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Posted: 1/20/2012 9:58:05 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT is it worth it to try to bait them with corn? if so whats the best way to go about it? dig a hole and fill it with corn? bait them in the morning if i plan to hunt in the evening? just wait by the water and forget baiting them? any recommendations on ammo? i have a 1:9 barrel so i'm not sure what the heaviest grain bullet i can shoot safely is. i've always just used cheapo 55g for targets. do i need to hang the hog up by its feet to bleed it out or can i do that on the ground? if i'm going to pay a slaughter house to process it, do i just bleed it and take it to them or do i need to gut it too? if i kill one at 5pm and the slaughter house doesnt open till 8am the next morning, how do i keep the meat good for that long? sorry, i know a lot of this probably seems like common knowledge to u guys but i havent hunted since i was about 12 and that was always just tagging along with my dad. |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 11:57:01 AM
[Last Edit: 1/20/2012 11:58:40 AM by FlinginLead]
All that i have taken have been at my corn feeder. but if you have a reliable place they are going that may be your best option. You said water that is usaully a good spot for any game.
I usually bleed them while i am gutting skinning. How the slaughter house takes it will depend on them. some will take them live. some require them to be gutted and skinned. If you must keep it overnight i would gut and skin it the put in an ice chest with ice. ETA: Congrats on the new baby. Welcome to the sport. |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 2:39:39 PM
Originally Posted By FlinginLead:
All that i have taken have been at my corn feeder. but if you have a reliable place they are going that may be your best option. You said water that is usaully a good spot for any game. I usually bleed them while i am gutting skinning. How the slaughter house takes it will depend on them. some will take them live. some require them to be gutted and skinned. If you must keep it overnight i would gut and skin it the put in an ice chest with ice. ETA: Congrats on the new baby. Welcome to the sport. thanks for the congrats man! i have a place that i know they frequent on the washita river bottom near me. i was out there yesterday and found rubs, wollows, trails, plowed up ground, fresh tracks, the whole bit. i didnt see any actual hogs but i wasnt trying to be quiet or anything either, just kinda scouting the area. after doing some reading i'm not sure if u can bait them on public land anyway so that might not be an option. i'll have to try to get ahold of a game warden or something to find out for sure unless one of u guys know. i'll find out from my local slaughter house how i need to prep one before bringing it in. thanks for the insight! |
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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:25:01 PM
[Last Edit: 1/20/2012 3:49:00 PM by AR-15kid]
do most of my hunting on WMA during the bow season sit in tree stand better view of what tis moving, can always relocate, archery tis short distance.. during gun season hit the thick nasty places, downed trees, got videos of em sleepen an them coming to down tree an laying down... tis rather warm here, i been back packing hog's out for year's, an warmerthe weather, faster i try ta get ice on them... talk ta the butcher for prepairing it, an tis sure game warden will help ya out best he can.. WMA were i hunt they've been known ta help people get their keys out of locked pick-up.. name not mentioned to protect the idiot, i sure twas thankfull though, lol... have used 55grfmj got some 55grhp's shots are at most 30yrds, friend & i hit WMA last year whin light snow, came apone some beds, told him twould be nice if there was one in one, bout that time he said their's one, thought he was kidding, half-stepped to me right an hog got up, it ran to our right, witch gave me the shot, hit it with the 55grfmj slowed it down, it traveled close to 100yrds maybe little more, we slowly worked twards it, one on each side, second shot put it down for good... their was no blood trail from were it was first hit to were it droped, disadvantage of .223... they will put em down with one shot to heart an lung, spooked one out of its bed at about 15 ta 20 yrds, ran inta thick stuff, heard crash, only went about 30yrds... have hit em with 30-30 an spent hours on blood trail, never ta find em... anyways have a good one, an congrates....
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oldschool63
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Posted: 1/20/2012 3:54:05 PM
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Posted: 1/20/2012 4:06:02 PM
Originally Posted By oldschool63:
Make a pig pipe it is cheap and easy. Here is a thread with some ideas on pig pipes. very cool! like i said i'm not sure if i can bait them on public land but i plan to find out. my brother in law just bought 200 acres on the south side of lake texoma we plan to hunt at some point and this would be a great idea to use there! |
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Ponyboy
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Posted: 1/21/2012 10:22:48 AM
I'm in Sherman and we hunt around Lake Texoma often. Get in touch with me and we can meet up sometime and I can answer most of your questions and show you some stuff.
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Posted: 1/21/2012 12:47:15 PM
Here is a start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT9itEYJNmI
Likely no baiting allowed. No biggie; the areas you have found are good. Keep your scent out of it if you can. Figure out the prevailing path; which direction do the majority of the toes point?? Check wind over several days int he area, learn how it works. Then, set up so you can cover the path with the wind not blowing the scent into the direction of the path. |
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Posted: 1/21/2012 3:46:46 PM
ponyboy u have an IM from me.
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
Here is a start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT9itEYJNmI Likely no baiting allowed. No biggie; the areas you have found are good. Keep your scent out of it if you can. Figure out the prevailing path; which direction do the majority of the toes point?? Check wind over several days int he area, learn how it works. Then, set up so you can cover the path with the wind not blowing the scent into the direction of the path. thanks for that! all the field dressing videos i'd found prior to this were from like 15ft away with no explanation of what was going on. the problem with the wind thing is this, with prevailing wind here is always from the southwest unless we're having a cold front and then its straight from the north. so probably 85% of our wind in a year is from the southwest. i'm hunting on the south side of a river bank, so that makes it kind of impossible to get around to the north of them. the best i could really do is walk right along the river running east/west. thanks for the tips man. i read a big response of yours in another thread for newbies that was really helpful too. |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 3:44:03 AM
Okay, let's work on this; which direction do the hogs come into the area from?? They come in, and head back out. If there is 1 trail to a wallow, then they are entering and exiting on the SAME TRAIL every time. If so, you have it easy; stalk the trail for an area to set up in a tree where the wind will favor you more. Hogs will come from MILES away to a good food/ water plot.
If there are 2-5 trails, it's a bit more difficult. But look at it this way: They are coming in, and leaving on a route.Coming from bedding at dusk, and leaving headed toward food. So, follow the trails and see where they lead. (Get ready, have a short gun with you. I prefer the 30-30 for this stuff with iron sights. A red dot holo optic will be a good choice. Don't try to depend on a scope for this.......)You follow a trail, you will find they make a spiders' web somewhere. Them hogs are bedding close by, or there are multiple good feed spots or small water holes. They WILL cross these spiderwebs in many directions, trying to figure out where they want to go- "Dinner, or a drink?? Oats, or acorns, or corn?? Soy, or a mud wallow... What should I do??" A junction like this is also a place where small bedded groups will gather up to form a sounder. Good shooting opportunity. Again; let's figure out what they are doing where you are seeing the sign. Digging for worms and roots? Wallowing in mud holes? Bedding down to sleep and beat the heat? Eating a mast crop like acorns or other nuts? Blackberries??????? (They LOVE blackberry patches at times.) And, can you judge whether they are coming in, or heading out and on what trail? It's time to set up a trail cam or 2. Good luck!  |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 3:23:29 PM
[Last Edit: 1/22/2012 3:26:27 PM by bubba289]
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
Okay, let's work on this; which direction do the hogs come into the area from?? They come in, and head back out. If there is 1 trail to a wallow, then they are entering and exiting on the SAME TRAIL every time. If so, you have it easy; stalk the trail for an area to set up in a tree where the wind will favor you more. Hogs will come from MILES away to a good food/ water plot. If there are 2-5 trails, it's a bit more difficult. But look at it this way: They are coming in, and leaving on a route.Coming from bedding at dusk, and leaving headed toward food. So, follow the trails and see where they lead. (Get ready, have a short gun with you. I prefer the 30-30 for this stuff with iron sights. A red dot holo optic will be a good choice. Don't try to depend on a scope for this.......)You follow a trail, you will find they make a spiders' web somewhere. Them hogs are bedding close by, or there are multiple good feed spots or small water holes. They WILL cross these spiderwebs in many directions, trying to figure out where they want to go- "Dinner, or a drink?? Oats, or acorns, or corn?? Soy, or a mud wallow... What should I do??" A junction like this is also a place where small bedded groups will gather up to form a sounder. Good shooting opportunity. Again; let's figure out what they are doing where you are seeing the sign. Digging for worms and roots? Wallowing in mud holes? Bedding down to sleep and beat the heat? Eating a mast crop like acorns or other nuts? Blackberries??????? (They LOVE blackberry patches at times.) And, can you judge whether they are coming in, or heading out and on what trail? It's time to set up a trail cam or 2. Good luck! well i went out for about 3hrs yesterday evening and another 6hrs this morning to scout around more. i found out i can get around on the north side of the river too. i found a ton more sign and trails, but most of the trails would only have fresh tracks (since the last rain) of 1 or 2 hogs at a time. i never found anything where it looked like 10 hogs had been coming and going. i kept following trails that would eventually just dissipate into nothing. i had my AR with me and a glock on my hip while doing this. hopefully if one were to charge out of nowhere i'd be able to pick em off with the pistol before they got to me. its pretty quiet out there other than the wind so i think i'd hear em before i got that close unless they were bedded down. this is some of the stuff i found this morning i put my gun there for height reference. so the biggest pig there is 3ft tall? 
again, the boot is for size reference. its a size 12 so thats some pretty big scat i think. 
found this pig skull near the rub and the scat. 
and this is the most promising thing i think i found all day. 4 of these big plowed up spots in an old 4wd trail. the good thing here is i can actually get off a shot from a good distance away. there's a hill about 100-120yrds away i can shoot from. i'm not sure what they're digging for. its in a low lying area with mainly hardwood trees. dunno why it keeps rotating like that. i fixed it twice already 
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Posted: 1/22/2012 6:46:03 PM
Those are all oak leaves, which means they are feeding on acorns, if you want to really save money butcher the hog your self! gut it skin it, cut the meat off the bones, you cant screw it up, you might not have butcher shop cuts but it will all eat good, you will learn by doing. gut, skin and wash the night you shoot it, let it cool over night, bone it out in the morning, pack in freezer bags, done deal! Good luck
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Ponyboy
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Posted: 1/22/2012 6:47:31 PM
The mud on the pole won't show you how tall they are, they'll stretch their heads up and rub the sides of their heads on the poles too. So the top most mud will be the highest point they can reach with their head.
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Posted: 1/22/2012 8:20:12 PM
Originally Posted By tommygun59:
Those are all oak leaves, which means they are feeding on acorns, if you want to really save money butcher the hog your self! gut it skin it, cut the meat off the bones, you cant screw it up, you might not have butcher shop cuts but it will all eat good, you will learn by doing. gut, skin and wash the night you shoot it, let it cool over night, bone it out in the morning, pack in freezer bags, done deal! Good luck my dad always does his own deer & hogs and he has a grinder and everything. if i get one he might be willing to come give me a hand on it. |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 8:21:47 PM
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
The mud on the pole won't show you how tall they are, they'll stretch their heads up and rub the sides of their heads on the poles too. So the top most mud will be the highest point they can reach with their head. ahhh gotcha. dammit i was hoping i had just happened onto a monster lol! |
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Posted: 1/22/2012 9:07:41 PM
Originally Posted By bubba289:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
The mud on the pole won't show you how tall they are, they'll stretch their heads up and rub the sides of their heads on the poles too. So the top most mud will be the highest point they can reach with their head. ahhh gotcha. dammit i was hoping i had just happened onto a monster lol! I agree with Tommygun and Ponyboy on both. Acorns, worms and beetles/ grubs in the acorns is what they are rooting for. That rub is prettttyyyyy big, as was the size 12 turd. You have a full size animal or 3 in that area. Maybe more full-size than you know......  
If you can cut the distance to 50-70 yards it will be better with all that cover, so that as you stated, you might hear them even before you can see them. The closer you are, the easier they wind you is the problem. But I have had hogs walk right up to me while pissing, so it's not the end of the world to have them smell you sometimes. It really depends on hunting pressure. Sounds like you have your basics getting covered, now if it's warm enough that you won't freeze, hang out overnight (Even if you can not night hunt.) Or, set out cameras and see the pattern they are running. It's usually pretty consistent, within 20 minutes. See how they act in that area if you can, to see if they are scred and on the run, or if they cruise in and settle down for a long feed session. |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:12:36 AM
the proff tis in the pudding... looks like ya found some hog sign... now it's just pudding one foot in front of the other.. might not be a bad idea ta hang a tree stand, or sit on high bank, leave tis off trees an can see lot farther...
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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:53:18 AM
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
The mud on the pole won't show you how tall they are, they'll stretch their heads up and rub the sides of their heads on the poles too. So the top most mud will be the highest point they can reach with their head. hey michael i've tried to reply to your IM twice but they're not going through for some reason 
or if they are going through they're not showing up in my sent mail folder. |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:26:17 AM
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
Originally Posted By bubba289:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
The mud on the pole won't show you how tall they are, they'll stretch their heads up and rub the sides of their heads on the poles too. So the top most mud will be the highest point they can reach with their head. ahhh gotcha. dammit i was hoping i had just happened onto a monster lol! I agree with Tommygun and Ponyboy on both. Acorns, worms and beetles/ grubs in the acorns is what they are rooting for. That rub is prettttyyyyy big, as was the size 12 turd. You have a full size animal or 3 in that area. Maybe more full-size than you know......
If you can cut the distance to 50-70 yards it will be better with all that cover, so that as you stated, you might hear them even before you can see them. The closer you are, the easier they wind you is the problem. But I have had hogs walk right up to me while pissing, so it's not the end of the world to have them smell you sometimes. It really depends on hunting pressure. Sounds like you have your basics getting covered, now if it's warm enough that you won't freeze, hang out overnight (Even if you can not night hunt.) Or, set out cameras and see the pattern they are running. It's usually pretty consistent, within 20 minutes. See how they act in that area if you can, to see if they are scred and on the run, or if they cruise in and settle down for a long feed session. i'm trying to figure out if there's a way i can chain a camera to a tree. this is public land so the likelihood of me having my camera stolen is pretty high unless i can chain it or put it up really high in a tree. i would need to get a tree stand up to wait all night out there. no way i'm waiting on the ground next to a hog trail all night 
the area where i said i would take a 100-120yrd shot is completely open. its in the middle of a 4wd traiil so i would have a clear shot. other than that one spot though, you're right, i'm looking at a 50yrd or less shot in all of the other areas because of the brush. so if/when i hunt in those thicker areas i'm temped to just use a 12g with buckshot. |
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Posted: 1/23/2012 1:44:57 PM
chatted with a person who sit's up on sign like in the 4th pic with shotgun, an he get's hog's all the time... just gotta be in right place right time.. tis how i got 4 last year... seen were park the truck, hit the woods an with-in half hour, 3 hog's down... getten the itch ta head ta the woods now, but got other things gotta do... looks like ya putten the hours in, i got about 10x that many hours put in this year, not seen a hog eather...
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Posted: 1/23/2012 2:07:11 PM
Originally Posted By AR-15kid:
chatted with a person who sit's up on sign like in the 4th pic with shotgun, an he get's hog's all the time... just gotta be in right place right time.. tis how i got 4 last year... seen were park the truck, hit the woods an with-in half hour, 3 hog's down... getten the itch ta head ta the woods now, but got other things gotta do... looks like ya putten the hours in, i got about 10x that many hours put in this year, not seen a hog eather... i'm putting the hours in, but i'd rather work smart than hard. if i could hunt at night putting in the time wouldnt be an issue, but as it stands now i work 55-60hrs a week and there's only so much time in a day. i might try getting out there before sun down tonight and setting up on those plowed up spots. |
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Posted: 1/24/2012 12:27:54 AM
Is the area frequented by hikers or other hunters? I'd look for an area to hide the camera pretty low. I have made a few camera boxes welded out of steel that you use lag bolts to bolt 'em to the tree. No hiker carries a socket set and a 5/8" drive socket on them, so the camera pretty much stays put!
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Posted: 1/24/2012 8:15:46 AM
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
Is the area frequented by hikers or other hunters? I'd look for an area to hide the camera pretty low. I have made a few camera boxes welded out of steel that you use lag bolts to bolt 'em to the tree. No hiker carries a socket set and a 5/8" drive socket on them, so the camera pretty much stays put! yeah ponyboy was telling me about the metal boxes. that seems like a good solid plan! yes the area is frequented by hunters and people out 4 wheel driving for fun. if i put if quite a ways off a trail i think it'd be fine though. especially if i put it in a metal box and screwed it to the tree! |
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Eric802
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Posted: 1/24/2012 4:43:37 PM
Originally Posted By bubba289:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
The mud on the pole won't show you how tall they are, they'll stretch their heads up and rub the sides of their heads on the poles too. So the top most mud will be the highest point they can reach with their head. hey michael i've tried to reply to your IM twice but they're not going through for some reason
or if they are going through they're not showing up in my sent mail folder. I don't think they show up in your sent folder unless you've checked the box for "save sent copy" or something similar. |
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Posted: 1/25/2012 11:13:58 AM
Originally Posted By bubba289:
Originally Posted By Rojodiablo:
Is the area frequented by hikers or other hunters? I'd look for an area to hide the camera pretty low. I have made a few camera boxes welded out of steel that you use lag bolts to bolt 'em to the tree. No hiker carries a socket set and a 5/8" drive socket on them, so the camera pretty much stays put! yeah ponyboy was telling me about the metal boxes. that seems like a good solid plan! yes the area is frequented by hunters and people out 4 wheel driving for fun. if i put if quite a ways off a trail i think it'd be fine though. especially if i put it in a metal box and screwed it to the tree! could it b that the sign your seeing tis done at night? area frequented by hunters? people out 4 wheel driving for fun? maybe their doing it at night? you'll figue it out.. went yester day ta WMA again 0 hog's, finding em used ta be the eeeeasy part, lol... once again congrates on that thar baby.. |
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Posted: 1/25/2012 12:40:14 PM
Originally Posted By Eric802:
I don't think they show up in your sent folder unless you've checked the box for "save sent copy" or something similar. makes sense. thanks. |
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