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Posted: 5/8/2012 6:45:27 PM
Originally Posted By semperserveranceSTA:
Krpind - I should clarify. I shoot right in the crease at the low part of the front leg. About 2 in high above the belly line. Even if you barely miss the heart the hydrostatic shock DRTs em for every time. My round usually goes through the heart and lungs. That diagram has the heart to far forward IMHO. However if its a long shot or offhand snap shot the middle of the neck is where I go.http://pbckt.com/pH.Nz3Wvw
http://pbckt.com/pH.Nz3Wvw




That is a hell of a nice pig.



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Posted: 5/8/2012 7:14:31 PM
Ditto that, I always shoot mine the same way too, always one shot and DRT:

125 yards Hornady 75 grain BTHP handload


225 yards hornady 75 grain BTHP handload


175 yards Hornady 75 grain BTHP Handload


145 yards Hornady 75 grain BTHP


Dozens more like that all 5.56mm shot right behind the elbow through the lungs........

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Posted: 5/8/2012 7:30:16 PM
Originally Posted By SkyPup:

175 yards Hornady 75 grain BTHP Handload
http://www.phossil.com/thom/TC/Monster%20Hog/TC%20Hog7.jpg

145 yards Hornady 75 grain BTHP
http://www.phossil.com/thom/TC/Monster%20Hog%20II/Monster%20Hog%20IIA.jpg




Credit goes to Kevin at Texas Boars for this article and great photos.

http://www.texasboars.com/anatomy.html

I assure you that shooting pigs as far back as you are showing on the two photos above and getting "Dead Right There" kills are extremely atypical.

The heart and lungs are exactly as shown in the link to Texas Boars and shooting hundreds of them personally with both a gun and bow I can attest that shots that far back even with 25-06 usually don't produce a DRT kill. Obviously it can happen, but it isn't the "norm".

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Posted: 5/8/2012 9:24:10 PM
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I did not shoot those until I had a precise aiming shot from my stand, ie I was not standing, squatting, or whatever, I was sitting with my rifle rested and the hogs were not moving. Sometimes it took 5- 10 minutes to get the right shot and many many other times I did not shoot at all because the proper shot did not present itself.

Those photos are not showing the entry point, they show the exit wound on the far side after the lungs were toasted. I shoot right behind the elbow notch everytime.

In two of those shots, the bullet or fragments of the bullets passed entirely through the thoracic cavity of the boars and killed piglets standing on the far side of them that I did not know were there.

This past year I have switched over from Hornady, Nosler or SMK 75-77grain OTMs to Barnes TSX 70 grain handloads exclusively due to the increased penetration and bullet performance:







The lung damage with the Barnes is more reliable and they never make it more than 50 feet, the above bullet was recovered from one of my other lung shots where it lodged in the far shoulder and did not exit after passing through the ribcage on a 175 yard kill.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 9:48:38 PM
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Originally Posted By SkyPup:
they never make it more than 50 feet.


Ahh.

That certainly makes more sense.
I think most people think of DRT shots as "planted on the spot" with the pig never taking a step.

Also try the quartering away instead of quarter to shot that you are describing. Aim with the entrance where you describe but for an exit through the opposite shoulder. That will often result in a DRT result. I still would take the neck shot though.

Try it. I bet it will make a believer out of you.

ETA. I see in your edit you talk about a quartering away shot. BTW with my bow, I almost 100% attempt to wait on the quartering away shot to drive the broadhead into the area behind the shoulder. Shot behind the leg and not quartering away are likely to end up with a lost pig.

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Posted: 5/8/2012 11:43:35 PM
Yeah, you are right, DRT is basically a CNS severed shot, however with a good lung shot they are completely exsanguinated within 20 seconds and rarely ever more than 50-75 feet from POI.

You being a bow hunter, I am sure you are intimately aware of that!
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Posted: 5/12/2012 4:38:48 PM
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shot placement is key...yada yada yada.

Well, what is proper shot placement on a hog with a 308?

what is proper shot placement on a hog with a 5.56?

what about a deer, should it be different?


Well first you gotta actually hit the deer or hog.

Proper shot placement would be the vital areas.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 10:43:46 AM
Originally Posted By truculenity:
shot placement is key...yada yada yada.

Well, what is proper shot placement on a hog with a 308?

what is proper shot placement on a hog with a 5.56?

what about a deer, should it be different?
ta be honest took my hunters safety coarse back in the 60's... an every gun iv'e owned never did give proper shot placement in the owners manual..

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Posted: 5/13/2012 6:51:32 PM
Ok I have been looking at these pictures and there seems to be something growing out of the neck of this hog. Am I seeing things or does this pig look like he lived a bit too close to the nuc power plant??
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Posted: 5/13/2012 7:34:19 PM
That is a 72 inch hydraulic root grapple, those are big steel prongs....he did glow in the dark with the NV gear though...
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Posted: 5/13/2012 8:42:59 PM
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Originally Posted By SkyPup:
That is a 72 inch hydraulic root grapple, those are big steel prongs....he did glow in the dark with the NV gear though...
martian hog, looks like ya allianated it..

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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:26:17 PM
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I think he had some Martian genes in him or else he was rooting up some plutonium as his nutz were some of the largest oysters I've seen through my night vision gear.....

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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:52:12 PM
Ok I see the grapple now Needed to put on my glasses. But you showed proof positive with that shot from the nether regions, he was rootin up the plutonium...

Must have been some tasty oysters eh...
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Posted: 5/13/2012 10:30:24 PM
I had to saw one in half to even get it in the skillet....
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Posted: 5/23/2012 5:53:02 PM
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I had to saw one in half to even get it in the skillet....


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Posted: 5/29/2012 1:31:25 AM
With a 5.56 I just shoot them in the ear or eye ball and they always drop on the spot, not a twitch.

With the 7.62 you can get away with shoulder shots but I still prefer capping them in the face.

When deer hunting if I'm going to shoot a doe I shoot them in the head, save all the meat. That is if they are close enough. My furthest headshot was with my savage .308 and I shot a doe at 414-412m. Hit her about a 1/4" under the eyeball and she dropped like a pile of bricks. That was on a calm day with very light wind from a bipod and rear bag or else I would not have tried the shot and would have gone for a shoulder shot. The .308 is deadly with shoulder shots on deer out to 700-800m with a 168 grain hornady vmax, my furthest shoulder shot was 762m from a bench in very light winds. I hit her a little far back, about 3" behind the shoulder but she still dropped and never knew what hit her. With a .223 I wouldn't try much further then 200-300. My buddy told me he dropped a cull buck at 450m with his .223 but im not to sure about all that.
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