I am going to buy a nice shotgun for my retirement gift to myself.  
Looking at a 20 gauge SxS.  
Maybe a Spanish sidelock or an Italian boxlock (unless I find a screaming deal on a used British Best)
I have never shot with a straight stocked gun, but they do feel nice.

anybody here use them?

My skeet gun is a pistol grip as are the rest of my guns.  But it seems like the real test is which one you can carry comfortably for a long time at high ready.

I have several upland bird guns with english stocks. I like them. Im used to carrying and shooting them. I reall like the look.Dont know what else to tell you.

So let me get this straight.....

"I am going to buy a nice shotgun for my retirement gift to myself.
Looking at a 20 gauge SxS."


And you want to put a pistol grip on it

Point taken. I have always shot with a prince of wales or pistol griped shotgun. Its what i am used to  class a skeet. Just not sure how hard to transition

The difference between a Prince of Wales and a straight English is minimal. They make 100k custom H&H's with a semi pistol grip like a PoW...

The straight stock is designed for the guns with two triggers, to enable you to slide your hand back to pull the second(rear) trigger.

Not really.  the straight stock well pre-dates double triggers (it was much easier to make back in the day.)

I love the look and feel of the straight stock, but somehow I always shoot better with a prince of wales grip. this is likely because i prefer single triggers, as mentioned previously, straight stock is almost a necessity with a double trigger gun.

I love Italian guns.
But the Perazzi is the only company that makes a sXs worth the money.  For Diana money, I would buy a Grulla or AyA

Just tagging to see what you end up with.

Txl

Bought this from Buds.
600 dollars.  
20 gauge.

They can have some issues, but CZ seems to always make it right, so I am rolling the dice.  If I don't like the straight stock, I can always sell for a minor loss of money and get a prince of wales or pistol grip.  Never used a double trigger or straight grip before.

Took the gun out.

Hit about 20/25 in a round of skeet.  A little slower with the double trigger hitting pairs.  To be expected.  Heavier than expected at exactly 6 pounds 8 ounces.  compared to a semi-20 gauge with synthetic stock at 6 pounds 2 ounces.

Triggers are heavy, but not noticeably when shooting clays.  Shotgun triggers don't need to be great.  As with other bobwhites, triggers hit deep.  Almost puncturing the soft walmart winchester cheapo primers (other rounds did better).

Balance is 3/8" forward of the hinge.  So pretty good.  26" barrels would probably be a better fit for upland game.
Comes with 5 chokes and a cheap, but useful, case.  

Patterned 60% above POA as desired in an upland game gun.  both barrels regulated properly.

Case hardening is OK, laser engraved.  Wood actually quite nice for the gun (it is turkish, after all.)  Barrels look nice but literally the finish comes off on a white cloth.  Not sure how well it will hold up (not that I care).

Rough machining when you do a basic disassembly.  Its NIB but a few years old.  No rust or corrosion, but just old dirt down in the hinge mechanism.  Put a little AGL go juice in there.

Stiff action.  With some lube and working with it, its still stiff, but smooth.

Cheap recoil pad.  I will probably replace it. It recoils fairly stiff.  I can imagine with 3" rounds (which its chambered for) it will hurt.  

I like it and glad I bought it.  It will be my primary upland gun for now.  If I get a lot of confidence in my shooting I will probably try the 28 gauge and probably another bobwhite (unless I am rich)

I just found this thread.

I have a BPS bird gun with a english stock and love it.

Here's my Browning Superlight 12 gauge
I don't shoot it any better or worse than anything else.

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I have a Bobwhite, and  wear a 16 1/2 x 36 shirt
I've found that one of these, from Galco, let's me stretch a hand out along the barrels.

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I had this gun in the 12, and CZ replaced t with a 28 when it started to slam fire after about 1500-2000 rounds. Make sure you always keep it pointed in a safe direction when you are closing the action!

That may be the reason the two-trigger/straight grip Bobwhite was discontinued by CZ. I still think you have an excellent shotgun; the 12 gauge Bobwhite was too big for an upland gun but too light for serious waterfowl or long target sessions. The gun shines in the sub gauges though. I love shooting my 28 and carry it without hesitation.

I was very interested in the 28, but it was just a little too much money for me for the ammo.  I can use this 20 for damn near anything with 3 inch shells.

Semi-pistol grip, as seen on a Mini-14 or 870, not a freestanding AR-style grip

I assumed people would understand without having to state "Prince of Wales" but here we are.

I have the same in a 20 gauge.

I like the CZ 20g I have. No complaints.

Since it's nearly bird season by me (and I just happen to find this thread), here's my take.
I might be wrong but I believe the straight (English) stocked shotguns were originally configured for the English "driven" hunts where the shooters are posted at stationary points and the beaters (the go be poor somewhere else hammerheads) act like human Springer Spaniels (I have one) and kick up the birds (usually stocked) for the shooters. Being the posted shooters stand there with their guns pointed straight up, I believe the straight stock was more ergonomic/comfortable for that type of shooting. I myself use a 1935-39 (unsure what exact year) Fox Sterlingworth with the pistol grip to miss Ruffed Grouse with as I find it more comfortable. I do like the looks of the English stocks but the arthritis in my wrists say otherwise. So, there's my take on it. It might be all bullshit, who knows..

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As to the op how's the gun doing now?

shooting fine.

like most CZ Huglu's punches primers deep.  I don't reload so not an issue.
Put on an aftermarket recoil pad and sling swivels.  Shoots fine.  low 20s on the skeet range.  Shot a few quail in training.

Heavier than I wanted but its fine for what I need.

I may be weird here, but I find English stocked guns to be much more comfortable to carry for extended periods.  English game guns also tend to be wickedly light, almost to the point that a 12 weighs almost less than my boxlock 20.  English stock and double triggers all the way.

I've used both.  My personal preference is non-English, seems to give me a bit better control on close-flushing birds.  But I wouldn't turn down a straight-stocked scattergun, either.

The more "traditional" upland high-falutin' shotgun will have a straight stock.