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Posted: 2/16/2016 4:24:15 PM EDT
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Calculate energy. Muzzle energy less than 900 is no go in most states.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 4:34:14 PM EDT
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Unless you get a head shot I think that round would be inhumane to use on deer. I guy I know did kill a pig with one, but it took him about 15 shots to finish it off.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 4:41:42 PM EDT
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You must be a Eastern deer hunter, Stand hunting for a under 50 yard shot? But even with a 8 inch bbl 38spl even in +P (which might be too hot for your tube if 357 mag is) is borderline at best. A dead soft 158gn flatnose would likely be your best choice at those low velocities. If you can get away with +P then Speer 130 gn gold dot would be my choice.
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Posted: 2/16/2016 4:45:36 PM EDT
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I hope OP is a good tracker.
After all, who DOESN'T like tracking wounded deer with no blood trail through briar thickets in the rain or poor light. Make mine a 30-06. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:00:41 AM EDT
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I hope OP is a good tracker. After all, who DOESN'T like tracking wounded deer with no blood trail through briar thickets in the rain or poor light. Make mine a 30-06. mine too. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 1:17:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope OP is a good tracker. After all, who DOESN'T like tracking wounded deer with no blood trail through briar thickets in the rain or poor light. Make mine a 6.5x55 Swede 30-06. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:38:16 PM EDT
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I hope OP is a good tracker. After all, who DOESN'T like tracking wounded deer with no blood trail through briar thickets in the rain or poor light. Make mine a 6.5x55 Swede 30-06. I have pretty much the same opinion. Deer aren't Terminator cyborgs, and I'm sure with excellent shot placement a .38 spl could do the job. But unless your shot is perfect, I doubt you'll get much if any blood trail. I use a 6.5x55 Swede myself. If I was going to use a pistol, I think a hot .357 would be my absolute minimum, and personally I'd probably step up to a .41 or .44 magnum. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:50:07 PM EDT
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Out of what gun?
I wouldn't, and I hunt regularly with an 8" suppressed 300blk. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:59:14 PM EDT
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Way less power than is required for a clean kill and possibly illegal in your state.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 3:43:51 PM EDT
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44mag 45super work well
357mag 158gr SWC max load H-110 magnum powder did not impress me went back to 44 240gr JHP max load H-110 powder I would not try 38 special |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 3:49:57 PM EDT
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bad idea.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 3:50:25 PM EDT
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I have killed 3 deer with a handgun.
1 357 Mag 158 Gr Gold Dot Spine Shot. Dropped in its tracks. 2 9mm Glock 115 Gr Fiocchi JHP. Both double lung shots, both gave no reaction to being hit. Ran approximately 150 yards with a good blood trail. Both acted like a double lung archery shot. Bottom line, handguns kill more like broad heads through tissue destruction and blood loss than rifles through kinetic energy and shock. It wouldn't bother me to use a .38 Special as long as a good 158 Gr Lead SWC Hollow Point or maybe even a full wadcutter was used. Should leave a good blood trail to find your deer. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 4:23:46 PM EDT
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I would stay away from trying that.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 5:02:29 PM EDT
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I think it would kill them just fine. That's not the real problem. What I foresee is you make a good shot, the bullet does not exit, the deer runs off and with no blood trail, you lose the deer.
Exits are not that important if you are using a rifle that's way more powerful than needed (30-06). But if your shot with that 38 spl is not perfect that deer can go far enough to be really hard to find. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 5:14:23 PM EDT
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Hell no.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 7:15:10 PM EDT
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Illegal here - and I'm OK with that
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Posted: 2/17/2016 11:22:39 PM EDT
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MI does not have a power requirement, only caliber requirements (38spl is legal)
I do hunt from ground blinds (and the occasional treestand) in my woods the max visibility is around 80 feet. Anything more and the trees block your view. I totally understand that this is unique to my area and that out west the views are much longer. |
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Posted: 2/20/2016 8:44:07 AM EDT
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man, I think you're going at this all wrong....
You're looking at using a decidedly inferior cartridge so you can use your suppressor? Bad idea. What does the suppressor get you when you are hunting deer? Nothing. Sometimes we'll use bows or muzzleloaders to take advantage of an extended season. Or use handguns or shotguns in "no rifle zones". Or even use primitives or handguns just for the increased challenge. But to end up using something like 38 special just so you can use your can? Ummm, no. The 357 is an adequate deer cartridge. In a carbine its actually quite decent with the RIGHT bullets and under 125 yards. In a handgun its "okay". Not great. Not very good. Not even good. But its okay. The 38? No. It isn't. I'd dare say it verges on unethical. I'm sure the 38 can kill deer. But it swill be neither quick nor sure. You either need a new can, or simply hunt without the can. The can isn't doing ANYTHING for you when hunting deer. |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 9:26:26 PM EDT
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I wouldn't do it, .38 is a pretty marginal caliber unless loaded hot and paired with a long barrel. .357 would be my personal minimum.
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Posted: 3/25/2016 2:01:46 PM EDT
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Handload some 200 gr lead semi wad cutters, should be able to get 900 to 1000 fps out of a contender barrel. That big long heavy lead bullet will punch clear through a deer on a broadside shot.
The key is if your barrel will stabilize them. |
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Posted: 3/25/2016 5:55:39 PM EDT
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Sorry for the hijack. Like it is said shot placement is key to everything. This past season I did a not so nice shot. Hit high nicked top of backbone with 150gr. 308 about 90yds. Deer went down, sat in stand waiting for it to get up to take another shot. Deer was down in a dip in the field, could not see deer. Got out of stand heading to where deer was, left rifle in stand but had sig p220-45 with 230gr hps on hip. Back leg started to kick. Try to run to where deer was, no luck. Got to within about 150ft from deer when it jumped up and started to run. Drew 45, first shot hit base of right antler, blue right antler off. Took better aim second shot hit the mark, back of head. That ended the chase. Retrived slug from skull, put knocked off antler back on skull. Have skull and 230gr 45 slug sitting on shelf. Shot placement is what counts, period.
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Posted: 3/25/2016 6:20:41 PM EDT
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There are so many better options. I've seen deer here in MI run 200 yards with no heart, which in many places puts them onto some other persons land. You don't need a .338 WM, but you can suppress some pretty decent handgun rounds.
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Posted: 4/5/2016 9:07:51 PM EDT
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These loads will work if you are close and very careful with shot placement. I would think the TC should handle these loads easily. Back before the 357 was introduced this load probably killed all manner of animals.
http://americanhandgunner.com/the-3844-heavy-duty/ |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 11:02:59 PM EDT
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I'd be curious to see the terminal effects of both 357 and 38 special on a deer. I know 357 has a lot more energy, but I bet for practical purposes the bullets preform the same.
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Posted: 9/2/2016 12:01:45 AM EDT
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I have pretty much the same opinion. Deer aren't Terminator cyborgs, and I'm sure with excellent shot placement a .38 spl could do the job. But unless your shot is perfect, I doubt you'll get much if any blood trail. I use a 6.5x55 Swede myself. If I was going to use a pistol, I think a hot .357 would be my absolute minimum, and personally I'd probably step up to a .41 or .44 magnum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope OP is a good tracker. After all, who DOESN'T like tracking wounded deer with no blood trail through briar thickets in the rain or poor light. Make mine a 6.5x55 Swede 30-06. I have pretty much the same opinion. Deer aren't Terminator cyborgs, and I'm sure with excellent shot placement a .38 spl could do the job. But unless your shot is perfect, I doubt you'll get much if any blood trail. I use a 6.5x55 Swede myself. If I was going to use a pistol, I think a hot .357 would be my absolute minimum, and personally I'd probably step up to a .41 or .44 magnum. 6.5x55 Swede for deer? Shooting three in a row with one shot? Lol love that round but man does it have some penetration for a lightweight! |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 8:11:31 AM EDT
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These loads will work if you are close and very careful with shot placement. I would think the TC should handle these loads easily. Back before the 357 was introduced this load probably killed all manner of animals. http://americanhandgunner.com/the-3844-heavy-duty/ I was thinking the same thing. The contender is rated up to 55k PSI. A heavy 180grn wide flat nosed cast bullet loaded around 1000-1200fps will do the job under 50yds. People have done more with less. |
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Posted: 9/6/2016 7:31:54 PM EDT
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Well I went another way, scored a 20gauge 870 with a rifled barrel. $199 and I have a $50 rebate, can't beat that. Gonna mount a 2-7 crossfire on it.
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Posted: 9/6/2016 10:43:39 PM EDT
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You may kill the deer, but it's unlikely you'll ever find the deer.
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Posted: 9/7/2016 8:20:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I went another way, scored a 20gauge 870 with a rifled barrel. $199 and I have a $50 rebate, can't beat that. Gonna mount a 2-7 crossfire on it. |
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Posted: 9/11/2016 7:58:08 AM EDT
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I had a crossfire on a 500Mag carbine - it did not hold up (OK, the 500 has a bit of a rep for being hard on scopes). I used 4 rings too. When I sent it back they said I had screwed it up when I mounted it (which is BS) I put a Leupold back on it and it has run fine. I have no problem with the better scopes from Vortex but I will never buy a Crossfire again and after that nice letter I personally will not buy one period. Most of my hunting rifles & shotguns run VX3 and a Few VX2's but I like to play with some others from time to time mostly to make recommendations to others and just to play. I would suggest a Weaver Classic instead for a budget scope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I went another way, scored a 20gauge 870 with a rifled barrel. $199 and I have a $50 rebate, can't beat that. Gonna mount a 2-7 crossfire on it. Good to know. I was even thinking about some of the scopes that are specifically designed for shotgun slugs guns. I think nikon and bushnell both make one. |
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