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Posted: 3/3/2010 11:16:06 PM
Originally Posted By spoil9:
For a general SHTF situation, can I assume that a sole 2M HT will be good enough?
- Will
Well ... to a point.

Gave a shot at a 2m net that meets up locally on 146.520 simplex at a set time on a set day. Net control was using a yagi to tune around to see what was out there. Brought in operators 40 to 50 miles away running their base stations. Myself on a 5w HT (VX-6R in the backyard) couldn't get him to hear me 12-15 miles away on flat land. He could hear a word or two of my call but I was so weak that it was no joy. Nobody was close enough to relay to net control. Not enough antenna. Not enough power.

Next try is to put together a mag mount to stick on top of the truck with a Comet SBB-2 and see what that can do.

My ultimate goal is to communicate 400 miles with portable or go-kit equipment which will get me well clear of any normal SHTF scenario such as a hurricane. The HT is OK for very local comm or through a repeater but I need more powder and bigger caliber. The .22Short ain't cutting it. The Comet on top of the truck is giving a .22LR a try.

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Posted: 3/4/2010 4:56:30 PM
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I half understand what you're trying to say.
From reading Jedi's posts, I'm going with both a HT for my person and a mobile for the truck. Since I don't want to waste my money I'll wait and save up so I can get both 2M/70cm dual band radios.
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Posted: 3/21/2010 5:46:28 AM
Originally Posted By HankEllis:
Gave a shot at a 2m net that meets up locally on 146.520 simplex at a set time on a set day. Net control was using a yagi to tune around to see what was out there. Brought in operators 40 to 50 miles away running their base stations. Myself on a 5w HT (VX-6R in the backyard) couldn't get him to hear me 12-15 miles away on flat land. He could hear a word or two of my call but I was so weak that it was no joy. Nobody was close enough to relay to net control. Not enough antenna. Not enough power.

Next try is to put together a mag mount to stick on top of the truck with a Comet SBB-2 and see what that can do.
Success!

Did get the combo together. Comet SBB-2 which eventually will be the mobile antenna on a mag mount to the VX-6. Got a solid login on that Wednesday net and the rest of the net helped out with signal reports and distances. Solid to 15 miles quickly fading by 20 miles. That most were running base station antennas probably had something to do with pulling me in. One issue worked out was mic gain. Apparently for simplex work I was not speaking close enough into the mic. Receive reports were clear but weak. Brought it a bit closer and turned up the mic gain a bit and I now had a solid contact.

Just something to think about when you put your rig together.

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Posted: 6/24/2010 2:15:53 PM
So as to not start a new thread for a simple question, I have a chance to pick up a new TG-UV2 for $70. It's a dual band HT, but from what I found they are no longer being made. Is this worth the money for someone who won't use it much? And by not much I mean I'll use it only a couple times a year and the rest of the time it'll sit in my BOB.

- Will
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Posted: 6/28/2010 10:02:31 PM
Originally Posted By spoil9:
So as to not start a new thread for a simple question, I have a chance to pick up a new TG-UV2 for $70. It's a dual band HT, but from what I found they are no longer being made. Is this worth the money for someone who won't use it much? And by not much I mean I'll use it only a couple times a year and the rest of the time it'll sit in my BOB.

- Will

Well, since no one more knowledgeable has replied, I'll take a shot at it... In a nutshell–– I personally wouldn't. The e-ham reviews were ok on that radio, but there are only three of them, and they don't go into that much technical detail. If your budget wouldn't allow anything higher then maybe it'd be ok to chance it, but if you have any problems you'll likely be stuck when you try to get any help. I try to stick to mainstream stuff–– at least then you can find lots of other owners who already had your problem, or can help you figure it out if not. Repairs on that radio might be non-existent if you have any trouble with it. You could probably find a used older Icom/Yaesu/Alinco/Kenwood in that price range if you shop hard. Then you'll have a supported and known quantity to start out with.

Just my .02 FWIW. HTH!

In what way will this augment my ability to "render inoperative armed opponents" and break things...? (Gotta stay PC for work... don'tchya'know....)
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Posted: 7/4/2010 3:32:03 PM
QUESTION:

If PL-239/SO-239 is no good for frequencies above ~300MHz, why does almost every single radio that does 70 cm/440 MHz use PL-239 instead of type-N ? Is type-N no good for 144 MHz?
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Posted: 7/4/2010 9:14:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Mr_Psmith:
QUESTION:
If PL-239/SO-239 is no good for frequencies above ~300MHz,

it's not that its "no good". it's just "not optimal". at 70cm/440MHz the PL-259/SO-239 performs "OK-ish", and in most situations "OK-ish" is good enough.

Originally Posted By Mr_Psmith:
why does almost every single radio that does 70 cm/440 MHz use PL-239 instead of type-N ?

(1) the PL-259/SO-239 pair is cheaper, and (2) in-the-field performance at 440MHz is "good enough".

Originally Posted By Mr_Psmith:
Is type-N no good for 144 MHz?

type N is good for the range of 0Hz to 18GHz or so. note that due to the limited contact area of the center pin on the N connector pair, the power handling capability of the PL-259/SO-239 pair is higher at modest frequencies (150MHz and down).

one nicety of the male N connector is that you only need a low power iron to solder it on; only the center pin is soldered to the coax; the heat-sucking braid is mechanically clamped. the other major benefit to the N connector pair is that, unlike the PL-259/SO-239 pair, it is designed right from the start to be weather-tight. and finally, a BNC female and an N male can be mated for a temporary, field-expedient emergency antenna connection.

btw, every single piece of (expensive) RF test equipment (e.g. spectrum analyzer, etc) has either N or SMA connectors on it. this type of equipment needs the performance of the N and this gear is sold at a price point that allows for the N.

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Posted: 9/27/2010 8:42:43 PM
AR-Jedi,
Is it worth it then to swap all my SO/PL-239 pairs with SMA or N then since I'm just starting out? And by all I mean all two pairs lol.


And for anyone else... suggestions for a temp cable run in an apartment building. I like to talk from my GF's apartment since she's on the third floor and her balcony faces my local repeater, but it's getting too cold to sit outside anymore. Would a flat cable or maybe a through-glass adapter to go through the sliding glass door hinder my operations?

Just picked up the book Ham Radio for Dummies and will start reading it soon. Hope that answers most of my simple questions.
Thanks guys.

- Will
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Posted: 9/27/2010 9:08:15 PM
Originally Posted By spoil9:
Is it worth it then to swap all my SO/PL-239 pairs with SMA or N then since I'm just starting out?

no.

Originally Posted By spoil9:
Would a flat cable or maybe a through-glass adapter to go through the sliding glass door hinder my operations?

an external antenna will help immensely. thread some thin coax (e.g. RG58) through the weatherseal in the door. just be sure not to slam the door on the coax, pinching it tightly.

Originally Posted By spoil9:
Just picked up the book Ham Radio for Dummies and will start reading it soon. Hope that answers most of my simple questions.

see also the Ham Radio 101 thread.

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Posted: 10/6/2010 10:34:45 PM
Thank you ar-jedi for taking the time to answer all these questions we have.
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Posted: 10/11/2010 7:03:12 AM
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We had a guy who went from no ticket to extra in one afternoon. I almost wanted to tell him a "back in my day" story


I did this saturday morning. Have to wait until Tuesday for my call to hit ULS.

Reading this thread (and this forum in general) helped a ton.
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Posted: 4/24/2011 10:14:01 PM
I'm just starting out and while I will be sitting the test soon and using study guides that just gets me through the exam, I don't want to just study for the test, so hoping I can pick up a bunch of information about protocol and etiquette and hardware options - can't find these tranceivers in Best Buy so it is difficult to get hands on experience with the hardware - might try and join a local club and get some hardware experience that way.

It is recommended my first radio be a dual band handheld tranceiver so looking for any recommendations. The Yaesu FT60 was recommended so I am looking at that, but if there is an Arfcom favorite that covers all the bands and is a good for beginners please let me know. I know these things can be expensive so I might take a look on eBay in the hope that amateur radio enthusiasts really do take good care of their equipment!!!!

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Posted: 4/24/2011 10:51:29 PM
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I don't want to just study for the test, so hoping I can pick up a bunch of information about protocol and etiquette and hardware options

if you have not found it already,
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=22&t=604477

Originally Posted By Stoop:
join a local club and get some hardware experience that way.

this is an excellent plan. even if you don't join, find out if the club(s) around you have "Field Day" plans for June –– this is en excellent way to get hands-on experience with various radios and meet some folks in the process.
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_Day_%28amateur_radio%29
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http://www.arrl.org/find-a-club

Originally Posted By Stoop:
but if there is an Arfcom favorite that covers all the bands

note that "all the bands" in practical terms includes HF, VHF, and UHF –– these all mode, all band radios (such as the Icom IC7000, Icom IC706MkIIG, and Yaesu FT857D) are generally fairly expensive and moreover you are going to need more than one type of antenna PLUS an antenna tuner for the HF side. these are small radios –– but not HT sized –– and are somewhat involved to operate as well compared to your average FM-only VHF/UHF HT.

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Posted: 9/4/2011 5:31:39 PM
Originally Posted By speedracer422:
Ok, I've resaerched this as well as most people here and am still confused and overwhelmed w/ the amount of info. Add to that I just can't afford another expensive, addictive time consuming hobby, sooo....

Is it possible and practical and purchase a ham radio for ~$300-$400 w/o any expensive upgrades (i'm thinking a portable model) and actually talk to people reliably 100 to 200 miles away w/o the use of repeaters? How much better are hams than gmrs in woods and urban settings?

i.e.; can I really use ham radio as practical form of comms in an all out emergency?



These are the questions I myself really need answered and I'm sure others here do to.


FWIW, I've tried GMRS radios around town in my AO and found them (8 mile cobras and cheapo cina mart unidens) to be lacking. My 8 mile cobras won't even go more than 12 blocks (no building over 3 stories in between us either).


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Posted: 9/4/2011 10:21:49 PM
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It is recommended my first radio be a dual band handheld tranceiver so looking for any recommendations.

I normally recommend a mobile type radio instead of a handheld. Handheld seems desirable as an only radio because it's easy to use everywhere... but you usually rapidly discover that you need a speaker mic, power cord and external antenna to be very useful in the car... and similar in the house... then you end up just leaving it one place or the other because it's too much trouble. Mobile gives you a lot more performance in an easier to use package.
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I get balanced lines from the 2 wires carrying the 2 signals but I don't get how they are out of phase. What makes this happen?
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I get balanced lines from the 2 wires carrying the 2 signals but I don't get how they are out of phase. What makes this happen?


I don't think I understand just what you are saying here; are you talking about the 2 wires on the dipole antenna?

If so: If both wires of the antenna are equal lengths, they are EXACTLY out of phase. One side will be "positive" when the other is "negative."

If one wire is shorter than the other, then things get more complex.
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If one wire is shorter than the other, then things get more complex.

ba-dum-bump.

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I get balanced lines from the 2 wires carrying the 2 signals but I don't get how they are out of phase.

a balanced (or in low level analog and digital electronics you could say "differential") transmission line differs from an unbalanced (you could say "single ended") in that there is no specific reference conductor in a balanced transmission line, and the impedances of the two respective lines are the same.

i could type for about a half hour here; instead, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_line
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_circuit

Originally Posted By Edisla:
What makes this happen?

in relatively low-frequency RF applications (less than, say, 50MHz) , such as we discuss on this forum, a transformer makes it happen.

see also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun




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Originally Posted By ar-jedi:
Originally Posted By Edisla:
I get balanced lines from the 2 wires carrying the 2 signals but I don't get how they are out of phase.

a balanced (or in low level analog and digital electronics you could say "differential") transmission line differs from an unbalanced (you could say "single ended") in that there is no specific reference conductor in a balanced transmission line, and the impedances of the two respective lines are the same.

i could type for about a half hour here; instead, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_line
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_circuit

Originally Posted By Edisla:
What makes this happen?

in relatively low-frequency RF applications (less than, say, 50MHz) , such as we discuss on this forum, a transformer makes it happen.

see also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balun

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Cdbalun2.svg


ar-jedi

I shall review this. Thanks!
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This might have been asked before, so sorry if it's a repeat. I am looking at the pool of questions on this page: http://www.arrl.org/question-pools

Are those the actual questions that will be on the exam that I will take? Like, if I had photographic memory, I could remember these and walk in and ace the test? In my academic experience this seems like magnanimous charity on behalf of the FCC.

Is this real life?

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This might have been asked before, so sorry if it's a repeat. I am looking at the pool of questions on this page: http://www.arrl.org/question-pools

Are those the actual questions that will be on the exam that I will take? Like, if I had photographic memory, I could remember these and walk in and ace the test? In my academic experience this seems like magnanimous charity on behalf of the FCC.

Yes!

Is this real life?

No, it's the .gov



Not open book, but yes; you review the complete questions and answers...good for 4 years per level of license and then they sorta shake 'em around a little to keep it interesting.

There are many on-line free and pay services that offer you the opportunity to study to pass.

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Thank you!

Also, I know what I would like for my call sign to be and I understand you can request it is no one else has it. Can I do this the day I take my test or do I have to get mine and then request a change?


And when the license is renewed, do you retake the test?
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Posted: 11/20/2012 6:17:12 PM
Originally Posted By SCWolverine:
[quote]Originally Posted By DiverDwn:
This might have been asked before, so sorry if it's a repeat. I am looking at the pool of questions on this page: http://www.arrl.org/question-pools

Are those the actual questions that will be on the exam that I will take? Like, if I had photographic memory, I could remember these and walk in and ace the test? In my academic experience this seems like magnanimous charity on behalf of the FCC.

Yes!

Is this real life?

No, it's the .gov
And FWIW. Pilot and Mechanic written exams for the FAA also have open question pools.

It's the way .gov is doing it and has been doing it for several decades.

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Also, do they ask every one of these questions in the pool?
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