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Thanks for the post. I was interested in using my blackout on whitetail this year; it's always good to see examples of its performance on game. Thank you for sharing and congrats.
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Thanks for the post. I was interested in using my blackout on whitetail this year; it's always good to see examples of its performance on game. Thank you for sharing and congrats. View Quote I almost swapped to my 125 sst supers before going out but figured it'd be a fun test. I'd be confident under 200 with those subs. I want to load up a bunch and check the hashes as far as the Leupold goes. |
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Pretty cool. I built a 300 BLK upper with a 10.5" for this very purpose, but I planned on using 125gr for better range and flatter trajectory, etc.
Good to know that the subs will get the job done with a well-placed shot. Well done. |
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Yeah I thought the subs would only be for fun but I guess I can now plan depending on range. Classic ARFCOM "Get Both" |
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Nice kill. What round were you using? Spill the beans. Load data!!!
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220 bthp Sierra match kings. Just some chopped up reloads. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nice kill. What round were you using? Spill the beans. Load data!!! 220 bthp Sierra match kings. Just some chopped up reloads. Sierra SATs these arnt designed for hunting. Do you think they expanded in above deer? |
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Good job, impressive performance for the subs! I'm still staying with the 125 Nosler BT's in supersonic config this season, but good to know subs work too.
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Nice kill. What round were you using? Spill the beans. Load data!!! 220 bthp Sierra match kings. Just some chopped up reloads. Sierra SATs these arnt designed for hunting. Do you think they expanded in above deer? I definitely had it loaded sub so I doubt it did. The exit hole looks like it may have been starting to tumble. It's wrecked that outside shoulder. |
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I definitely had it loaded sub so I doubt it did. The exit hole looks like it may have been starting to tumble. It's wrecked that outside shoulder. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nice kill. What round were you using? Spill the beans. Load data!!! 220 bthp Sierra match kings. Just some chopped up reloads. Sierra SATs these arnt designed for hunting. Do you think they expanded in above deer? I definitely had it loaded sub so I doubt it did. The exit hole looks like it may have been starting to tumble. It's wrecked that outside shoulder. How far did the deer run after the shot? |
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but, but I have been told multiple times that subsonic hunting won't work.
Good job. While I don't recommend the Sierra match kings for subsonic hunting there have been some good success using it. My personal preference in this order for subsonic hunting Heavy grain Cast hollow point( I use the 247gr NOE, but a modified Lee 230 would work also) (mainly because I am cheap) Fat MCnasty has some jacketed hollow points he has developed that expand at sub velocity. Not for sale yet but they will be soon hopefully Outlaw state has a few selections that have worked well as reported by others Lehigh defense 174 gr Lehigh defense 194 gr (the 194 may have under penetration issues at least reported by a few that have used it) (the only reason I put these down the list is because they are expensive. heavy gr subsonic Cast non hollow point(again I am cheap) heavy gr jacketed non expanding, ie 220 Sierra match king, 208gr Amax, The tumbling effect has to many variables in my experience to use it exclusively any more. But again it has and does work. Good Job again. |
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Nice kill! I use 208 hornady a maxes. They leave an exit hole about the size of a nickel at sub sonic velocity. Trail boss for powder. 10" barrel
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The following is my personal experience with 300blk subs on deer.
I shot an 8 point at 35 yards and it ran about 45 yards and laid down and died. There was no blood and the internal wound cavity looked nothing like what is shown above. At this point I thought the subsonic load was sufficient. Then I shot a doe at about 50 yards. Heard the bullet impact. No blood and the doe was never seen again. After that I had seen all I need to see. Sure 300blk in subsonic loads will kill deer. But its likely not to be efficient. If you respect the animals please consider using super sonic ammo in 300blk or a more powerful round.
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Nice kill. What round were you using? Spill the beans. Load data!!! 220 bthp Sierra match kings. Just some chopped up reloads. Sierra SATs these arnt designed for hunting. Do you think they expanded in above deer? I definitely had it loaded sub so I doubt it did. The exit hole looks like it may have been starting to tumble. It's wrecked that outside shoulder. How far did the deer run after the shot? He went about 20 yards. I shot and he jumped forward and looked fine. Then just crashed. |
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but, but I have been told multiple times that subsonic hunting won't work. Good job. While I don't recommend the Sierra match kings for subsonic hunting there have been some good success using it. My personal preference in this order for subsonic hunting Heavy grain Cast hollow point( I use the 247gr NOE, but a modified Lee 230 would work also) (mainly because I am cheap) Fat MCnasty has some jacketed hollow points he has developed that expand at sub velocity. Not for sale yet but they will be soon hopefully Outlaw state has a few selections that have worked well as reported by others Lehigh defense 174 gr Lehigh defense 194 gr (the 194 may have under penetration issues at least reported by a few that have used it) (the only reason I put these down the list is because they are expensive. heavy gr subsonic Cast non hollow point(again I am cheap) heavy gr jacketed non expanding, ie 220 Sierra match king, 208gr Amax, The tumbling effect has to many variables in my experience to use it exclusively any more. But again it has and does work. Good Job again. View Quote Yeah I would love to get ahold of Fats new magic bullet. I was fortunate to have perfect shot placement because I think you are absolutely right about their usefulness. I normally run the amax but I suspect the results wouldn't be much different than the 220. Just because I had success with I doubt I'll keep using them for hunting just because of range issues. Where I hunt it's not uncommon to have opportunities to outshoot my comfortable range with the sub. |
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The following is my personal experience with 300blk subs on deer. I shot an 8 point at 35 yards and it ran about 45 yards and laid down and died. There was no blood and the internal wound cavity looked nothing like what is shown above. At this point I thought the subsonic load was sufficient. Then I shot a doe at about 50 yards. Heard the bullet impact. No blood and the doe was never seen again. After that I had seen all I need to see. Sure 300blk in subsonic loads will kill deer. But its likely not to be efficient. If you respect the animals please consider using super sonic ammo in 300blk or a more powerful round. View Quote This would be my fear a well. I'd hate to lose a nice animal over my desire to play with subsonic ammo. As long as you hit vitals I have no doubt that it'll do the job. However, the entrance and exit wounds in the chest cavity were pretty minimal. Hitting that opposite front shoulder definitely helped and made a big mess. There was no blood trail to follow an only a palm sized blood pool under the exit wound where it fell. Eta: I will say that 300blk is plenty of gun for using around here with shots under 300y but that's with a supersonic 125 or 110tac. |
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Nice kill! I use 208 hornady a maxes. They leave an exit hole about the size of a nickel at sub sonic velocity. Trail boss for powder. 10" barrel View Quote Thanks! The 208s are all I can usually find. I have imr 4227 in bulk and a little bit of 1680. I'll hopefully sbr my 10.5 soon and be able to see if I need to modify my load data for a round to work in both effectively. |
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The following is my personal experience with 300blk subs on deer. I shot an 8 point at 35 yards and it ran about 45 yards and laid down and died. There was no blood and the internal wound cavity looked nothing like what is shown above. At this point I thought the subsonic load was sufficient. Then I shot a doe at about 50 yards. Heard the bullet impact. No blood and the doe was never seen again. After that I had seen all I need to see. Sure 300blk in subsonic loads will kill deer. But its likely not to be efficient. If you respect the animals please consider using super sonic ammo in 300blk or a more powerful round. View Quote It being subsonic is not the issue, it is bullet design. If you were to use a properly designed bullet it is more then enough gun. |
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The following is my personal experience with 300blk subs on deer. I shot an 8 point at 35 yards and it ran about 45 yards and laid down and died. There was no blood and the internal wound cavity looked nothing like what is shown above. At this point I thought the subsonic load was sufficient. Then I shot a doe at about 50 yards. Heard the bullet impact. No blood and the doe was never seen again. After that I had seen all I need to see. Sure 300blk in subsonic loads will kill deer. But its likely not to be efficient. If you respect the animals please consider using super sonic ammo in 300blk or a more powerful round. It being subsonic is not the issue, it is bullet design. If you were to use a properly designed bullet it is more then enough gun. Well go tell Fats to hurry up and ship me the goods. |
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The following is my personal experience with 300blk subs on deer. I shot an 8 point at 35 yards and it ran about 45 yards and laid down and died. There was no blood and the internal wound cavity looked nothing like what is shown above. At this point I thought the subsonic load was sufficient. Then I shot a doe at about 50 yards. Heard the bullet impact. No blood and the doe was never seen again. After that I had seen all I need to see. Sure 300blk in subsonic loads will kill deer. But its likely not to be efficient. If you respect the animals please consider using super sonic ammo in 300blk or a more powerful round. It being subsonic is not the issue, it is bullet design. If you were to use a properly designed bullet it is more then enough gun. Well go tell Fats to hurry up and ship me the goods. I know right Although i love my cast hollow point subs. |
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The following is my personal experience with 300blk subs on deer. I shot an 8 point at 35 yards and it ran about 45 yards and laid down and died. There was no blood and the internal wound cavity looked nothing like what is shown above. At this point I thought the subsonic load was sufficient. Then I shot a doe at about 50 yards. Heard the bullet impact. No blood and the doe was never seen again. After that I had seen all I need to see. Sure 300blk in subsonic loads will kill deer. But its likely not to be efficient. If you respect the animals please consider using super sonic ammo in 300blk or a more powerful round. It being subsonic is not the issue, it is bullet design. If you were to use a properly designed bullet it is more then enough gun. Well go tell Fats to hurry up and ship me the goods. I know right Although i love my cast hollow point subs. I do need to try some cast subs for sure. |
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Nice looking deer, have yet to see a legal deer here in OR while out hunting
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I've taken deer and pigs with my 308 with subs without a can.... haven't gotten my stamp yet, but subs still are quiet out my 20" 308 without a can... started out loading them for pigs so I could get multiples, or hunt em in areas where land owners had a pig problem but didn't want to be waken up with gun shots in the middle of the night and after they worked good on pigs I tried em on deer.... first I started out with 190gr match bullets, they did ok, which most of the damage they did was from the bullet tumbling.... but then I found out about outlawstatebullets.com.... they actually make expanding bullets for hunting in different calibers, and I got the 210gr segmented jacket flat tip hollow point that has a segmented lead core that fragments... it is awesome on deer last year myself and some friends used them and I killed a nice mature 6 point spine shot, dropped him, bullet tore a big chunk out his spine and ruptured the lungs, my dad killed a doe with my 308 and I was in the stand with him, which my dad is having health issues so I had him setup with something low recoil to shoot and he shot a doe with it, twice, first shot, was far back in the ribs, and we thought he missed because the deer didn't react, the second shot he hit her right behind the shoulder and she stood up on her hind legs, took a leap forward and dropped and didn't move... I've recovered 3 of these bullets from deer mostly because they hit spine or went thru a shoulder, and two out of those three had nice expansion, the other was a little further off and may be why it didn't expand, others were clean pass thrus and you could tell from the wound channel it expanded, also have tested them before I used them for hunting at various speeds they like to be shot around 1040fps and they will expand nicely... haven't had a deer go more than a few yards I've only had a chance to carry them pig hunting twice so far and one hunt I didn't see anything but the second hunt I killed two, one was a 60lb pig, the other was a 185lb boar, the pig dropped in his tracks, the boar I shot him in a field, shot first time thru the lungs at about 75yds, he twitched a little at the shot, and didn't know where it came from and he started coming my way, he ran to within about 30 yds of me, and stopped, I assume he was about to fall over, but I put another one in front of his shoulder like between the front of the shoulder and the rib area "just another quick shot didn't take time to make a perfect hit being I already hit him once, plus he was getting a little close for comfort" and he dropped, it was a quartering shot, it went under the shoulder, thru the vitals and stopped in the ribs on the opposite site... second bullet had expanded nicely, but the first shot not so much due to low velocity, it expanded a little but not much
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I've taken deer and pigs with my 308 with subs without a can.... haven't gotten my stamp yet, but subs still are quiet out my 20" 308 without a can... started out loading them for pigs so I could get multiples, or hunt em in areas where land owners had a pig problem but didn't want to be waken up with gun shots in the middle of the night and after they worked good on pigs I tried em on deer.... first I started out with 190gr match bullets, they did ok, which most of the damage they did was from the bullet tumbling.... but then I found out about outlawstatebullets.com.... they actually make expanding bullets for hunting in different calibers, and I got the 210gr segmented jacket flat tip hollow point that has a segmented lead core that fragments... it is awesome on deer last year myself and some friends used them and I killed a nice mature 6 point spine shot, dropped him, bullet tore a big chunk out his spine and ruptured the lungs, my dad killed a doe with my 308 and I was in the stand with him, which my dad is having health issues so I had him setup with something low recoil to shoot and he shot a doe with it, twice, first shot, was far back in the ribs, and we thought he missed because the deer didn't react, the second shot he hit her right behind the shoulder and she stood up on her hind legs, took a leap forward and dropped and didn't move... I've recovered 3 of these bullets from deer mostly because they hit spine or went thru a shoulder, and two out of those three had nice expansion, the other was a little further off and may be why it didn't expand, others were clean pass thrus and you could tell from the wound channel it expanded, also have tested them before I used them for hunting at various speeds they like to be shot around 1040fps and they will expand nicely... haven't had a deer go more than a few yards I've only had a chance to carry them pig hunting twice so far and one hunt I didn't see anything but the second hunt I killed two, one was a 60lb pig, the other was a 185lb boar, the pig dropped in his tracks, the boar I shot him in a field, shot first time thru the lungs at about 75yds, he twitched a little at the shot, and didn't know where it came from and he started coming my way, he ran to within about 30 yds of me, and stopped, I assume he was about to fall over, but I put another one in front of his shoulder like between the front of the shoulder and the rib area "just another quick shot didn't take time to make a perfect hit being I already hit him once, plus he was getting a little close for comfort" and he dropped, it was a quartering shot, it went under the shoulder, thru the vitals and stopped in the ribs on the opposite site... second bullet had expanded nicely, but the first shot not so much due to low velocity, it expanded a little but not much How far out are you for your can? Sounds like you get more fun time than I do. I need Fats to start selling me his new expanders. |
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I've taken deer and pigs with my 308 with subs without a can.... haven't gotten my stamp yet, but subs still are quiet out my 20" 308 without a can... started out loading them for pigs so I could get multiples, or hunt em in areas where land owners had a pig problem but didn't want to be waken up with gun shots in the middle of the night and after they worked good on pigs I tried em on deer.... first I started out with 190gr match bullets, they did ok, which most of the damage they did was from the bullet tumbling.... but then I found out about outlawstatebullets.com.... they actually make expanding bullets for hunting in different calibers, and I got the 210gr segmented jacket flat tip hollow point that has a segmented lead core that fragments... it is awesome on deer last year myself and some friends used them and I killed a nice mature 6 point spine shot, dropped him, bullet tore a big chunk out his spine and ruptured the lungs, my dad killed a doe with my 308 and I was in the stand with him, which my dad is having health issues so I had him setup with something low recoil to shoot and he shot a doe with it, twice, first shot, was far back in the ribs, and we thought he missed because the deer didn't react, the second shot he hit her right behind the shoulder and she stood up on her hind legs, took a leap forward and dropped and didn't move... I've recovered 3 of these bullets from deer mostly because they hit spine or went thru a shoulder, and two out of those three had nice expansion, the other was a little further off and may be why it didn't expand, others were clean pass thrus and you could tell from the wound channel it expanded, also have tested them before I used them for hunting at various speeds they like to be shot around 1040fps and they will expand nicely... haven't had a deer go more than a few yards I've only had a chance to carry them pig hunting twice so far and one hunt I didn't see anything but the second hunt I killed two, one was a 60lb pig, the other was a 185lb boar, the pig dropped in his tracks, the boar I shot him in a field, shot first time thru the lungs at about 75yds, he twitched a little at the shot, and didn't know where it came from and he started coming my way, he ran to within about 30 yds of me, and stopped, I assume he was about to fall over, but I put another one in front of his shoulder like between the front of the shoulder and the rib area "just another quick shot didn't take time to make a perfect hit being I already hit him once, plus he was getting a little close for comfort" and he dropped, it was a quartering shot, it went under the shoulder, thru the vitals and stopped in the ribs on the opposite site... second bullet had expanded nicely, but the first shot not so much due to low velocity, it expanded a little but not much How far out are you for your can? Sounds like you get more fun time than I do. I need Fats to start selling me his new expanders. the outlaw state bullets work excellent but they're kinda pricey but not bad compared to what they sell loaded hunting sub rounds for at some places at like $100.00-$120.00+ a box... ridiculous!!! |
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The younger ones usually turn out quite a bit better. Plus he was at the butcher within 2 hours tops. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Congrats, he will be good eating!!! The younger ones usually turn out quite a bit better. Plus he was at the butcher within 2 hours tops. |
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i'll put em on ice for about 3-4 days to tenderize and bleed out the meat before I take em to the buther, that way all the rigimortis is out of it, and it bleeds it which takes some of the "wild" taste out the meat... with a wild hog i'll bleed them suckers on ice for about 5-7 days View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Congrats, he will be good eating!!! The younger ones usually turn out quite a bit better. Plus he was at the butcher within 2 hours tops. Hes a buddy of mine. It'll hang there until it's gtg. Then it'll get processed. ETA: sub hunting rounds are that expensive? |
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Congrats, he will be good eating!!! The younger ones usually turn out quite a bit better. Plus he was at the butcher within 2 hours tops. Hes a buddy of mine. It'll hang there until it's gtg. Then it'll get processed. ETA: sub hunting rounds are that expensive? |
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from what ive seen when I googled it one time, but that's for a 308, and it's a lot cheaper to handload em... ALOT cheaper, I can load 50rds for close to half that.... the sub bullets are on sale right now from outlaw state 100.00 per 100 of em.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Congrats, he will be good eating!!! The younger ones usually turn out quite a bit better. Plus he was at the butcher within 2 hours tops. Hes a buddy of mine. It'll hang there until it's gtg. Then it'll get processed. ETA: sub hunting rounds are that expensive? That's still pretty stiff. I Would buy from Fats and only use em for hunting but I'll stick to the home rolled 208s for now. |
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Nice kill.
Sooo wait. You guys are in gun season already? The season just started. |
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