 AR15fan 
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Posted: 6/23/2012 11:32:59 PM
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Posted: 6/23/2012 11:55:06 PM
[Last Edit: 6/23/2012 11:55:57 PM by GoldnGuns]
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Is it simply because they work better or does a collapsable stock bump someone up from limited to tactical or tactical to open? There's not really much of a need for an adjustable or collapsible stock in 3-gun. You're not likely to need or want to adjust the stock on a stage or between stages, and there's not likely to be much variation in what you're wearing on your top half, so an adjustable/collapsible stock doesn't benefit you much. I don't think a collapsible or adjustable stock has any impact on one's division. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 10:24:47 AM
I believe it has to so with the "softer" recoil impulse of the rifle length buffer/spring compared to the carbine length.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 10:36:20 AM
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Is it simply because they work better or does a collapsable stock bump someone up from limited to tactical or tactical to open? No divisional issues, they are just consistent and much more solid than collapsible stocks. CM |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 11:30:58 AM
Originally Posted By Clint-M:
Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Is it simply because they work better or does a collapsable stock bump someone up from limited to tactical or tactical to open? No divisional issues, they are just consistent and much more solid than collapsible stocks. CM So shooting an M4 wouldnt bump one into the racegun classes due to the collapsable stock alone. Thanks. |
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Posted: 6/24/2012 12:46:12 PM
Doesn't make a bit of difference, open shotguns are based on porting, compensating, not using magazine tube (X-Rail and Saigas), loading with the speed sticks, and optics.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 8:56:04 AM
I use a fixed stock in case I run out of rounds and need to butt-stroke a target....
What? That doesn't count as a hit??? |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 10:04:44 AM
much more solid than the adjustable's I've seen.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 11:20:18 AM
Originally Posted By BPR:
I use a fixed stock in case I run out of rounds and need to butt-stroke a target.... What? That doesn't count as a hit??? Only in WWII Division at Texas Multigun. CM |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 11:39:04 AM
I'm not sure your premise is accurate - I see a lot of adjustable stocks at 3-gun matches. I have adjustables on all mine because I like a slightly different length depending on whether I am shooting prone at long range targets (longer stock setting) or a close-range hoser stage (shorter stock setting). Factory 3-gun rifles do tend to have fixed stocks, probably more for cost reasons as much as anything.
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Posted: 6/25/2012 11:47:44 AM
[Last Edit: 6/25/2012 11:48:32 AM by Keib]
The ONLY reason I have adjustable stocks is for ease of carry slung or ingress egress from a vehicle. I guess they're also handy for storing in shorter cases.
My length is constant, regardless of optic. ETA: I don't own armor yet. |
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Posted: 6/25/2012 3:26:04 PM
[Last Edit: 6/25/2012 3:26:37 PM by SinistralRifleman]
I have collapsed my stock before or during stages so I could get eye relief shooting under cars or at downward angles from towers. I do think a telestock is a useful feature on a multigun rifle.
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Posted: 6/26/2012 3:40:10 PM
The two most likely reasons you see a lot of fixed stocks are repeatable cheek weld and rifle length buffer tube. The rifle length tube allows the use of a softer spring and lighter buffer. (like the JP kit)
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Posted: 6/27/2012 8:29:20 PM
The reason I believe most guys run fixed stocks is so that they don't have a failure with a collapsible or that somehow their stock gets unadjusted for them and they figure it out on the clock. I run an ACE stock that is adjustable but I have it locked in position.
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Posted: 7/2/2012 9:43:25 PM
The short stock is good if you are wearing body armor, not so much in 3gun. If it does not help accuracy or speed, no reason to add it. If your rifle has one, come on out, you are certainly welcome.
Originally Posted By Clint-M:
Originally Posted By BPR:
I use a fixed stock in case I run out of rounds and need to butt-stroke a target.... What? That doesn't count as a hit??? Only in WWII Division at Texas Multigun. CM Well, hard not to break the 180 with a buttstroke. However, if you affix bayonet and charge, well, you do not break the 180.... |
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Posted: 7/5/2012 7:09:06 AM
Originally Posted By Lmccrock:
Originally Posted By Clint-M:
Originally Posted By BPR:
I use a fixed stock in case I run out of rounds and need to butt-stroke a target.... What? That doesn't count as a hit??? Only in WWII Division at Texas Multigun. CM Well, hard not to break the 180 with a buttstroke. However, if you affix bayonet and charge, well, you do not break the 180.... I guess I need to shoot WWII Division next year!  |
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Posted: 7/13/2012 11:56:27 AM
The fixed stock also uses a rifle length buffer tube that makes recoil a little softer for staying on target. Most M4 stocks are carbine lenght tubes that let the buffer fully compress the spring and make the rifle bounce a bit.
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Posted: 9/19/2012 7:09:43 AM
I can see a standard A2 stock working better for 3 gun because there's less that clothing and the enviroment can catch on. If you notice most with the A2 stocks have removed the sling loop on the stock so it's high speed low drag.
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Posted: 9/19/2012 9:02:50 AM
I use a VietNam era A1 with the rounded hard rubber butt plate ...... my short course carbine has a RRA SOPMOD style adjustable... optics determine the selection
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Posted: 9/27/2012 8:50:01 PM
Looking at the question from the other end, ask yourself why the military uses so many adjustable stocks? 1, troopers come in all sizes, 2. They get into vehicles and ride around in tight spaces. 3. They get into body armor and fight squared to their target. None of the above is really applicable to 3-gunners, although they come in all sizes, but each supplies his/her own rifle so they all come in one size, their own. Nothing wrong with adjustables, except they tend to move around and often have a cheezy cheak rest. One sees alot of adjustable stocks at matches, but then one sees a lot of M4 based rifles at mathces. I use an ACE and really like the feel of the stock.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 9:33:55 PM
[Last Edit: 9/27/2012 9:35:21 PM by Glockfan]
Originally Posted By JesseTischauser:
The reason I believe most guys run fixed stocks is so that they don't have a failure with a collapsible or that somehow their stock gets unadjusted for them and they figure it out on the clock. I run an ACE stock that is adjustable but I have it locked in position. That happened to me on my Saiga. I broke a Vltor Imod stock and it collapsed on me on two stages before I realized the problem. I just kept shooting with a very short stock setting. Did not hurt me too much. Vltor made it right and replaced the stock. I run a Vltor Emod on my rifles. I don't use the collaspable feature much but I do like the cheekweld this stock provides. Just feels good. |
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Posted: 10/9/2012 5:08:42 PM
PRS so I can adjust the stock to my face - rifle length tube reduces recoil - more robust.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:08:06 AM
I have played with the PRS and I like it on a precision AR but it just seems to make my 3 gun stick to rear heavy.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 3:25:36 PM
I'm thinking about going with the Magpul UBR for my 3 gun AR. Seems to be the best of both worlds not to mention a good lockup.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:01:03 PM
I like the cheekweld that my PRS gives me. Even on my rifles with collapsible stocks, I typically run the fully extended position it seems.
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Posted: 10/11/2012 4:19:26 PM
What I would like is a fixed version of the Vltor Emod. The rifle verison of the Vltor stock has a different but plate I don't care for. The reason Ilike the Emod is the cheekweld it gives, very comfortable. I generally don't use the collaspable feature while shooting three gun.
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Posted: 10/31/2012 10:21:25 AM
Went to my first 3 gun match last month. Didn't shoot, since my AR is being built, but wanted to go and check things out, and mainly see the gear everyone was using. I noticed there was a mix of fixed stocks and M4 stocks, probably around a 60/40 split in favor of the fixed stocks. Guess it really depends on what you like.
The AR I am building up has a MagPul ACS stock on it. I am a very muscular guy, with large shoulders, so am A2 fixed stock is a little long for me. Especially wearing my plate carrier. |
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Posted: 12/18/2012 2:59:05 AM
I have considered going to an Ace skeleton stock, but so far declined to. One reason some like solid stock is the lack of slop in the stock. Then there are the locking adjustable stocks, mainly the Magpul UBR and the Ergo F93 Pro (what I use). When the locking tab is engaged they are as solid as the non-adjustable stocks but take more time to setup so you don't want to do it on the clock. The Ergo is cheaper by about $75 than the Magpul (I think it is based on an older Magpul design). As long as my Ergo has no failures I plan on using it till whenever. I do like the looks of the Ace however.
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