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centex_SR-15 Member Joined: Jan 2011 TX, USA Posts: 49 Feedback: 100% (1)	Posted: 12/18/2011 5:21:09 AM THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Couldn't pass up the deal on this 2011 Omen Pro. I added an Armortech HD sight with .010 pins, a Vapor Trail Limb Driver Pro V rest, Fuse Axium stabilizer, Red Eye peep, and a wrist strap. Arrows just appear in the target.
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one15 Member Joined: Dec 2001 NY, USA Posts: 1238 Feedback: 100% (31) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/18/2011 9:58:43 AM very nice. I am starting to like the looks of the all black bows.
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Posted: 12/18/2011 7:51:40 PM

Nice bow. Heard its crazy fast.

I have the same sight, love it. I have the .19 pins though.

The G5 light interferes with the pin elevation knob. Had to get rid of it, but its very bright.

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Posted: 12/19/2011 7:30:19 AM

Awesome bow and they are wicked looking.
Same here on the sight- armor tech hd. I love mine but it's a bit heavy.
Congrats.

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centex_SR-15 Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2011 TX, USA Posts: 62 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 12/31/2011 12:30:27 AM Thank You. I got a chance to put it through the chronograph last week. Not bad for 26.5/67 and a 426 grain arrow.
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Posted: 12/31/2011 11:03:29 AM

Originally Posted By centex_SR-15:
Thank You. I got a chance to put it through the chronograph last week. Not bad for 26.5/67 and a 426 grain arrow.

Nice. You guys sure do shoot some heavy arrows...

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Posted: 1/9/2012 9:14:33 AM

Originally Posted By EdwardAvila:

Originally Posted By centex_SR-15:
Thank You. I got a chance to put it through the chronograph last week. Not bad for 26.5/67 and a 426 grain arrow.

Nice. You guys sure do shoot some heavy arrows...

Perhaps he's adding in the weight of the 100 grain field point? Maybe he's using Easton 326 grain arrows?

I use 350 grain Carbon Express Maxima's with 28.5" DL and 72 lb. DW. I use 100 grain field points and broadheads.

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Posted: 1/9/2012 7:43:38 PM

Originally Posted By EdwardAvila:

Originally Posted By centex_SR-15:
Thank You. I got a chance to put it through the chronograph last week. Not bad for 26.5/67 and a 426 grain arrow.

Nice. You guys sure do shoot some heavy arrows...

My total arrow weight is 470gr...

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Posted: 1/9/2012 8:22:02 PM

Originally Posted By loonybin:
My total arrow weight is 470gr...

That's what I mean... I'm shooting ~388gr ; nearly 100gr difference.
Beman MFX Bone Collectors 400 (9.9gr/in) 27.5" w/ 100gr G5 Montecs.
Shooting out of a Hoyt Carbon Element @ 65lbs 28.5"DL (I have yet to chrono)

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Posted: 1/10/2012 5:57:46 PM

Originally Posted By EdwardAvila:

Originally Posted By loonybin:
My total arrow weight is 470gr...

I'm shooting 340-grain arrows (broadhead included) around 303-304 FPS at 28"/52#.

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centex_SR-15 Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2011 TX, USA Posts: 65 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 1/11/2012 10:34:47 PM Yeah, that includes the fieldpoint/broadhead. I used to hunt with light 350 grain arrows (CX Maxima 250/100 grain Ram Cats) until I shot this buck and got four inches of penetration. Since switching I've blown through every deer I've shot and buried the arrow 3-5 inches into the ground.
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Posted: 1/13/2012 12:27:24 AM

[Last Edit: 1/13/2012 12:28:09 AM by loonybin]

Originally Posted By EdwardAvila:

Originally Posted By loonybin:
My total arrow weight is 470gr...

Well, looking at my archery software (OT2), you're way underspined. Calculated velocity is 278fps, with a momentum of .478. Switching to a .340 spine arrow (same brand), gives you a correctly spined arrow at 401gr, calculated velocity of 273fps, and a momentum of .488, which is an inconsequential loss of velocity, but a decent gain in momentum –– which aids penetration and helps reduce arrow deflection when hitting something hard like a rib).

My Maitland Retribution (also a hybrid cam system like the Hoyt) at 62#, 27" DL requires a .350 spine arrow at 28" with 125gr broadhead, 50gr screw-in weight behind the insert, arrow wrap and FOB. My velocity is much slower –– 236fps –– but my momentum is .503. The calculated time of flight difference at 20yds between your current arrow setup and mine is...

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Anything I lose by shooting heavier & slower is overshadowed by what i gain in momentum when it comes to pass-through shots on big animals (kind of like shooting a 55gr TAP round vs. a 75gr TAP round). I also don't need to worry about a different setup for hogs or elk. One setup does it all.

Here's some light reading on the subject.

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Posted: 1/13/2012 9:57:09 AM

Originally Posted By loonybin:
Well, looking at my archery software (OT2), you're way underspined. Calculated velocity is 278fps, with a momentum of .478. Switching to a .340 spine arrow (same brand), gives you a correctly spined arrow at 401gr, calculated velocity of 273fps, and a momentum of .488, which is an inconsequential loss of velocity, but a decent gain in momentum –– which aids penetration and helps reduce arrow deflection when hitting something hard like a rib).

My Maitland Retribution (also a hybrid cam system like the Hoyt) at 62#, 27" DL requires a .350 spine arrow at 28" with 125gr broadhead, 50gr screw-in weight behind the insert, arrow wrap and FOB. My velocity is much slower –– 236fps –– but my momentum is .503. The calculated time of flight difference at 20yds between your current arrow setup and mine is...

0.031s

Anything I lose by shooting heavier & slower is overshadowed by what i gain in momentum when it comes to pass-through shots on big animals (kind of like shooting a 55gr TAP round vs. a 75gr TAP round). I also don't need to worry about a different setup for hogs or elk. One setup does it all.

Here's some light reading on the subject.

I hear you- I've had the debate with my pro shop, and I've been assured I'm correct for the setup. Double checking on Easton's charts, 400 is OK up to #73+ and that's with a 28" arrow vs. the 27.5". I've also bought and shot many different arrows with different spines and so far these have been the best. Penetration exceeds anything else by a good margin I suspect due to the smaller shaft size as well. Not sure how much of a factor it is but I drink the 9mm KoolAid... I will read Ed's article a few more times- thanks.

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dark_light Member Joined: Jan 2009 NY, USA Posts: 477 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 2/16/2012 11:50:51 PM Now that bow is really nice. For almost 1000 bucks, it should be. Congrats.
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VBC Delighted Team Member Joined: Feb 2005 VA, USA Posts: 16626 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 2/17/2012 9:44:05 AM The PSE X-Force bows are sweet. I've been getting 295 fps out of my Vendetta XL with 29" draw at 67 lbs and 430 grain (total weight) arrow. Likewise, arrows hit the bullseye all by themselves.
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