 ArmchairOperator556 
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Posted: 12/13/2011 7:48:48 PM
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Posted: 12/14/2011 11:19:21 AM
DPMS's 3G rifle is ok as well and a bit cheaper than stag, Not sure you are going to build a "quality" 3G rifle for much less than the DPMS, I mean as far as quality components....
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Posted: 12/15/2011 8:23:29 PM
Originally Posted By ArmchairOperator556:
I am looking to ditch my S&W M4 Style rifle and get something I can get started in 3 gun with. The Stag 3G looks promising but I've heard you can build a better gun for cheaper. Can someone post an example of some parts/prices that come up to $1200 or less? Barrel Wilson match 1-8ss 20" cut to 16" 205.00 M&I 15" SS tube 165.00 gas block LP and tube 30.00 Upper built RRA 100.00 BCG 85.00 C.handle 10.00 Ace Buttstock 80.00 Noveske Lower 150.00 Jp LPK 30.00 RRA trigger 80.00 Ergo grip 15.00 Bad Lever 25.00 Total 975.00 Some room left for an EoTech 512 Just what I did. 
Don't mind the scope its just there for testing 
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Posted: 12/15/2011 9:01:19 PM
My thoughts on getting started:
Lower: $330 Locally purchased lower: $140 (with transfer fees) Lower Parts Kit: $70 Bill Springfield trigger job on stock LPK parts: $60 A2 Stock assembly: $60 Upper: $1055 BCM 18" rifle upper with VTAC guards: $730 BCM BCG: $140 BCM charging handle: $25 Fixed Front and Rear sights $160 So this is almost $1400 for an iron-sighted rifle that you can continue to build on. Over time, you'd probably add an optic, a different stock, and a different trigger. But this would get you playing. But my larger question is what is this rifle going to do that your M4-ish rifle wouldn't? Depending on where you shoot and what the ranges are, your existing rifle might be completely fine. Nothing wrong with shooting what you've got already for a while to either save up for what you really want, or to figure out what that "really want" really is. |
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Posted: 12/15/2011 9:04:16 PM
[Last Edit: 12/15/2011 9:08:01 PM by caz41]
Another option would be to buy the Stag or DPMS as just an upper and put it on your existing lower.
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Posted: 12/15/2011 9:06:01 PM
Originally Posted By 59Bassman:
My thoughts on getting started: Lower: $330 Locally purchased lower: $140 (with transfer fees) Lower Parts Kit: $70 Bill Springfield trigger job on stock LPK parts: $60 A2 Stock assembly: $60 Upper: $1055 BCM 18" rifle upper with VTAC guards: $730 BCM BCG: $140 BCM charging handle: $25 Fixed Front and Rear sights $160 So this is almost $1400 for an iron-sighted rifle that you can continue to build on. Over time, you'd probably add an optic, a different stock, and a different trigger. But this would get you playing. But my larger question is what is this rifle going to do that your M4-ish rifle wouldn't? Depending on where you shoot and what the ranges are, your existing rifle might be completely fine. Nothing wrong with shooting what you've got already for a while to either save up for what you really want, or to figure out what that "really want" really is. you can buy a Larue Predatar for 100 dollars more. Have a real warranty, lighter weight rifle and top of the line quality |
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Posted: 12/16/2011 4:46:30 AM
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
you can buy a Larue Predatar for 100 dollars more. Have a real warranty, lighter weight rifle and top of the line quality Damn good point, if the Larue is the rifle you want. Plus the Larue would come with a Geissele trigger. |
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Posted: 12/16/2011 8:28:48 AM
Originally Posted By 59Bassman:
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
you can buy a Larue Predatar for 100 dollars more. Have a real warranty, lighter weight rifle and top of the line quality Damn good point, if the Larue is the rifle you want. Plus the Larue would come with a Geissele trigger. Yup |
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Posted: 12/16/2011 10:25:58 AM
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By 59Bassman:
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
you can buy a Larue Predatar for 100 dollars more. Have a real warranty, lighter weight rifle and top of the line quality Damn good point, if the Larue is the rifle you want. Plus the Larue would come with a Geissele trigger. Yup However, if you're on a budget, and need to build-as-you-go, there are ways of going about it piecemeal that don't cost the $1400 at once. I think if you're willing to shop around a bit, consider some of the parts (stock, forend, etc) used, and don't mind being the guy always coming to the range with a new part for the next 9 months, it'd be possible to "pimp" the OP's S&W into a fine 3-gun platform say $250 at a time. |
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Posted: 12/16/2011 9:21:11 PM
Originally Posted By 59Bassman:
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
Originally Posted By 59Bassman:
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
you can buy a Larue Predatar for 100 dollars more. Have a real warranty, lighter weight rifle and top of the line quality Damn good point, if the Larue is the rifle you want. Plus the Larue would come with a Geissele trigger. Yup However, if you're on a budget, and need to build-as-you-go, there are ways of going about it piecemeal that don't cost the $1400 at once. I think if you're willing to shop around a bit, consider some of the parts (stock, forend, etc) used, and don't mind being the guy always coming to the range with a new part for the next 9 months, it'd be possible to "pimp" the OP's S&W into a fine 3-gun platform say $250 at a time. Not interested in pimping the S&W. I can sell it for $800+ and spend less than $400 out of pocket to upgrade to the Stag 3G. It would cost over $800 to make my gun match the 3G specs. ACS Stock: $100 18" Stainless Barrel: $250+ 15" Free Float Monolithic Handguard: $200 Gisselle Trigger: $230 Comp: $30+ |
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Posted: 12/21/2011 12:31:04 PM
[Last Edit: 12/21/2011 12:33:53 PM by StealthyBlagga]
Keep your lower half with M4 stock etc. and sell your M4 barreled upper (keep the bolt/carrier/charging handle for use in the new upper), or sell the whole rifle (if you can really get $800) and start with a new lower half of your choice. Other than the trigger, and the need for mags to drop free, the lower half brand has little impact on 3-gun performance.
Buy the following: BCM 18" upper for $729 JP Match Trigger for $115 Add one of the following muzzle brakes: DPMS Miculek, JP Cooley Tactical, SJC Titan or Triangle Sports Rolling Thunder (say $50-100). There is nothing to be gained by looking outside these four. Lastly, add an optic of your choice (say $300-1000) in a LaRue mount (say $110-220). Spend as much as you can on the optic and mount - it is better to spend $$$ on the best optics you can afford than to piss away a lot of cash on Gucci stocks, grips, rail systems etc. which I can assure you will give little/no performance gain. The above approach could easily come in under your $1200 budget, and would be capable of winning any 3-gun match in the world if you had the ability. |
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Posted: 12/23/2011 12:50:24 AM
Thanks for all the info guys. I ended up selling the m4gery for $900 and buying the 3G.
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Posted: 12/23/2011 11:33:22 AM
[Last Edit: 12/23/2011 11:34:05 AM by Meta4]
Originally Posted By ArmchairOperator556: Thanks for all the info guys. I ended up selling the m4gery for $900 and buying the 3G. Fantastic. Let us know how it shoots! I'm looking at buying the Stag 3G upper and would love to get an unbiased impression. |
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Posted: 12/24/2011 11:26:00 AM
How are you liking the Stag?
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Posted: 12/24/2011 12:14:31 PM
Where's the best price on a 3G upper?
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Posted: 12/25/2011 3:10:54 PM
I bought it online from CTD. Hasn't came in yet.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 9:06:58 PM
Originally Posted By ArmchairOperator556:
I bought it online from CTD. Hasn't came in yet. I see they have the full rifle, but I couldn't find just the upper on their site. |
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Posted: 1/1/2012 1:54:08 AM
I haven't seen the upper alone anywher but on the Stag Arms website yet.
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Posted: 1/1/2012 12:31:01 PM
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I'm not personally familiar with this storefront, but the Stag 3G upper is listed here for $700.
http://www.ar15sales.com/store/page2.html I'm looking at buying this upper next month. Can anyone vouch for this retailer? |
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Posted: 1/1/2012 12:35:44 PM
Originally Posted By Meta4:
I'm not personally familiar with this storefront, but the Stag 3G upper is listed here for $700. http://www.ar15sales.com/store/page2.html I'm looking at buying this upper next month. Can anyone vouch for this retailer? I believe he is the oldest or has the most positive feedback of any seller on AR15.com. He did not gouge anyone when Obama got into office like so many others. Pete is top notch and I have bought a bunch of uppers and kits from him. Buy with complete confidence. You could also ask him how much more it would be to make the buy a kit as he does that as well for any of the uppers he sells. |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 12:38:09 AM
check out rainier arms uppers, they have a few that come in under 800 and you wouldn't have to buy a new lower, just upgrade a trigger maybe. I've got a couple of their upper and they are awesome.
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Posted: 1/22/2012 8:19:14 AM
Originally Posted By M_16_4_REAL:
check out rainier arms uppers, they have a few that come in under 800 and you wouldn't have to buy a new lower, just upgrade a trigger maybe. I've got a couple of their upper and they are awesome. I saw a sweet Rainier handguard in the Samson manufacturing booth at SHOT. It's very similar to the one that Samson builds for Stag Arns but with a different pattern of cooling holes cut into it. Samson makes done cool Shituff! |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 8:28:43 AM
Originally Posted By Meta4:
I'm not personally familiar with this storefront, but the Stag 3G upper is listed here for $700. http://www.ar15sales.com/store/page2.html I'm looking at buying this upper next month. Can anyone vouch for this retailer? In case you are still contemplating this I can tell you that Pete is in fact a first rate guy and you can buy with complete confidence. I ordered one of the Stag 3GH upper from him a week or so ago and had it in matter of days. I now have my Burris XTR 1-4 scope on top and one of my a trusted lowers (with its JP FCG parts) underneath. I've shot it just enough to get it zeroed and do some barrel break in (if you think that is needed). I expect to do more testing and tuning this week. |
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Posted: 3/10/2012 11:33:18 AM
This is a "cheap" 3 gun rifle. It's my 3 gun rifle because it's what I shoot in 3 gun. The accuracy isn't what you'll get with a custom dedicated rifle but it's almost always good enough. Where the accuracy hurts me the most is not getting the first shot hits on the 400 & 500 yard steel. A BDC would be nice but I have my hold-overs down pretty well now.
It got a lot of laughs on the Arfcom side when I called it budget. Everyone was comparing it to their striped down Model 1 Sales builds. DPMS AP4 1/7 chrome lined $775 Nikon Monarch African 1-4 $279 Buris PEPR mount $80 Chip Miccormick single stage match trigger $175 YHM Phantom Brake (not flash hider) $25 Magpul carbine hand guard $29 Magpul BUIS $50 (don't really need but helps cool factor) USGI web sling Free USGI mags Free TOTAL (ready to shoot) $1413 
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Posted: 7/6/2012 6:11:27 PM
$75 - SAA lower $445 - Used CMMG 18" rifle gas upper, complete. Was $625, sold the quad rail ($100) and rear buis ($80) $85 - Nordic Rifle length rail $38 - Nordic tactical comp $69 - PSA MOE+ lpk $75 - RRA A2 Stock $10 - JP trigger / hammer springs $0 - flip up rear buis laying around Total $800 I still need to get an A2 style rear sight, or an optic. |
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Posted: 7/6/2012 8:02:23 PM
Originally Posted By NikatKimber:
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/m5stingray18/Guns/18in%20CMMG%20AR-15/100_5635-Small.jpg $75 - SAA lower $445 - Used CMMG 18" rifle gas upper, complete. Was $625, sold the quad rail ($100) and rear buis ($80) $85 - Nordic Rifle length rail $38 - Nordic tactical comp $69 - PSA MOE+ lpk $75 - RRA A2 Stock $10 - JP trigger / hammer springs $0 - flip up rear buis laying around Total $800 I still need to get an A2 style rear sight, or an optic. Nice! Does this mean your going to shoot the match wins this month? |
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Posted: 7/7/2012 12:51:52 AM
I tend to do okay in tac limited with this.
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Posted: 7/7/2012 1:12:02 AM
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Originally Posted By NikatKimber:
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/m5stingray18/Guns/18in%20CMMG%20AR-15/100_5635-Small.jpg $75 - SAA lower $445 - Used CMMG 18" rifle gas upper, complete. Was $625, sold the quad rail ($100) and rear buis ($80) $85 - Nordic Rifle length rail $38 - Nordic tactical comp $69 - PSA MOE+ lpk $75 - RRA A2 Stock $10 - JP trigger / hammer springs $0 - flip up rear buis laying around Total $800 I still need to get an A2 style rear sight, or an optic. Nice! Does this mean your going to shoot the match wins this month? Unfortunately not. The next time I'm free for one of the OKCGC matches is in October. That's on the calendar though. Gotta find another local saturday match that's on a different weekend. |
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Posted: 7/7/2012 9:19:18 AM
[Last Edit: 7/7/2012 11:01:14 AM by MGKelley]
Entry AR for cheap
This article is geared more toward the "new guys" who are looking for their first AR. And I have no doubt that any top level shooter could "wreak havoc" over most other 3 gunners with one of the "starter carbines" described. Patrick |
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Posted: 7/7/2012 10:25:36 AM
Originally Posted By NikatKimber:
Originally Posted By JesseTischauser:
Originally Posted By NikatKimber:
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/m5stingray18/Guns/18in%20CMMG%20AR-15/100_5635-Small.jpg $75 - SAA lower $445 - Used CMMG 18" rifle gas upper, complete. Was $625, sold the quad rail ($100) and rear buis ($80) $85 - Nordic Rifle length rail $38 - Nordic tactical comp $69 - PSA MOE+ lpk $75 - RRA A2 Stock $10 - JP trigger / hammer springs $0 - flip up rear buis laying around Total $800 I still need to get an A2 style rear sight, or an optic. Nice! Does this mean your going to shoot the match wins this month? Unfortunately not. The next time I'm free for one of the OKCGC matches is in October. That's on the calendar though. Gotta find another local saturday match that's on a different weekend. Check out that 2 gun match up at oil capital. It's the first Saturday of the month. It's not anything close to 3 gun but it will get your feet wet. |
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Posted: 8/6/2012 12:57:31 PM
My first was not too bad:
Lower $90 LPK $55 Mega single stage tigger $85 Blem BCM upper $80 CH $20 Used BCG $80 Troy TRX 13" $160 DPMS MK12 18" BBL $160 A1 stock assy $50 TAC30 and Burris mount (EE used) $330 Nordic comp $35 $1065 |
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Posted: 9/9/2012 5:52:42 PM
I know this thread is old but I figured I would post my cheap build anyway.
I started with a carbine and decided I wanted something a little better suited for 3 gun. From the carbine I kept both receivers, parts kit, trap door, buffer assembly and forward assist. I sold everything else off the gun. This is what I added. -20" Hbar (Bought brand new off gunbroker) $90 -Nordic XL Hand Guard $100 -Nordic Comp $50 -DPMS BCG (From Nordic) $110 -Rifle Length Gas Tube $10 -Sadlak Lo Pro Gas Block $27 -JP Trigger Spring Kit $10 -UBR Stock, Traded a TLR2 for this -Burris Tac30 w/ PEPR Mount $400 After selling the barrel, stock, etc from the carbine I only spent a couple hundred bucks on this set up minus the optics. This is by no means the best set up but I'm also not the best 3 gunner. I enjoy the sport and bought what I could afford. Sorry for the bad pic.  |
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Posted: 9/10/2012 6:49:23 AM
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Posted: 9/10/2012 11:45:29 PM
I miss my DPMS. I built this for CA.
Ruger Mini-14 $700 Nikon 1-4 dangerous game scope - canned from the DPMS above Karsten cheek rest - $54 Smith Enterprise muzzle brake $79 Haven't got mags yet because I don't want to go to jail. Total $833. 
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Posted: 11/7/2012 6:44:48 AM
I build mine up piecemeal also.
Stag 3GH .........$700 A-P lower complete less stock ...$130 Geissele S3G trigger.....$210 Ergo grip.......Free off prize table Ergo F93 Pro stock.......Free off prize table Dueck iron sights........$200 Sightmark 1-6x24 + AimSport cantilever scopemount.....$175 30 Rd Pmags.....Free off prize table If you knock off the things I added later it really came to only $1000. |
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Posted: 11/7/2012 9:13:09 PM
Originally Posted By ArmchairOperator556:
I am looking to ditch my S&W M4 Style rifle and get something I can get started in 3 gun with. The Stag 3G looks promising but I've heard you can build a better gun for cheaper. Can someone post an example of some parts/prices that come up to $1200 or less? I love assembling AR's but its hard to beat the Stag for the price. Pat |
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Posted: 11/8/2012 9:47:54 AM
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Originally Posted By ArmchairOperator556:
I am looking to ditch my S&W M4 Style rifle and get something I can get started in 3 gun with. The Stag 3G looks promising but I've heard you can build a better gun for cheaper. Can someone post an example of some parts/prices that come up to $1200 or less? I love assembling AR's but its hard to beat the Stag for the price. Pat +1 I put a Stag 3G upper on my existing tried and true lower (with its JP FCG). After shooting it all year I’ve been very happy with the results (and the price). The one change I did make was swapping the Stag factory comp for a Miculek comp which made the gun shooter flatter |
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Posted: 11/8/2012 3:10:26 PM
I made it most of the year in TacOps (one match) and Tac Irons (with Aimpoint M4s) with this rifle.... Accuracy was great, but silencer mount wasnt quite as good as a competition brake.
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Bushnell 1-6.5x24 and LaRue mount have been swapped to it for a final club match this month, and the rest of next year as I think I'm done with heavy and irons. |
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Posted: 12/8/2012 5:53:06 PM
PSA Lower/upper
DPMS Stainless 18" 1:8 barrel Rifle length gas system Vlto Stock Yankee Hill Freefloat Jard Single stage trigger FSC 556 brake Had a Weaver 1.5x^ scope buy just swapped otu out for an Aimpoint  |
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