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Posted: 3/25/2012 12:55:59 PM
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Posted: 3/25/2012 2:37:32 PM
The specific trigger Im looking at is the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger.
Love mine. |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 3:57:20 PM
[Last Edit: 3/25/2012 3:57:59 PM by PFC_Dustin]
Originally Posted By Shadeaux:
The specific trigger Im looking at is the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger.
Love mine. I was pretty impressed by the demos for it. Whats the reason its not prefered for a combat rifle? What are the pros and cons of that vs a 2 stage trigger? |
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Posted: 3/25/2012 6:05:15 PM
The generic semi-auto AR-15 trigger is a single stage.
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Posted: 3/25/2012 9:16:37 PM
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By Shadeaux:
The specific trigger Im looking at is the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger.
Love mine. I was pretty impressed by the demos for it. Whats the reason its not prefered for a combat rifle? What are the pros and cons of that vs a 2 stage trigger? The school of thought behind a light single stage trigger for combat is that under the stress of the situation you might go to prep the trigger as you would a two-stage and take the shot before you're ready to where in precision competition you don't want to have to line up your sights, then prep a trigger. You want a single stage so you're first action after aiming is firing, not possibly pulling yourself off target in the prep stage. Hope that helps. CM |
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Posted: 3/28/2012 9:02:22 PM
My guess is that the JP single stage trigger is the most popular trigger in 3 gun. I have about 5 of them. In fact the only two stage i have is the AR Gold.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 3:48:27 AM
Originally Posted By JesseTischauser:
My guess is that the JP single stage trigger is the most popular trigger in 3 gun. I have about 5 of them. In fact the only two stage i have is the AR Gold. How does that compare to the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger? How reliable are these triggers? |
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Posted: 3/29/2012 6:09:55 AM
[Last Edit: 3/29/2012 6:12:31 AM by ChandlerSniper158]
I have no experience with a Geissele, but I do with JPs. I have been shooting a JP in one gun for over 5 years and I have never had a malfunction of any kind with it. I have another JP rifle being built right now. For a competition rifle.. its the only way to go.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:44:24 AM
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Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By JesseTischauser:
My guess is that the JP single stage trigger is the most popular trigger in 3 gun. I have about 5 of them. In fact the only two stage i have is the AR Gold. How does that compare to the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger? How reliable are these triggers? They both have been very reliable for me. I've never had a problem with any trigger including my Giessele super 3 gun. All three triggers have a pretty different feel. The best description of the S3G is that it feels like snapping a carrot. You start to pull it and it moves back, back, back and it snaps. The same pull weight over the length of pull. The JP has no take up it just breaks at 3-3.5 lbs. You don't have to prep the trigger as it is at its "wall" from the beginning. The AR Gold has a .8 oz 1st stage that is short. To me it feels like the slack or take up in my 1911 triggers. Then it hits the "wall" and breaks with another 2lbs of pull. It most replicates my pistol triggers which I like. They all have zero over travel and reset almost instantly. You're best bet is to try them all if possible. |
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Posted: 3/29/2012 7:01:21 PM
The reset is much more positive on the Geisselle 3g which is one reason I prefer it over the JP. Both are good triggers. The Geisselle feels like a rolling trigger to me. Its short with a touch of travel than bam, the the trigger resets fast and positive making follow up shots easy.
The JP is nice and crisp but its not as quick on te reset. It feels like a nice target trigger I just can't shoot it as fast. Pat |
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Posted: 3/29/2012 10:52:40 PM
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
The reset is much more positive on the Geisselle 3g which is one reason I prefer it over the JP. Both are good triggers. The Geisselle feels like a rolling trigger to me. Its short with a touch of travel than bam, the the trigger resets fast and positive making follow up shots easy. The JP is nice and crisp but its not as quick on te reset. It feels like a nice target trigger I just can't shoot it as fast. Pat All of these triggers are fast. What are the difference in your splits with the S3G vs a JP? How about while actually Shootibg at targets not just mag dumping? |
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Posted: 3/29/2012 10:59:02 PM
Originally Posted By JesseTischauser:
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
The reset is much more positive on the Geisselle 3g which is one reason I prefer it over the JP. Both are good triggers. The Geisselle feels like a rolling trigger to me. Its short with a touch of travel than bam, the the trigger resets fast and positive making follow up shots easy. The JP is nice and crisp but its not as quick on te reset. It feels like a nice target trigger I just can't shoot it as fast. Pat All of these triggers are fast. What are the difference in your splits with the S3G vs a JP? How about while actually Shootibg at targets not just mag dumping? To be honest its more of a feel issue. I have not put a timer to both and measured splits. I will have to do that. I don't mag dump however as that is expensive and hard on the barrel. Most of my drills involve shooting pairs on paper targets or shooting auto poppers at 100 yards. Pat |
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Posted: 3/29/2012 11:05:22 PM
So do you like that snappy reset on precision shooting or hosing? I haven't heard many folks talk about anything but a short reset. I can see a firm click being beneficial to some during precision shooting but not do much for rapid fire hosing.
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Posted: 3/29/2012 11:11:56 PM
I like it on both actually but I notice it more on hoser stages. I was taught to reset to the sear so thats probably why I like it. Its positive.
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Posted: 3/30/2012 6:32:32 PM
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
I like it on both actually but I notice it more on hoser stages. I was taught to reset to the sear so thats probably why I like it. Its positive. Pat That sounds like its probably the better trigger for me then. Either the trigger on the ACR is pretty bad so its got to be better than that. |
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Posted: 3/30/2012 9:35:05 PM
I have a JP EZ trigger in mine and I love it. I cant speak for the G3G trigger, as Ive never used it. Ive never been a fan of the 2 stage triggers however, so they are rarely never on my recommend list.
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Posted: 3/30/2012 10:54:31 PM
Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
I have a JP EZ trigger in mine and I love it. I cant speak for the G3G trigger, as Ive never used it. Ive never been a fan of the 2 stage triggers however, so they are rarely never on my recommend list. The Geisselle 3g is not a 2 stage trigger. Its a bit of a hybrid but feels like a single stage. Pat |
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Posted: 4/2/2012 7:18:28 PM
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
I have a JP EZ trigger in mine and I love it. I cant speak for the G3G trigger, as Ive never used it. Ive never been a fan of the 2 stage triggers however, so they are rarely never on my recommend list. The Geisselle 3g is not a 2 stage trigger. Its a bit of a hybrid but feels like a single stage. Pat Whats a hybrid? Ive heard that term before for triggers but I dont get it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 12:14:32 PM
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
I have a JP EZ trigger in mine and I love it. I cant speak for the G3G trigger, as Ive never used it. Ive never been a fan of the 2 stage triggers however, so they are rarely never on my recommend list. The Geisselle 3g is not a 2 stage trigger. Its a bit of a hybrid but feels like a single stage. Pat Whats a hybrid? Ive heard that term before for triggers but I dont get it. Think of it like a two stage trigger with the second stage removed. It has a touch more travel than a true single stage trigger like the JP. Its hard to describe you have to shoot it. Pat |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 2:00:05 PM
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
I have a JP EZ trigger in mine and I love it. I cant speak for the G3G trigger, as Ive never used it. Ive never been a fan of the 2 stage triggers however, so they are rarely never on my recommend list. The Geisselle 3g is not a 2 stage trigger. Its a bit of a hybrid but feels like a single stage. Pat Whats a hybrid? Ive heard that term before for triggers but I dont get it. Think of it like a two stage trigger with the second stage removed. It has a touch more travel than a true single stage trigger like the JP. Its hard to describe you have to shoot it. Pat This may be a stupid question but how's it claimed to be faster than the JP if its got more travel? |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 2:35:02 PM
You don't have to let it go all the way out. The reset is between the first and second stage.
I do not care for two stage triggers. I have a cmc trigger in my current gun and I have used a Bill Springfield in the past. Your best bet is to send JP a lower and have them intsall the rest. Or buy a JP rifle. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:19:13 PM
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
I have a JP EZ trigger in mine and I love it. I cant speak for the G3G trigger, as Ive never used it. Ive never been a fan of the 2 stage triggers however, so they are rarely never on my recommend list. The Geisselle 3g is not a 2 stage trigger. Its a bit of a hybrid but feels like a single stage. Pat Whats a hybrid? Ive heard that term before for triggers but I dont get it. Think of it like a two stage trigger with the second stage removed. It has a touch more travel than a true single stage trigger like the JP. Its hard to describe you have to shoot it. Pat This may be a stupid question but how's it claimed to be faster than the JP if its got more travel? Because the reset is much more positive. WIth the JP you have to lift your finger off faster or slap the trigger. With the 3G it almost pushes your finger back for the next shot. Much more positive trigger return spring. For the record both are great triggers. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 6:46:56 PM
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By SERVED_USMC:
I have a JP EZ trigger in mine and I love it. I cant speak for the G3G trigger, as Ive never used it. Ive never been a fan of the 2 stage triggers however, so they are rarely never on my recommend list. The Geisselle 3g is not a 2 stage trigger. Its a bit of a hybrid but feels like a single stage. Pat Whats a hybrid? Ive heard that term before for triggers but I dont get it. Think of it like a two stage trigger with the second stage removed. It has a touch more travel than a true single stage trigger like the JP. Its hard to describe you have to shoot it. Pat This may be a stupid question but how's it claimed to be faster than the JP if its got more travel? Because the reset is much more positive. WIth the JP you have to lift your finger off faster or slap the trigger. With the 3G it almost pushes your finger back for the next shot. Much more positive trigger return spring. For the record both are great triggers. that makes sense. I noticed alot of people take there finger off the trigger after every shot, is that why? It was even on the Jerry Miculek rifle dvd. My finger never leaves the trigger while fireing, it seems like youd jerk the trigger a lot by lifting your finger off. |
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Posted: 4/3/2012 9:23:36 PM
I have tried the S3G. I haven't put any rounds on one, but did not like the way it felt in dry-firing. It's like a single w/ very smooth creep. I have used the following and favor them in this order:
TImney- great break, light, very short reset JP- great break, a little heavier than Timney, short reset CMC- little more creep, not quite as short reset as Timney and JP AR Gold- very light 1st stage, light break, but also weak reset. (also cams the hammer back off the sear when the safety is applied, so the safety is harder to engage) Geissele SSA Fantastic 2 stage, but it's a 2 stage RRA NM Until I got a JP, I thought 2 stage triggers were the best. Best thing you can do is just ask to try some out at a match. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 5:52:38 AM
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I have tried the S3G. I haven't put any rounds on one, but did not like the way it felt in dry-firing. It's like a single w/ very smooth creep. I have used the following and favor them in this order: TImney- great break, light, very short reset JP- great break, a little heavier than Timney, short reset CMC- little more creep, not quite as short reset as Timney and JP AR Gold- very light 1st stage, light break, but also weak reset. (also cams the hammer back off the sear when the safety is applied, so the safety is harder to engage) Geissele SSA Fantastic 2 stage, but it's a 2 stage RRA NM Until I got a JP, I thought 2 stage triggers were the best. Best thing you can do is just ask to try some out at a match. For the record I did not like the 3G at first either until I got used to it and not I love it. Its especially great when you are firing from akward positions it just seems easier to break the shot. Pat |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:06:24 PM
Originally Posted By JesseTischauser:
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By JesseTischauser:
My guess is that the JP single stage trigger is the most popular trigger in 3 gun. I have about 5 of them. In fact the only two stage i have is the AR Gold. How does that compare to the Geissele Super 3 gun trigger? How reliable are these triggers? They both have been very reliable for me. I've never had a problem with any trigger including my Giessele super 3 gun. All three triggers have a pretty different feel. The best description of the S3G is that it feels like snapping a carrot. You start to pull it and it moves back, back, back and it snaps. The same pull weight over the length of pull. The JP has no take up it just breaks at 3-3.5 lbs. You don't have to prep the trigger as it is at its "wall" from the beginning. The AR Gold has a .8 oz 1st stage that is short. To me it feels like the slack or take up in my 1911 triggers. Then it hits the "wall" and breaks with another 2lbs of pull. It most replicates my pistol triggers which I like. They all have zero over travel and reset almost instantly. You're best bet is to try them all if possible. Excellent description of the triggers above. My preference between these 3 ranks like this 1. AR Gold (reminds me of a a top level 1911 trigger). I know others opinions may differ on this but I like it. 2. JP (like a top quality bolt gun trigger). No overtravel and almost non-existent pre-travel. 3. Geissele S3G (similar to a ultra smooth Glock trigger). Longer overall travel than I'd like and contrary to Jesse's description, mine has some over travel. I can see how some may prefer this trigger, but I don't. It does have the most positive reset of the bunch. Btw, if you train at all with an NC22 upper, the JP will be the most reliable especially with the latest editions of the NC22 upper. |
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Posted: 4/4/2012 3:12:29 PM
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By BPR:
I have tried the S3G. I haven't put any rounds on one, but did not like the way it felt in dry-firing. It's like a single w/ very smooth creep. I have used the following and favor them in this order: TImney- great break, light, very short reset JP- great break, a little heavier than Timney, short reset CMC- little more creep, not quite as short reset as Timney and JP AR Gold- very light 1st stage, light break, but also weak reset. (also cams the hammer back off the sear when the safety is applied, so the safety is harder to engage) Geissele SSA Fantastic 2 stage, but it's a 2 stage RRA NM Until I got a JP, I thought 2 stage triggers were the best. Best thing you can do is just ask to try some out at a match. For the record I did not like the 3G at first either until I got used to it and not I love it. Its especially great when you are firing from akward positions it just seems easier to break the shot. Pat could you explain what you mean about it being great from akward positions? |
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Posted: 4/5/2012 1:10:55 AM
Originally Posted By PFC_Dustin:
Originally Posted By Glockfan:
Originally Posted By BPR:
I have tried the S3G. I haven't put any rounds on one, but did not like the way it felt in dry-firing. It's like a single w/ very smooth creep. I have used the following and favor them in this order: TImney- great break, light, very short reset JP- great break, a little heavier than Timney, short reset CMC- little more creep, not quite as short reset as Timney and JP AR Gold- very light 1st stage, light break, but also weak reset. (also cams the hammer back off the sear when the safety is applied, so the safety is harder to engage) Geissele SSA Fantastic 2 stage, but it's a 2 stage RRA NM Until I got a JP, I thought 2 stage triggers were the best. Best thing you can do is just ask to try some out at a match. For the record I did not like the 3G at first either until I got used to it and not I love it. Its especially great when you are firing from akward positions it just seems easier to break the shot. Pat could you explain what you mean about it being great from akward positions? Well its hard to explain. Monday I was practicing with a friend around a barricade shooting at MGM auto poppers at 100, 150 and 180 yards. I noticed how it was easy to break the shot with my 3g even when I was really off balance. I did not have to prep the trigger. Now with his Geisselle two stage I had to get the trigger to the wall and then fire and by that time I was usually off target. I did not have a JP to compare that day. But in the past when I had one I found it was easy to break the shot too soon. Its kind of like a three bears fable. Not too much or too little but rather just right. Triggers are highly personal. |
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