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Posted: 4/30/2012 2:20:15 PM
[Last Edit: 4/30/2012 2:20:15 PM by Forest]
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Posted: 4/29/2012 7:55:53 PM
6.8spc if you don't reload.
.300 BO if you do Reload. YMMV |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 8:01:51 PM
Originally Posted By AMUshooter10:
6.8spc if you don't reload. .300 BO if you do Reload. YMMV 6.8 if you don't reload. 6.8 if you do reload as well ( you can get even more performance out of spec II pressures ). |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 8:30:59 PM
[Last Edit: 4/29/2012 8:45:18 PM by bwideman]
Either one will work just fine. In fact 5.56 does fine on whitetail. I think proper ammo selection and shot placement are the most important factors. My 9yo daughter shot her first whitetail last season with her 5.56 AR and Federal Fusion rounds. It entered, penetrated both lungs and came to rest in the ribs on the far side. There was massive internal damage/clotting.
I think either round will do what you are looking for. If you are ever going to suppress the rifle, I would give the edge to the .300BLK. As far as barrels, I like Krieger, Douglas, WOA, and Lothar Walther. I use several different triggers. I have had good luck with McCormick, Wilson Combat and Geissele. ![]() |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 8:36:00 PM
Unless you are looking to stretch the range out I doubt you will ever see a difference.
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Posted: 4/29/2012 8:44:36 PM
[Last Edit: 4/29/2012 8:48:49 PM by louisianarebel]
6.8
bison 6.8 with vx3 and larue mount ( not in pic)
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Posted: 4/29/2012 8:48:54 PM
6.8mmSPC SPEC II
especially if you handload 110gr at 2708 fps |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:04:30 PM
Originally Posted By bwideman:
Either one will work just fine. In fact 5.56 does fine on whitetail. I think proper ammo selection and shot placement are the most important factors. My 9yo daughter shot her first whitetail last season with her 5.56 AR and Federal Fusion rounds. It entered, penetrated both lungs and came to rest in the ribs on the far side. There was massive internal damage/clotting. I think either round will do what you are looking for. If you are ever going to suppress the rifle, I would give the edge to the .300BLK. As far as barrels, I like Krieger, Douglas, WOA, and Lothar Walther. I use several different triggers. I have had good luck with McCormick, Wilson Combat and Geissele. http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac212/rbdub474/IMAG0358.jpg Nice shot that will make any dad proud. |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:14:27 PM
6.8 SPC will serve you well!
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:14:35 PM
I would look into Remington's .30 AR. Looks like a decent hunting close to medium range round for an AR.
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:18:17 PM
6.8 SPC is a proven deer slayer, there are plenty of dead deer pics over in the hunting section on 68forums
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:46:35 PM
Given that .223 is more than enough for a deer, you should be fine with either... so get both!
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:49:31 PM
Originally Posted By Usagi:
Given that .223 is more than enough for a deer, you should be fine with either... so get both! Ya'll must have little deer in TN. |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 9:50:55 PM
[Last Edit: 4/29/2012 9:51:38 PM by Jonnysixguns]
Since there's a thread going... I have been wanting to know what makes the .300 blackout better than 7.62X39? Do the bolt face and mags really out do the practice ammo price?
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Posted: 4/29/2012 10:09:40 PM
Originally Posted By Jonnysixguns:
Since there's a thread going... I have been wanting to know what makes the .300 blackout better than 7.62X39? Do the bolt face and mags really out do the practice ammo price? IMHO where the .300BLK shines is suppressed. Try finding 7.62x39 with a 220gr subsonic loading. And yes the mags make life a lot easier. Just look up how many people have had issues getting x39 running in AR platforms due to mag problems. |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 10:11:47 PM
Originally Posted By Jonnysixguns:
Since there's a thread going... I have been wanting to know what makes the .300 blackout better than 7.62X39? Do the bolt face and mags really out do the practice ammo price? Yes. Can't beat a gun that runs with one that doesn't. |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 10:14:06 PM
[Last Edit: 4/29/2012 10:15:32 PM by bwideman]
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By Usagi:
Given that .223 is more than enough for a deer, you should be fine with either... so get both! Ya'll must have little deer in TN. I have shot 170-180 class bucks in northern Missouri with 5.56. Several dropped without running, and others fell within 75yds or less. It's not like you are trying to kill a thick skinned dangerous game animal. It is just a whitetail deer. You can kill them with a .22LR if you put the round in the right spot. Some people feel you need a magnum round to kill a deer. Not implying you, but I think a lot of people are just trying to compensate for a lack of ability when they believe it takes a large/magnum round to kill a deer. |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 10:19:13 PM
I actually intend to use 5.56 next time I hunt deer, but I think that characterizing .223 as "more than enough" for deer is unreasonable.
But then, I'm a cautious fellow when it comes to choosing hunting calibers. |
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Posted: 4/29/2012 10:23:57 PM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I actually intend to use 5.56 next time I hunt deer, but I think that characterizing .223 as "more than enough" for deer is unreasonable. But then, I'm a cautious fellow when it comes to choosing hunting calibers. Nothing wrong with being cautious. I normally hunt with a .270 because I am comfortable with the rifle. I just get tired of seeing people go to the range once a year and sighting in their .300 WIn mags and Weatherby mags thinking that the supersized round will make up for them being lousy sportsman/marksmen. If people make the shot count, that is what matters. Also taking a light carbine in the woods is pretty nice compared to lugging a heavy bolt action around. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 9:39:55 AM
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I actually intend to use 5.56 next time I hunt deer, but I think that characterizing .223 as "more than enough" for deer is unreasonable. But then, I'm a cautious fellow when it comes to choosing hunting calibers. Cautious you should be I saw 2 deer in my lifetime shot with 223/556 and neither one was recovered I guess if your going head or neck 223 will work. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 9:55:44 AM
I know alot of those people! They hang a target, usally a paper plate and as long as they can hit the plate they say thats good enough for deer! Most of those people never actully use the crosshairs in a scope, they just see deer in the center of the scope and pull the trigger! I have some heavy calibers, a .338 Win Mag and a .350 Rem Mag, I use to live up in the great northwest and hunted black bear and elk and needed the heavy weights. The first year both my son's was old enough to deer hunt I let them use my regular rifles (.243 & .308) I took my old Remington 600 in .350 mag (a good light weight rifle) but the only ammo I had was some handloads loaded for bear. I shot a doe in the left front shoulder, when we rolled her over you could have stuck a football in the exit wound! Yea way over kill, lost all the meat off the front end of that deer!
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Posted: 4/30/2012 10:12:22 AM
I would rather have the 6.8 myself
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Posted: 4/30/2012 10:18:06 AM
Originally Posted By bwideman:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Originally Posted By Usagi:
Given that .223 is more than enough for a deer, you should be fine with either... so get both! Ya'll must have little deer in TN. I have shot 170-180 class bucks in northern Missouri with 5.56. Several dropped without running, and others fell within 75yds or less. It's not like you are trying to kill a thick skinned dangerous game animal. It is just a whitetail deer. You can kill them with a .22LR if you put the round in the right spot. Some people feel you need a magnum round to kill a deer. Not implying you, but I think a lot of people are just trying to compensate for a lack of ability when they believe it takes a large/magnum round to kill a deer. +1 Ive seen a few IN.WT deer fall right on the spot with hi power 22 caliber rifles/carbines |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 11:54:52 AM
.300 blackout fan boy here.
Figure the distance you plan on shooting. Less than 200, then the 300 blk will work very well in supersonic mode. Subsonic will be a little difficult, but can be done if you know range estimation and know the drop, but they may be moot if you live in a place where you cannot have a suppressor. advantage of same mags and bolt can save some money, but may not make a difference depending on what manufactures you go with. Longer distance or not familiar with drop. then the 6.8 may be a better choice for you. And clearly it has taken down a lot of deer also. As stated above I am a .300 blkout fan boy I or my daughter have killed 8 deer with 300 blackout. While I own a suppressor I cannot use it here in North Carolina for hunting YET? But there are some states that you can use one. For instance Virginia. But notice all loadings but the one my Daughter shot were subsonic. I did this because I wanted to see for myself what it would take to take down a North Carolina white tail. That and reading post saying it cannot be done. 1st deer 2010 season 6 pointer missing an antler, neck shot drooped on the spot 178gr Amax 935fps
2nd Deer 2010 season 6 pointer did not get good pics of this one. Vitals shot bullet tumbled on exit. Made it 30 yds
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Daughter took this one this year 180gr Prototype low velocity expander 1475fps
Exit wound
did a lot internal damage made it less than 50 yds 1st one for me this past season 200gr Prototype low velocity expander 935fps
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found bullet just under skin on other side hit bone the whole way
serious spine damage
2nd one this past season
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3rd one I actually thought was a large Doe, but ended up being a descent size button buck. Right at the base of the neck and back. dropped where he was. he was still breathing a little when I got to him so finished him with my .22 1911 top of head.
recovered bullet in left shoulder.
4th one was another small doe a pair came in so I lined up one and took her in the shoulder. she ran off about 30yds and was dead.
Double lung shot Entrance
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Now the funny part was when I shot the other one of course took off the opposite direction then the one I shot. When I got to where I shot her I found this on the ground:
I was confused because I new where I had aimed and she was walking slowly when I took the shot, plus there was a blood trail . So I followed the blood and there she was. In just that few minutes, I had forgotten about the tail until I drug her back to where I shot her and then saw the tail on the ground again. I looked at her tail and the whole thing was there. I realized that as she was walking she had walked in front of the other one and when I took the shot the bullet went thru and then clipped off the tail of the other one.Last one was a mercy kill spike buck came in limping and only one antler.
His back leg looked like it had been hit with a shotgun pellet. bone was shattered and had started to heal all messed up. wound was infected. the other antler which I thought maybe had broken off had actually never started growing. We have hunters that run dogs in this county and this is seen a lot. guy tries taking a shot at a running deer with his 12 gauge and all he does is wound it All in all a successful year. All six deer shot with .300 blackout recovered and processed. Meat in freezer and looking forward to next season. It has become My go to hunting rifle. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 12:32:41 PM
either will work.
i prefer the 6.8, it will reach out and kick some ass. |
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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:39:28 PM
[Last Edit: 5/1/2012 6:42:41 PM by WVHunter1s1k]
Originally Posted By Twisted10:
either will work. i prefer the 6.8, it will reach out and kick some ass. Another one for 6.8. (Look for SPC II (1:11, most have it now.) It has the legs to reach out further & flatter than the blk. But, if your into subsonic suppressor shooting, blk does a very good job. Oh, johnysixgun, Yes, the .300 does better suppressed. Although, the blk is slower than the 7.63x39. It just needs a banana type clip. That was the big mag issue you have heard above. Trigger, barrel stock & forearm, So many choices on them. Magpul stocks seems to be very popular. Triggers, what is your budget? ARP & Bison makes very popular 6.8 barrels. Although, ARP, has their own 6.8 chamber& rifling design. But, there are many companies that sell 6.8 barrels/ upper to choice from. Someone else will have to speak for 300blk barrel/uppers. It's your choice. |
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