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Posted: 7/27/2012 12:57:34 PM

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Can hogs see blazing orange color safety vest and hat?
My friend claims he's never seen a hog while deer hunting because he's wearing blazing orange safety vest and hat.
He belives deers can't see it except as a gray tone color but hogs can see it stand out.

What do you say?
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Posted: 7/27/2012 2:09:11 PM
Hogs have pretty bad eyesight. Not really too sure what colors they pick up though. This week I drove by one, backed up, got out and waited for him to come into a clear spot and shot him. I was never more than 60yds away and he never seen me.
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Posted: 7/27/2012 4:19:47 PM
Hogs may not have great eye sight but they sure can pickup movements really well.
Had a hog run off when I slowly turned my body and rifle 90 degrees to get a shot on a hog and he was about 80 yards away.

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Posted: 7/27/2012 6:26:43 PM
It is more likely the hogs smelled you than saw you...
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Posted: 7/27/2012 10:54:53 PM
Originally Posted By SkyPup:
It is more likely the hogs smelled you than saw you...


I agree with this. If you stay down wind and move decently slow, you can get really close, and it is fun as hell.
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Posted: 7/28/2012 7:54:47 AM
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Originally Posted By yobo:

Can hogs see blazing orange color safety vest and hat?

Yes and No. Hogs have Dichromate vision and can not see Blaze Orange (as WE see it) approximately 605 nm, BUT.....they are very sensitive to Tonal Aspect, meaning that IF the object sharply contrasts with the field environment, they are apt to notice it.

My friend claims he's never seen a hog while deer hunting because he's wearing blazing orange safety vest and hat.

It could be a contributing factor, but not because of the "color". Rather, the 'tone'...might be giving him away. Imagine a large, (light colored...solid object) contrasting against a darker background. Add to that...a little movement...and the relatively unnatural shape, and you have something Hogs WILL notice. They may ...or may not 'react' harshly to it...but they will notice!

He belives deers can't see it except as a gray tone color but hogs can see it stand out.

Deer and Hogs are completely different animals in terms of what they notice, how accepting they are of changes in their environment and how they react to stimuli.

Neither animal can see Blaze Orange (as the same brilliant color WE see it), but they don't have to.

ANY solid color (light or dark)...that contrasts with the background or surrounding field environment can be a problem. With deer, a lack of movement will often deter any further investigation, they will look at you for awhile, maybe try to incite some movement (head bobs, foot stomping, etc), but generally will settle down....or at least not 'blow out of there".

With hogs...it has been my experience..that they are MUCH more inclined to be cautious.

Have your friend make efforts to break up his pattern (use patterned Blaze Orange clothing IF legal in his area) and be aware of field conditions that make him sharply contrast. I.E. late in the day....solid Blaze Orange vest and cap, he takes up a position next to a dark green Cedar Tree. Presto, he stands out "like a diamond in a goats ass"!

Not because of Blaze Orange, but because of 'contrast'.


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Posted: 7/28/2012 11:44:07 PM
I've been asked 'how did you see that hog with your naked eye' Well I'm glad I learned something over the last decade.
I see damn good at night, and as far as seeing at night I know the hogs see better than me, like 90 percent of the time, they see any movement way better.
I were camo at night, it helps to not look like a dot or stand out.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 12:24:35 AM
I'm not sure what colors they can see, but they damn sure are good at spotting movement. Me and David were sitting in a blind last year waiting on a group to come in one morning and here they came. They were coming from the left side of the blind that had been sitting out there for about a month and I could see them but David couldn't. I was running the camera that morning and David was shooting.

I told him that they were coming when I first spotted them and I was just sitting still watching them. David started getting ready and brought the gun up and the very end of the barrel went out the front window of the blind and the front one went from a trot to a complete stop, then blew and took off. Just that tiny bit of movement was enough to grab it's attention.

I also don't think hogs can see too much better than we can at night. They sure as hell don't have anywhere the night vision that deer do. We get right up on them out in the open all of the time and they never know we're there until the shooting starts. Slow quiet movements is the key at night and having the wind in the right direction helps but I don't think it's as important as being quiet.

That said, I think deer have pretty good sight at dusk and sunrise, but I don't think they can see as well at night near as well as I used to think they could. We get withing 40-50 yards of deer on a regular basis at night without them spooking. They'll stare at us and they know something is there but they obviously don't know it's a person because they won't run. When they do spook they'll usually just trot off a little ways and stop again. They can see the movement and know something is there but their night vision isn't good enough to make out what we are or identify us as a threat. We've got some pretty cool night vision video of deer we've got pretty close to when we're out hog huntin.


Originally Posted By thedehoganator:
I see damn good at night,



How about when you turn off the night vision?

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Posted: 7/29/2012 1:51:27 AM
As mentioned contrast not color comes into play. Same reason blaze orange camo works just like regular camo when hunting deer, they see the contrast and as long as it's broken up it's not much different than the tree's in the background. Pigs have really bad vision so they can't see you at a distance unless you are, as mentioned, contrasted against the rest of the background. I watched a documentary that showed the biologist walking right up to wild hogs simply by walking slowly downwind and breaking up his shape. He did the same thing with a big wood or cardboard (can't remember) cutout of a hog shape. It was the wrong color and had no resemblance to a hog other than the shape and he got within a few feet of them without them seeing anything was wrong. They saw a blurred shape of a hog and to them it was another hog. They can't see worth a damn. As long as they can't smell you or differentiate between you and the background you aren't going to get busted so you can wear hot pink when hunting them as long as the shape is broken up (hmmm...I wonder if they make hot pink camo?).

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Posted: 7/29/2012 7:56:57 AM
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Michael your going to find out tonight, just follow me single file. your going to love the place.

ETA ; Yes there is pink camo, camo with some pink try 'she camo' (Kat looks good in it)....hmmm..I wonder....OK i started it.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 10:01:02 AM
This hits on the same as " hogs can't see red" argument. They might not see the color red as we do, however they see something. It might be a different color than the actual red, but they know something is there. Much like a color blind person. Just because your color blind doesn't mean your blind. Some animals will run right away when they see you, then some will sit there and look at you for awhile. However, if they see you and catch your scent most of the time there out of there.

Like others have stated they will pick up your movement if they don't catch your scent first. I hunt similar to a couple of the other posters, and at night you can get right up on them in wide open pastures in the middle of the night with nvd's. However, if there is a bright moon out, it's much harder to get on them. You can get so close, but it always seems there's a big boar hog that knows something is not right.
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Posted: 7/29/2012 10:08:11 AM
Originally Posted By km2006dmax:
You can get so close, but it always seems there's a big boar hog that knows something is not right.



This is the truth and sometimes it's kinda weird. We had this happen again a few weeks ago. Saw a big boar out in a cut wheat field and started moving in towards it. We had been watching him for a bit and as we closed in he started acting weird. He knew something wasn't right but he didn't know what as he would stop and raise his head and look around in different directions.

Finally he had enough and he started trotting away from where he was to an opening to leave the field except he was actually running cross-ways towards us until he got about 40 yards out then he stopped and stared at us.

He had felt a disturbance in the force.

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Posted: 7/30/2012 1:53:36 AM
A lot of people have differing experiences and come to different conclusions.

A lot of guys touched on things that I have noticed as well.

When people claim that pigs can't see well, I think we have to put it into relative terms. They don't have the eyesight of deer that will pick you up moving slightly from 500 yards away, but if you feel you see well, you are still probably not seeing as well as a pig.

Years ago when I was still hunting with a red light on my bow that I would flip on when the pigs came in. At first they paid no attention to the light. After about 5 years hogs went from moving away from the light to hauling ass the second I flipped the light on. I tried everything. I even taped the light off with electrical tape to where it probably had less than 1 square inch of lens still shining. The pigs definitely saw that light and eventually started associating it with danger.

The other thing that I noticed, was subtle little things like kicking on my old Nightowl nightvision would scare them off. That was the faint glow of the IR led that was scaring them. At first I thought they saw the IR light, then I realized it was the faint glow that scared them. You have to realize that when you are 10 or 20 yards away, they see everything and don't miss shit.

Another thing I noticed one night, the clouds rolled in before a storm, it became so dark I literally could not see my hand. It was completely pitch black dark. One of those nights you hear about, but seldom ever experience and I had pigs come to my feeder and start feeding. They weren't running into trees on their way in and I didn't hear them hit any when they ran away at full speed either, so they could see way better than me cause I couldn't see shit. That always made an impression on me and I have always taken that into account anytime I was sneaking up on some in the dark. Go slow and use as much cover as possible.

And big boars do seem to have a sixth sense about them, but I'm convinced it just about has to be a faint sound or scent that they can't quite place. I built a shooting house at my favorite spot and an almost airtight box eliminates that sixth sense , but if you open the window too long before shooting, and they get the slightest whiff they will haul ass then too. Of course the thing about bowhunting in close quarters with limited visibility is, you never know what you don't see.

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Posted: 7/30/2012 12:21:15 PM
Last deer season I was walking to my stand in the morning in the dark with no flashlight, next thing I know I'm in the middle of a sounder of scared/pissed of hogs that are running every wich way around me. I had one run so close I felt the wind against my legs. Scared the hell outta me for sure. I ended up killing one and continued on to my stand.

I think that maybe if there isn't much or any pressure on them they just aren't scared and don't see humans as much of a threat. Last year I didn't shoot that many hogs before deer season as I had in the past and I think that's why I was able to walk up on them so much. It's turning out to be the same this summer. Or maybe my Native American ancestery mixed with my ninjitsu training has started to pay off.
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Posted: 8/19/2012 12:06:46 PM
Originally Posted By thedehoganator:
I've been asked 'how did you see that hog with your naked eye' Well I'm glad I learned something over the last decade.
I see damn good at night, and as far as seeing at night I know the hogs see better than me, like 90 percent of the time, they see any movement way better.
I were camo at night, it helps to not look like a dot or stand out.


I agree. They are like TRex. They only see movement.