He says he still learns something or fixes an error every time he goes. After reading this thread I looked up the Appleseed Project and found it interesting. There's one coming to my area in February and I plan on attending. Thanks |
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Posted: 12/4/2014 3:14:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KZ45:
After reading this thread I looked up the Appleseed Project and found it interesting. There's one coming to my area in February and I plan on attending. Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KZ45:
Originally Posted By Lennyo3034:
APPLESEED. Learning and re-learning the fundamentals is key. We have High-master classification high power shooter (and president's 100) that still goes to the appleseed events to make sure he has the basics. He says he still learns something or fixes an error every time he goes. After reading this thread I looked up the Appleseed Project and found it interesting. There's one coming to my area in February and I plan on attending. Thanks Which one are you going to? I attended my first Appleseed in November and loved it. I'm thinking about doing another one soon, let me know if you want someone to tag along with (I'm in NorCal so if you're down south, disregard the above ).
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Posted: 12/20/2014 1:53:43 PM EDT
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Learning the difference between Mils and MOA was the biggest pain in the ass. Me and math never had a great relationship. I keep a cheat sheet in my shooting book.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:55:20 AM EDT
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Target size (yards) X 1000/ target size (mils) = range (yards)
Yards and mils mix OK. I usually do the math using 25.4 (or use a Mildot master) to get a range in meters using inch target dimensions. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 12:38:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ReconB4: Ok, here we go. Here is the abbreviated version of the fundamentals of marksmanship straight from the NRA Law Enforcement Patrol Rifle Instructors manual. I'm sure most of you will be familiar with these. These fundamentals are expected to have been mastered prior to Sniper School Grip Shooting Stance Sight Alignment Sight Picture Trigger Control Breath Control Follow Through Straight from the US Army Sniper Training FM 23-10 Sniper marksmanship is an extension of basic rifle marksmanship and focuses on the techniques needed to engage targets at extended ranges. To successfully engage targets at increased distances, the sniper team must be proficient in marksmanship fundamentals and advanced marksmanship skills. Other than the skills needed to adjust for the effects of weather on ballistics, holding off for elevation and windage, engaging moving targets and using and adjusting scopes, there are a set of "sniper fundamentals of marksmanship". I can go into detail if anyone is interested but for now they are: Nonfiring Hand Butt of the stock Firing Hand Elbows Stock Weld Bone Support Muscle Relaxation Natural point of aim These fundamentals are specific to firing long range and taught as sniper school. Yes, I know some are related or even the same but these are the ones that are stressed. The basic fundamentals that should be applied in any kind of shooting are expected to be mastered, as stated already, by each sniper student prior to attended sniper school. |
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Posted: 1/21/2015 10:08:03 PM EDT
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I have caught a few things here and there that just stand out, for example: When you do a good clean on your barrel, you change the actual bore characteristics. I have noticed sometimes my cold bore shot (the most important shot ) is sometimes off POA by .5" or so. And it may take 4 or 5 shots for my groups to really start tightening up. In reflecting, yes, this usually happens when I clean my bore with solvent/bore brush instead of a couple of dry patches to clean out residue. I am kind of ocd about keeping my rifle clean and right now I am forcing myself to let it go out to 100 shots or so before deep cleaning.
http://www.primalrights.com/forum/articles.php |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 2:12:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ventilator:
Get intimately familiar with the basics of proper positioning of the rifle in the shoulder, cheek weld, sight picture, breath control, trigger manipulation, and follow through. Dry fire helps build muscle memory on this. Then shoot. A lot. Record every shot you fire, in detail, in a data book and refer to that data book constantly. I'm finding that good data makes all the difference in the world. I keep seeing this. But what exactly are you writing down for each individual shot you take? |
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Posted: 1/29/2015 11:46:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blk00ss:
I keep seeing this. But what exactly are you writing down for each individual shot you take? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By blk00ss:
Originally Posted By Ventilator:
Get intimately familiar with the basics of proper positioning of the rifle in the shoulder, cheek weld, sight picture, breath control, trigger manipulation, and follow through. Dry fire helps build muscle memory on this. Then shoot. A lot. Record every shot you fire, in detail, in a data book and refer to that data book constantly. I'm finding that good data makes all the difference in the world. I keep seeing this. But what exactly are you writing down for each individual shot you take? You should be able to call your shots, plotting them in a book, then comparing them to the target. As soon as you release the round, you should know where it is in relation to the target. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 2:50:48 PM EDT
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Good tips everyone. Thanks!!
All I can add would be before you start buying equipment, research, research and research some more, and don't get excited and buy equipment because you want the gun up and running. Know what you want to use the gun for and the distances you plan to shoot. Mine was going to double for a range/ hunting rifle that ended up being too heavy to lug around in the woods. I built my first rifle about 2 years ago, and I wish I would have done some more research and planning before I started buying parts. I ended up with a nice, but very basic, precision gun. I love it don't get me wrong, but I wish I hadn't been impatient and waited until I could have bought some higher quality gear that would suit my needs a little better. |
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Posted: 1/31/2015 3:16:35 PM EDT
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Good points already made. I'll deviate a bit and say: Spend more money on ammo than gear initially. You can slap a $3k scope on a $4k rifle, and if your budget is $7k, you won't progress as much as the guy who saved a few thousand for lots of high quality ammo. Range time is what has improved my shooting way more than kit. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2015 4:06:47 PM EDT
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Do the exact same thing every time you pull the trigger.
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Posted: 2/8/2015 4:04:48 PM EDT
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Good thread. Keep the info coming!
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Posted: 2/11/2015 10:10:58 PM EDT
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Can you guys comment on twist rate for a .308 that will mostly be shot at 600 and sometime 1000. 1:12, 1:11, 1:10?
Don't wanna start a new thread just yet. Thanks |
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Posted: 2/11/2015 10:41:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jukeboxx13: Can you guys comment on twist rate for a .308 that will mostly be shot at 600 and sometime 1000. 1:12, 1:11, 1:10? Don't wanna start a new thread just yet. Thanks   http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2012/01/equipment-30-caliber-barrel-specs.html |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 10:42:19 PM EDT
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Hi guys glad to be part of this forum, I'm interested in all this.
Hope to learn something :) |
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