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Posted: 3/19/2017 4:57:22 PM EDT

He stood there for a good 3 minutes not moving, just looking around. There where coons moving, so maybe he was waiting his turn.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAL0wujm_iE

Posted: 3/19/2017 5:15:20 PM EDT

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still loading

Posted: 3/19/2017 5:17:11 PM EDT

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yup, still loading

Posted: 3/19/2017 5:19:05 PM EDT

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Well I guess the guy is so shy that even the video won't load.

Posted: 3/19/2017 7:25:32 PM EDT

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No workee.

Posted: 3/19/2017 7:34:00 PM EDT

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He could see your ir illuminator.

Posted: 3/19/2017 7:41:59 PM EDT

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I thought hogs couldn't see IR light. I was thinking he saw the emitter, but it's only 1 half inch square.

Posted: 3/19/2017 7:55:37 PM EDT

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Well, he died tired.

Posted: 3/19/2017 8:20:44 PM EDT

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I agree. I have some game cam video of bucks eating corn off the stalks and as soon as the cam turns on they freak out and run. This was with an older Cuddeback, around 2008.

I also can see the IR LEDs lit up on my security cams under certain conditions. They glow an orangish red color. Might just be the cheap ones that are visible?

Posted: 3/19/2017 8:39:00 PM EDT

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No shit, not like the poor fucker' isn't worth another .29

Posted: 3/20/2017 11:38:21 AM EDT

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I thought hogs couldn't see IR light. I was thinking he saw the emitter, but it's only 1 half inch square.

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Just because you can see an emitter, does not mean you can see infrared light.

Unless the illuminator is a laser, it is going to radiate in the visible, and very sharp cutoff filters are very expensive, so most equipment radiates a bit in the visible range, and the filter lets it through.

Many nocturnal animals are red blind, but I don't know about hogs.

Posted: 3/20/2017 12:27:07 PM EDT

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Hogs can see your IR emitter.
If you keep the IR emitter still and not move it the hog may feel safe and come in. When you keep moving the emitter it throws shadow the hog can see the moving shadow which makes the hog more cautious. I've seen hogs run off the minute the IR emitter is turned on while others don't care. Same with red and green led lights...sometimes they don't care and sometimes they run off. I think it's not the light itself that scare them but the shadow that moves around that scares them.

Posted: 3/20/2017 4:35:30 PM EDT

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Just with a few minutes of poking around, I can't find anything at all on infrared vision in mammals.

I searched "Infrared Vision in the Suidae" and "Infrared Vision in Mammals" among other terms.

No joy.

Carry on.

If anybody can cite a paper in a refereed journal, I'll change my mind.

Posted: 3/20/2017 5:05:41 PM EDT

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Just with a few minutes of poking around, I can't find anything at all on infrared vision in mammals.

I searched "Infrared Vision in the Suidae" and "Infrared Vision in Mammals" among other terms.

No joy.

Carry on.

If anybody can cite a paper in a refereed journal, I'll change my mind.

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Just with a few minutes of poking around, I can't find anything at all on infrared vision in mammals.

I searched "Infrared Vision in the Suidae" and "Infrared Vision in Mammals" among other terms.

No joy.

Carry on.

If anybody can cite a paper in a refereed journal, I'll change my mind.

Not sure exactly what you were looking for, but:

Pigs have dichromatic vision; in the pig’s eye there
are two sets of cones that give the animal peak
wavelength sensitivity at 439 nm (blue color) and
556 nm (green color). The photoreceptors in a pig’s
eye cannot detect the color red (>650 nm) (Neitz &
Jacobs, 1989; Taylor, 2006).

from: https://www.onceinnovations.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Science-of-Swine-Vision.pdf

first reference:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/20667788_Spectral_sensitivity_of_cones_in_an_ungulate

Couldn't locate the link for the second reference 2006

Posted: 3/20/2017 5:17:17 PM EDT

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His eyeball got a lot more reflective once it popped out of his skull.

Posted: 3/20/2017 5:18:20 PM EDT

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No shit, not like the poor fucker' isn't worth another .29

Why would you put more holes in a dead animal?

Posted: 3/20/2017 5:36:34 PM EDT

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What model ATN? What range? Pretty good resolution...

Posted: 3/20/2017 5:44:25 PM EDT

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first gen X Sight, maybe 30-40 yards.

Posted: 3/20/2017 5:49:00 PM EDT

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Not sure exactly what you were looking for, but:

from: https://www.onceinnovations.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Science-of-Swine-Vision.pdf

first reference:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/20667788_Spectral_sensitivity_of_cones_in_an_ungulate

Couldn't locate the link for the second reference 2006

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That says that pigs are red blind, so it is therefor very unlikely that they can see into the infrared if they can't even see red.

ETA: That means that you could hunt the fuckers with a searchlight, if it had a good cutoff filter over it.

Posted: 3/20/2017 6:00:22 PM EDT

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That says that pigs are red blind, so it is therefor very unlikely that they can see into the infrared if they can't even see red.

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Yeah, looks like anything greater than 650nm.

Posted: 3/20/2017 10:19:37 PM EDT

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Maybe you moved a bit off the eye piece and he caught the white light reflecting off your face. I have had them catch that on really skittish hogs. And then again the wind may have swirled just enough to make him nervous. And who knows what he may have smelled from a different direction that just made him nervous. There could have been a bigger pig out of sight that was more dominate.

Posted: 3/20/2017 10:45:13 PM EDT

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Posted: 3/21/2017 7:03:08 PM EDT

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Yep. OP saw he was suffering and didn't take a kill shot to end it.

Posted: 3/21/2017 7:05:59 PM EDT

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Yep. OP saw he was suffering and didn't take a kill shot to end it.

Posted: 3/21/2017 7:12:19 PM EDT

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I guess it was more important to keep the camera rolling?

Posted: 3/21/2017 7:13:11 PM EDT

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I guess it was more important to keep the camera rolling?

It was dead, it just took a bullet to the head.

Posted: 3/23/2017 7:51:41 PM EDT

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It took a 270 bullet to the brain. It was dead before it hit the ground. If you notice immediately after the shot, it froze for a few seconds, and then started twitching? that's a brain shot. that thrashing around was the spinal cord and nervous system catching up with reality. A second bullet would have just chewed up meat.

Here's some science for you:

If HEADSHOTS kill INSTANTLY, why all the THRASHING around?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1INVWP-HnI

Posted: 3/24/2017 4:59:57 PM EDT

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Boy do I love science.

Posted: 3/24/2017 5:08:32 PM EDT

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xanadu
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Are you guys going to apologize?

Posted: 3/24/2017 6:35:39 PM EDT

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X2 Come on Guy's you know the cost of ammo...

Posted: 3/27/2017 11:19:52 PM EDT

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Nice shot! Pig down!
Yes the hog can see the red glow coming from the LED bulb of the IR light. Go in a dark room and turn the IR light on and look at the bulb. Hogs can see that red bulb too. Sometimes they don't consider it a threat and don't care. Sometimes they've been educated to know that red glow means danger after surviving previous hunts when IR lights were used to kill their buddies and they run immediately when they see it. My experience has been that usually if you're over 75 yards away, and the hogs haven't had night vision/IR light hunting pressure they will ignore it.
Yes the hog was dead immediately after the shot and it was his nervous system spazzing out. Similar to when you cut off a snake's head and the body squirms around for several minutes afterwards.

Posted: 3/28/2017 9:11:25 PM EDT

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Nice shot! Pig down!
Yes the hog can see the red glow coming from the LED bulb of the IR light. Go in a dark room and turn the IR light on and look at the bulb. Hogs can see that red bulb too. Sometimes they don't consider it a threat and don't care. Sometimes they've been educated to know that red glow means danger after surviving previous hunts when IR lights were used to kill their buddies and they run immediately when they see it. My experience has been that usually if you're over 75 yards away, and the hogs haven't had night vision/IR light hunting pressure they will ignore it.
Yes the hog was dead immediately after the shot and it was his nervous system spazzing out. Similar to when you cut off a snake's head and the body squirms around for several minutes afterwards.

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There's not a lot of hunting pressure on our lease, and even less NV/IR pressure. As far as I know, I'm the only one using IR. Every one else uses green lights.

I was about 35-40 yards from him. close enough for him to be cautious I guess. He could have made me by smell, or the light.