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Posted: 5/6/2012 8:41:24 AM

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New ham here, trying to get my station finally setup in a permanent fashion. For HF, I'm going to be using an ICOM IC-7000 with an AH-4. I think we have a few people here using the AH-4 so I was hoping someone could answer a few questions on grounding for it.


I currently have an 8' ground rod driven in by the side of my house, connected to an entrance panel for the coax cables there. The entrance panel has ICE / Morgan arrestors (1 for HF, 1 for control lines, to be used with the AH-4 tuner cable for now, and one for UHF/VHF later). The AH-4 will be permanently mounted to the corner of the house on that side of the house, two stories up (just under the roof line) with a wire running out to some trees at the back of the yard. For the ground terminal on the AH-4, would it be fine if I ran that to the existing ground rod?


I'm not entirely understanding how much RF is going to be emitted from the ground terminal of the AH-4. I believe its ground does become an active RF emitter and part of the antenna. If that ground was connected to that ground rod, it would also be connected to the shields of all the cables entering the house. That ground rod is also bonded to the house ground so that may all start to have RF on it. Should the ground terminal on the AH-4 be run to a separate ground rod, that isn't bonded to the rest of the grounds? Also, should the ground cable coming off of it be insulated? I currently have a good deal of 6 gauge bare copper, but if it's going to be "hot", then I can't use that. I'm not sure how much insulation would be needed on that to make it safe. The maximum amount of power I could put into the AH-4 is 100 watts.


Thanks for any advice!

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Posted: 5/6/2012 11:25:11 AM
[Last Edit: 5/6/2012 11:29:57 AM by pcsutton]
I have no experience with the AH-4, but am very familiar with the SG-230. It's about the same principal. Your post sounds like you are employing a random wire antenna, as opposed to a balanced dipole or loop.

With the antenna matching units on a random wire radiator, one needs to keep the ground run under 3 feet. You may do better mounting the AH-4 lower, within a couple of feet of the ground rod, and running the ramdom wire up and then out.

I also isolate the antenna match unit on the 'other side' of the ground, and not inline on the radio side of the ground. (Not inserted in-ine before the ground rod. I use the same ground rod, but run a sepperate line betwee the antenna match and the ground rod.)

If you want to mount the unit up under your eves, why not just run a wire loop all the way around your house under the eves and back to the AH-4's ground attachment? Loops work well with these type of match units and loops are much quieter than other types of antennas. Loops require no other grounding.

Dipoles with matching length radiators also require no grounding with the AH-4 type units.

If it was me....I'd try the loop first. Get a ladder, roll of wire, and a staple gun....

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Posted: 5/6/2012 12:33:32 PM

While I agree with the above about the loop antenna, given a random wire antenna, the ground side of the tuner becomes part of the antenna. For this, a wire or wires need to run from the ground terminal on the tuner away from (opposite direction) of the 'hot' wire. With both wires in the air, the ends of the wires become high voltage points.(Tape well and insulate) Grounding one of those won't work out well and may cause problems. Grounding one end of a dipole antenna will shift the current lobe of the antenna and may cause high (er) voltage at the tuner. In this case, where the tuner is at the center of the dipole, the shield of the feed line ought to be grounded before it enters the house. A suitable lightning protection device for the coax would be a big help. If you can get a loop up 30 feet or better, go for it and ground the coax before it enters the house. Let us know how it works. 73, Rob
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Posted: 5/6/2012 12:41:40 PM
Thanks for the replies. I am doing a random wire antenna, not a balanced dipole. I'll try it out with the AH-4 mounted close to the physical ground, then run the antenna wire up the house then out to the trees. The idea of running a loop has crossed my mind, with the setup of my roof and yard, the random wire out to the trees seems better for now. I may switch over to a loop if I run into problems with that.


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Posted: 5/6/2012 1:33:11 PM
I have run this exact random wire configuration with an SG239 and it worked quite well. Not as good as the dipole it eventually turned into, but still very well.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 3:01:44 PM
Originally Posted By kevino42:
Thanks for the replies. I am doing a random wire antenna, not a balanced dipole. I'll try it out with the AH-4 mounted close to the physical ground, then run the antenna wire up the house then out to the trees. The idea of running a loop has crossed my mind, with the setup of my roof and yard, the random wire out to the trees seems better for now. I may switch over to a loop if I run into problems with that.


Thanks.


Be sure to put out some counterpoise, ground plane wire, for the other half of the antenna. 73, Rob
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Posted: 5/6/2012 5:34:27 PM
Here in this RV park I have a random wire inverted V up at 40' and my SG-230 uses the water supply system pipes as my counterpoise. Works pretty well.

I believe you should be OK with your random wire configuration, however you will still need a counterpoise that is electrically larger than a single ground rod. The counterpoise serves as the other half of your antenna, so it needs to be at least as 'big' electrically.

The loop is still your 'all around - no muss - no fuss solution'.

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