Regular 20-rd mag –– remove floorplate, insert 3.25" tall block of wood or plastic, replace floorplate.

WHat scope mount is that?

60 gr Nosler Partition......Both Federal and Black Hills offer factory loads, others might as well. They WILL do the job.


RG

Good thread for the positive posts
Daughter is getting set up to use an AR next season
Clone Red/Green dot
I have a 22 conversion to start her off
She'll be 6 She wants to go this year but does not want to go to the range so we are going to take small steps for next year

I'll be using 55 to 65 grn in a 1-9 twist
I'll see what it likes
It likes the 50 grn HP from WW but I do want a little more bullet even for the little deer in Texas

In put taken IM

I know what you are saying here, but don't forget a smaller bullet with highter velocity has more foot pounds of enery at closer ranges. So a marginal hit MAY be negated. Look at the 62 Gr Barnes bullet, and its lighter counterparts, the 53 and 55 gr TSX.

EDITED, left out the word bullet.

Do you cut the spring??

The short answer: Those work very well.


The loooooong answer:

I made these posts in several similar threads. Someone should make a compilation of the threads on this subject and tack it...


.416 Rigby with a 400gn Hornady softpoint @ 2500 FPS at the muzzle. Range 150 yards. The bullet entered the left chest just in front of shoulder (deer quartering towards me) obliterated the top half of the heart and liquified the front half of the lungs, then came to rest on the ball joint of the right hip. The 10 point buck stayed on his hooves and ran 40 yards. No blood trail, not a single drop.

.223 Rem with a 60 gn Nosler Partition @ 2900 fps. Range 165 yards. Classic broadside shot just behind the shoulder on a mature doe. Bullet penetrated completely through the ribcage leaving a golf ball sized exit. The heart was missing 2/3 of it's top half with 6" diameter area of both lungs liquified. The doe ran about 50 yards. OK blood trail.

.223 Rem with 62 gn Barnes TSX @ 2900 fps. Range 145 yards. Classic broadside shot high in the shoulder on a mature doe. Bullet penetrated completely breaking both shoulders leaving a quarter sized exit wound. 6" diameter area of both lungs liquified. Doe DRT. Not a single step. (I had the exact same shot and performance using a 120 gn Barnes TSX out of my 6.5x57 @ 2900 fps on a small 8 point. My son had the same performance with a 180 gn TSX out of the .308 @ 100 yards. There is something "magic" about the high shoulder shot, 1/2 to 2/3 of the way up the chest/shoulder that just seems to work like a light switch. I think it traumatizes the spine and knocks the deer out, then they bleed out before coming to.)

7mm Rem Mag with 140 gn Nosler Ballistic Tip @ 3000 fps. Range 100 yards. Classic broadside shot on a mature buck. Buck dropped at the shot, then while my buddy and his young son were giving each other high fives, the deer walked off into a thorn thicket so dense we had to crawl into it on our hands an knees. We followed a blood trail that at times was so heavy it looked like someone was pouring it out by the Coke can. The trail went on for about 400 yards through the thicket, then into an open field where it tapered off to a few drops then stopped. The deer was never recovered. It's as if it "rubbed some dirt on it and walked it off". (The year before, my son shot a nice doe with a .223 62 gn TSX from the exact same blind and had the exact same results, except the blood trail only went about 100 yards. The folks who own that property say they have lost DOZENS of deer the same way from that blind with 7x57, .270, .308... As hard as we all try to recover every animal shot, there will always be a few that haunt us.)

I've seen enough deer shot with the .223 to know that a 60 gn or heavier bullet designed for use on deer sized game will leave a wound channel that is virtually indistinguishable from that of a .270 or .30-06 IN THE CASE OF BROADSIDE SHOTS WITH RANGES OF 250 YARDS OR LESS. I've seen enough deer shot to know that you can NEVER count on a blood trail even when using a .416 Rigby. Heart shots work, but the deer is going to run for 30 to 200 yards, maybe more. High shoulder shots tend to be DRT but you are going to waste a large part of both shoulders. There's not a cartridge in existence that doesn't have at least 1 "failure" on it's record.

.223 with 60 gn and heavier bullets will work just fine if the hunter is patient enough to wait for a shot that will pass through both lungs. A flubbed shot with ANY cartridge has a high potential for unrecovered game.


I know there is a bit (quite possibly a LOT) of disbelief/hesitation for a lot of folks to trust a .223 to properly do the job on deer sized animals. I WAS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. I grew up when most of the experienced hunters viewed .243 and 6mm Rem as marginal, and PROPER deer cartridges started with the .257 Roberts.

Given the projectiles available in most areas in the 70's and 80's, old cup and core designs the best of the era being the Remington Core Lockt and the Hornady Interlock, the seasoned hunters were probably right. Sure, the Nosler Partition had been available to handloaders for about 40 years, but just as today the VAST majority of hunters bought their ammo from the local sporting goods counter at Walmart or a local Mom & Pop gun shop, and they probably decided to buy whichever box was cheapest. The major manufactures didn't really start offering their 'premium' bullets until the late 80's early 90's, and if the local shop even carried them, they were usually twice the price of the standard offering (that really hasn't changed over the years). Remember, this was WAY before the internet and the Cabela's and Bass Pro mega marts.

Back then, the manufactures marketed ammo and rifles tailored to specific niches. They loaded .223, .22-250, .243/6mm ammo with light weight thin jacketed bullets, and they offered rifles in those calibers with slow twist 1/12 or 1/14 barrels. Using those combinations on deer sized game most certainly was a BAD idea. Remember when a 55 gn .224" was HEAVY? What about 80 gn .243"... They didn't offer anything else because their slow twist factory barrels couldn't stabilize anything heavier.

Technology has made BIG advances over the last 30 years. Electronics and data communications have been the leaders of the pack, but the bullet tinkerers have been busy too. The current bullet technology is FAR ahead of the old cup and core designs. Bonded core bullets like the Swift Scirocco, Hornady Interbond, Nosler Accubond, Remington Core Lockt Ultra Bond are marvelous. The monolithic copper bullets like the Barnes TSX and the Hornady GMX are astoundingly effective.

We can thank the custom barrel makers for the fast twist barrels we have today and the custom bullet makers for the heavier, bonded core/monolithic copper bullets that are available. Today's .223 Rem loaded with a 70 gn Barnes TSX coupled with a 1/7 twist barrel is VASTLY different than the .223 rifle and ammo on the shelves in 1980.

The very first deer I saw taken with a .223 was shot by the now ex-wife of a well known member here. She wanted to hunt, but the .270 her husband was using kicked too much for her to handle. I had been reading of many folks using .223 loaded with quality 60 gn and heavier bullets for a few years, and I decided to load up some 60 gn Nosler Partitions with an eye on shooting a deer with them. Well, as things worked out, Nicole was the one who actually got to do it. We spent about an hour on the 100 yard practice range making sure she could keep every shot in a 4" circle, and we talked all about whitetail anatomy and bullet placement. Nicole went out to the stand that afternoon and shot a small doe at 40 yards. The deer was quartering away from her. The bullet entered on the left side about 3 ribs up from the diaphragm, it obliterated the liver and both lungs, then broke the right shoulder leaving a golf ball sized exit wound. She said the deer dropped in its tracks and kicked for a few seconds, but died before she could reload. That deer was hanging in the skinning shed next to another one that had been dropped with a .270 when I got back to the ranch house (empty handed, I should add). The wound channels were VERY similar. She was quite happy with herself and she had every right to be. She went out to that stand alone and cleanly killed her first deer without ANY assistance.

In all honesty, the .223 worked a LOT better than I ever thought it would. Over the years the range has increased but the results have remained consistent. I'm comfortable that a properly loaded .223 is very capable of cleanly killing 250 lb whitetails out to 250 yards AS LONG AS THE HUNTER HAS THE PATIENCE TO WAIT FOR A REASONABLE BROADSIDE SHOT AND THE SKILL TO PUT THE BULLET THROUGH BOTH LUNGS.

Contact Remington Customer Service and ask what they would recommend from their ammunition line to use for whitetail deer hunting.
You'll be a lot better off if you do.

I could not find any of the below listed Fed 60g Nosler , but I did find some Federal Premium Tactical 62g Bonded SP .......Opinions???

If you have question about Federal ammo in 223, contact Federal yourself and ask them.
http://www.federalpremium.com/general/our_company/contact_us.aspx
I contacted them, asked them what three bullets in 223 they manufacture would they recommend for deer hunting.
Their response said only the 60 gr Nosler.
By all means, don't take my word for it, or anyone else's. Contact the manufacturer of the ammo and see what they say.

I just purchased 50 55grain TSX and 50 62 grain TSX's. I plan on loading them this week with varget and w748, and working different powder weights to see what works best out of my heavy barrel 1/9 16" RRA.

I'll be using those bullets with a Mueller 4.5x14x40 scope. Plan on taking a shot under 200 yards, preferrably 50 or less. It's only my 2nd season so I'm going to over power the scope to make sure I get proper shot placement.

Will also be my first time reloading. Wish me luck.

Are you talking the CorBon 223 -62G BARNEs X-Bullet round??

.223 Rem with a 60 gn Nosler Partition @ 2900 fps. Range 165 yards. Classic broadside shot just behind the shoulder on a mature doe. Bullet penetrated completely through the ribcage leaving a golf ball sized exit. The heart was missing 2/3 of it's top half with 6" diameter area of both lungs liquified. The doe ran about 50 yards. OK blood trail.

.223 Rem with 62 gn Barnes TSX @ 2900 fps. Range 145 yards. Classic broadside shot high in the shoulder on a mature doe. Bullet penetrated completely breaking both shoulders leaving a quarter sized exit wound. 6" diameter area of both lungs liquified. Doe DRT. Not a single step. (I had the exact same shot and performance using a 120 gn Barnes TSX out of my 6.5x57 @ 2900 fps on a small 8 point. My son had the same performance with a 180 gn TSX out of the .308 @ 100 yards. There is something "magic" about the high shoulder shot, 1/2 to 2/3 of the way up the chest/shoulder that just seems to work like a light switch. I think it traumatizes the spine and knocks the deer out, then they bleed out before coming to.)

7mm Rem Mag with 140 gn Nosler Ballistic Tip @ 3000 fps. Range 100 yards. Classic broadside shot on a mature buck. Buck dropped at the shot, then while my buddy and his young son were giving each other high fives, the deer walked off into a thorn thicket so dense we had to crawl into it on our hands an knees. We followed a blood trail that at times was so heavy it looked like someone was pouring it out by the Coke can. The trail went on for about 400 yards through the thicket, then into an open field where it tapered off to a few drops then stopped. The deer was never recovered. It's as if it "rubbed some dirt on it and walked it off". (The year before, my son shot a nice doe with a .223 62 gn TSX from the exact same blind and had the exact same results, except the blood trail only went about 100 yards. The folks who own that property say they have lost DOZENS of deer the same way from that blind with 7x57, .270, .308... As hard as we all try to recover every animal shot, there will always be a few that haunt us.)

I've seen enough deer shot with the .223 to know that a 60 gn or heavier bullet designed for use on deer sized game will leave a wound channel that is virtually indistinguishable from that of a .270 or .30-06 IN THE CASE OF BROADSIDE SHOTS WITH RANGES OF 250 YARDS OR LESS. I've seen enough deer shot to know that you can NEVER count on a blood trail even when using a .416 Rigby. Heart shots work, but the deer is going to run for 30 to 200 yards, maybe more. High shoulder shots tend to be DRT but you are going to waste a large part of both shoulders. There's not a cartridge in existence that doesn't have at least 1 "failure" on it's record.

.223 with 60 gn and heavier bullets will work just fine if the hunter is patient enough to wait for a shot that will pass through both lungs. A flubbed shot with ANY cartridge has a high potential for unrecovered game.

I think that I'll try my AR 15 as well this year.I am going to go with the 62 grain Barnes triple shock bullet.