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Posted: 12/16/2014 11:19:16 AM EDT
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Fed Fusion MSR (62 gr). Easy to find and it simply works.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 11:41:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fed Fusion MSR (62 gr). Easy to find and it simply works. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 2:52:05 PM EDT
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55 or 62 FMJ, go for what is on sale
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Posted: 12/16/2014 3:20:41 PM EDT
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FPNI, I switched to the 62gr fusion MSR for my 16' BCM as its exclusive hunting round due to it being so easy to find in my parts, every Walmart and gustier has it in store and even a few hardware stores like they used to. Its effective and accurate and reasonably priced in my opinion. I'm a fan.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 4:01:01 PM EDT
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Fed Fusion MSR (62 gr). Easy to find and it simply works. OK, but here's a question: Federal shows two different products for .223 Fusion. One is just plain "Fusion" and it's listed @ 3000 fps MV, while the "Fusion MSR" is shown @ 2750 fps MV. Is the plain "Fusion" therefore loaded a little hotter than the "Fusion MSR"? |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 7:50:48 PM EDT
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xm193 or any 5.56 55g fmj works pretty well.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 7:52:10 PM EDT
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xm193 or any 5.56 55g fmj works pretty well. What I said but fell on deaf ears |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 9:30:27 PM EDT
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Not sure where in GA you live you cannot find decent 556 ammo. I can get Barnes, hoghammer anytime at Academy. And as other said, M193 or M855 works fine on hogs at those distances.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 10:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, but here's a question: Federal shows two different products for .223 Fusion. One is just plain "Fusion" and it's listed @ 3000 fps MV, while the "Fusion MSR" is shown @ 2750 fps MV. Is the plain "Fusion" therefore loaded a little hotter than the "Fusion MSR"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fed Fusion MSR (62 gr). Easy to find and it simply works. OK, but here's a question: Federal shows two different products for .223 Fusion. One is just plain "Fusion" and it's listed @ 3000 fps MV, while the "Fusion MSR" is shown @ 2750 fps MV. Is the plain "Fusion" therefore loaded a little hotter than the "Fusion MSR"? |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:10:44 PM EDT
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OK, but here's a question: Federal shows two different products for .223 Fusion. One is just plain "Fusion" and it's listed @ 3000 fps MV, while the "Fusion MSR" is shown @ 2750 fps MV. Is the plain "Fusion" therefore loaded a little hotter than the "Fusion MSR"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fed Fusion MSR (62 gr). Easy to find and it simply works. OK, but here's a question: Federal shows two different products for .223 Fusion. One is just plain "Fusion" and it's listed @ 3000 fps MV, while the "Fusion MSR" is shown @ 2750 fps MV. Is the plain "Fusion" therefore loaded a little hotter than the "Fusion MSR"? 
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Posted: 12/17/2014 7:30:25 PM EDT
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Fed Fusion MSR (62 gr). Easy to find and it simply works. OK, but here's a question: Federal shows two different products for .223 Fusion. One is just plain "Fusion" and it's listed @ 3000 fps MV, while the "Fusion MSR" is shown @ 2750 fps MV. Is the plain "Fusion" therefore loaded a little hotter than the "Fusion MSR"?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5ZnQmKy2oCouldn't get the pic or video to come up. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 2:52:33 PM EDT
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Try it now.
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Posted: 12/19/2014 10:06:07 AM EDT
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Try it now. Yep, that did it-thanks much! It seems to me that it still isn't clear what difference if any exists between the two rounds. It's sorta a matter of who you listen to. I may try to call Federal and see if pressing them a bit clarifies it any. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 11:17:17 AM EDT
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This is not completely scientific, but it's what I have found in my personal experience.
Under 35 yards - use any FMJ or soft point .223 35-100 yards - use a 62grn soft point. 100 yards and up, use a larger caliber or head shots only with the 62grn soft point. Things to avoid for shots past 35 yards - ballistic tip varmint rounds, or anything that is going to fragment quickly. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 7:46:49 PM EDT
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OK, not to hijack my own thread but I just got off the phone with Federal. It's pretty easy to tell I'm not the first person to ask them about this. They swear that there is a difference in the two rounds. The bullet is identical, but the primer and primer cup are different in the MSR. Additionally, they use different powders with the MSR being cleaner burning and optimized for a 16" barrel. Kicker is that they maintain that fired in identical barrels the MSR would have more velocity every time than the regular Fusion.
I tend to think they're being truthful here. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:24:34 PM EDT
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Winchester 64 grain SP works well. Available in factory loads, but I stuff my own. Kills hogs just fine. Deer too.
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:37:39 PM EDT
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The MSR version supposedly has a harder primer which is more suitable for the AR15's floating firing pin. Sounds like they may also be loading it with a modified burn rate propellant or something like that for better performance out of shorter barrels.
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Posted: 12/29/2014 8:55:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, not to hijack my own thread but I just got off the phone with Federal. It's pretty easy to tell I'm not the first person to ask them about this. They swear that there is a difference in the two rounds. The bullet is identical, but the primer and primer cup are different in the MSR. Additionally, they use different powders with the MSR being cleaner burning and optimized for a 16" barrel. Kicker is that they maintain that fired in identical barrels the MSR would have more velocity every time than the regular Fusion. I tend to think they're being truthful here. |
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Posted: 12/30/2014 7:55:23 PM EDT
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What about 62gr green tips? Haven't shot any yet but will in the next week. Figure its an AP round it should be able to get the job done. Coming out of a 10.5" PWS with silencerco specwar suppressor.
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Posted: 12/30/2014 8:38:02 PM EDT
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What about 62gr green tips? Haven't shot any yet but will in the next week. Figure its an AP round it should be able to get the job done. Coming out of a 10.5" PWS with silencerco specwar suppressor. Thanks Quote HistoryQuoted:
What about 62gr green tips? Haven't shot any yet but will in the next week. Figure its an AP round it should be able to get the job done. Coming out of a 10.5" PWS with silencerco specwar suppressor. Thanks First, it's not "AP". Second... http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#.223 Why not M193/M855?
While these are not bad bullets, you will note that they are subject to large variations in neck length (distance the bullet penetrates before fragmenting); this variability is not desirable. In case of the short neck length, it is indeed an effective bullet. When 855 doesn't begin to fragment until 8"+, it will not be very effective on front torso shots and thin individuals; this explains the dissatisfaction of US combat troops with M855 in some cases. This is due to a phenomenon recently discovered called the "fleet yaw issue". 
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Posted: 12/31/2014 10:46:01 PM EDT
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What about 62gr green tips? Haven't shot any yet but will in the next week. Figure its an AP round it should be able to get the job done. Coming out of a 10.5" PWS with silencerco specwar suppressor. Thanks M855 is inferior to xm193 for hog killing. M855 punches holes. Xm193 tumbles and fragments when it hits bone. |
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Posted: 1/1/2015 3:16:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M855 is inferior to xm193 for hog killing. M855 punches holes. Xm193 tumbles and fragments when it hits bone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What about 62gr green tips? Haven't shot any yet but will in the next week. Figure its an AP round it should be able to get the job done. Coming out of a 10.5" PWS with silencerco specwar suppressor. Thanks M855 is inferior to xm193 for hog killing. M855 punches holes. Xm193 tumbles and fragments when it hits bone. |
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Posted: 1/1/2015 9:14:20 PM EDT
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Liberty Silverado .223
Lead free awesomeness. Check it out on YouTube |
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Posted: 1/1/2015 9:16:31 PM EDT
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Liberty Silverado .223
Lead free awesomeness. Check it out on YouTube |
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Posted: 1/1/2015 10:17:49 PM EDT
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If I am after hogs I leave the .223 at home and opt for the 6.8 Rem. or 6.5 Grendel. I carry the .223 primarily for coyotes and use a varmint bullet to keep pelt damage down. If I take a shot on a hog with the .223 I try for the head neck shot and be done with it. My advice get what shoots the most accurate in your rifle…
P.S. I kill most of the hogs I catch with a .22 pistol. |
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Posted: 1/3/2015 3:09:50 PM EDT
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If I am after hogs I leave the .223 at home and opt for the 6.8 Rem. or 6.5 Grendel. I carry the .223 primarily for coyotes and use a varmint bullet to keep pelt damage down. If I take a shot on a hog with the .223 I try for the head neck shot and be done with it. My advice get what shoots the most accurate in your rifle… P.S. I kill most of the hogs I catch with a .22 pistol. THIS |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 10:55:31 PM EDT
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These 62 grain soft point and TSX were recovered out of pigs this weekend.
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