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Used my Bushy ORC 16"barrel this morning. Shooting Black Hills 69gr. Match hollowpoints. I don't recomend them for deer hunting though. 150 yd heart shot through & through & she still ran about 200 yds before she relized she was even hit. I thought I had missed her for sure but followed her till she dropped with my bino's. When field dressing her it didn't break the diaphram at all and as another said previously everything looked like it went through a blender. I'm going to try to find some winchester 64Gr or the 62gr Barnes since we have a min of 55 gr here in Oklahoma. Good hunting & great info.

Glad to see those Remington rounds work, because I took my M&P 15 out this year for the first time with no luck. I had a doe at 15yds, quartering to me when I took the shot. No blood and never found the deer. I will give it another try again next year.

My first deer with the .223 was sometime in the 70's. The gun was a Ruger mini 14 and the load a pmc 55gr. fmj––standard military ball. The shot was close, maybe 30 yards or so and the bullet penetrated both shoulders. Deer walked away like it wasnt hit and went maybe 20 yards or so and was dead. There was a great blood trail though and when I got there she still had blood bubbling from her mouth and a great exit wound. Still, the way she walked away made me think that this wasnt the caliber for deer.

Fast forward to last Sunday. I have a little piece of land I hunt and as of late theres more and more people moving in all around. So I decided I would give it a try once again instead of using my 7mm mag or .308 for safety reasons. I loaded up some Barnes 62 gr. 3x bullets over some WW748 with a mag primer. They shot well out of my 20 inch Bushy so out I went. I was still very skeptical of the round for deer and also because I can get shots out to 250 yards. Just before dark on the last day of the season out comes this 8 pointer. He stood broadside at about 220 yards. I aimed and said to myself "o shit, now or never". At the shot, the deer went up on his hind legs, then came down and started to run. I could tell that he was seriously hit, no doubt. I went down to where he was standing and there was no blood. I went in the direction he went into the pines and after a few yards found a good splatter of blood on the goldenrods. I stood there and looked around and there he was, dead. He rand a total of about 30 yards. The bullet caught him in the base of the neck below the spine and penetrated completely leaving a 3/4 inch exit wound. Skinning displayed lots o trauma.

The moral of this story is I am astounded by this round and, it's going to be my deer hnting round from now on. I have been hunting for almost 50 years and this rocked me. I always knew the Barnes was a real good bullet but figured it for maybe 100 yards or so, not 220. Where have i been??? LOL I have pics and if I get unlazy and resize them I will post them up.

Your buddy is using bullets designed to come apart on chipmunks, that is the reason for the lack of penetration. If he would have been using a bullet designed for deer sized animals like TSX or a Partition, he would have had complete through and through penetration.

Absolutley with all of the above. I have had that conversation with him. He has a number if hunting rifles in all kinds of calibers - 223 to 6mm to 270 to 30-06. He was experitmenting with the bullets he had available to reload. I left off the last line of his email which said he was going back to his 27o.

I've shot 3 does with the Win 64 gr PowerPoint. All of them have worked just fine at 80 -120 yards. Full broadside penetration with ample evidence of expansion. However, they are simple cup and core bullets and therefore they are somewhat more prone to failure than bonded core or homogeneous copper bullets. Even .30 cal cup and core bullets have been known to "fail" on deer sized critters, but they generally have enough mass to get the job done even if they do come apart. .223 is effective, but the hunter must choose the proper bullet AND be patient for the deer to orient itself to the more favorable position, and be willing to let the deer walk off if the conditions are not right.

You mean except for 25% of the time?

In regards..... the one miss was due to a bad shot, you know that whole shot placement thing. Think I've heard that somewhere before! A gut shot is bad no matter what round you are using. Might as well have been with a .458. The results probably would have been the same. Honestly I'm pleased with the rounds my friends used. They seemed to work quite well. I would hunt with them and feel confident.

I still prefer the TSX over any other hunting bullet however. We just didn't have any in 223. I was hunting with a 6.8.

Got my 1st with the AR platform this morning. Using 16" mid-length, Blackhole Weaponry, barrel & Winchester Ranger 64gr Power Point. About a 70 yard shot; entered through Right front shoulder, breaking it; through rib; destroyed lungs & 1/2 of the heart; then exited other side. She ran about 30 yards before she realized she was dead. Not a wallhanger, but she'll fill a shelf in the freezer.

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I'll have no qualms using this same set up in the future. You just gotta keep the range reasonable and within the abilities of yourself & your equipment. As Dirty Harry says: "A man's gotta know his limitations".

Anyone had success with the 65 gr. Sierra Gamekings? I've just loaded some up to test at the range. Should be ~3000 FPS out of my 20".

Okay, thanks. I did some minimal research on the bullet construction but it is a good idea to call Sierra to make sure this is a SP for deer-sized game.

ETA: The bullet is designed for game up to and including whitetail deer.