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"Same old argument again?" Nate asked. When Jason gave him a questioning look, he continued, "I could hear you outside."

"Yeah, same old right-wing militia-nut bullshit," Eric sighed.

"Bullshit?!" Jason nearly gasped, anger and passion leaking through, "Bullshit?"

"For the most part it is, and you know it.."

"I pray to God that it what I worry about turns out to be wrong in the end, but bullshit? A few years ago, I would never have thought that I'd be standing here even talking about this seriously. Hell, a few years ago I would've made fun of anyone even suggesting such a thing, but now? Well," his features softened. He stared at the floor for a few seconds, "Now, it's a different story."

"A few weeks ago, I would've told you that you were a fucking idiot for even entertaining the thought. Hell, I still think you're paranoid."

"If I was truly paranoid, do you think I'd spend so much time trying to disprove myself? Trying to re-analyse everything just so I could sleep better at night? Do you think I've spent the better part of the last year spending all my extra money getting ready for something simply because I went off on a lark? Do I strike you as the kind of fanciful person to just latch on to things at random and waste my life on them?" He paused a second, grimacing, "Well, besides latching on to horrible girlfriends. We all have blind spots."

The other three stood, looking at him as if expecting him to continue.

"We've hashed over a lot of this already, especially the beginning of it all. Some of it made enough sense to you that some of you went out and got your FOID cards, but what I'm telling you now is that things are much different than they were before. I'll warn you right now, this is going to be disjointed as shit, it's not like I got notes or a speechwriter. Or a teleprompter.

"Months ago, we were looking at the great unknown because of the election. We were looking at a hurricane of spin and fear mongering; even I admitted to that then. Look, I'm not trying to say I'm some sort of messiah. I'm not. I'll be happy to agree with you that I let a smidge of paranoia accelerate the pace of what I was doing then, but with God as my witness, I have no doubts left. If something doesn't change, it will end in bloodshed. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

"Look at it this way. Before, it was all an unknown. Now, we know we have a President dead set on enacting every piece of Socialist bullshit that crosses his desk. Next week they're voting on the Health Scare bills, but it wouldn't surprise me if they find some way to cloak-and-dagger that shit through before anyone knows it's too late. They're talking about bringing that card-check bill back up again, and on top of that, they're agitating for amnesty again. None of that is going to make anyone happy. Throw in the fact that you have a foreign policy hinged on apologizing to everyone about how horrible we are and it seems to me that that this guy blatently wants to throw the game in Asscrackistan. I mean, seriously, it's been how long since McCrystal requested more troops and we still haven't heard anything out of him? How fucking long does it take? This is fucked up like a football bat; it's almost to the point where he might actually be worse than Carter. It almost looks to me like the asshole wants us to lose there, and if he doesn't want us to lose, then I've seen squid with more spine. They bitched and pranced around talking about how Iraq was Vietnam, and I tell you right the fuck now, unless a whole lot of heads pull out of a whole lot of asses PDQ, Afghanistan is going to be another Vietnam because of the fucking politicians. They thought they knew better than the military then, just like they do now. That's not even touching on the fact that both places ate up another country before we even got there or any of their soup-sandwich fobbit-sponsored retard policies. You've got Israel threatening to replace Iran with a series of large craters if there aren't any sanctions by the end of the year, North Korea popping off missiles left right and center, those commies in South America doing, well, commie shit. We abandoned Poland with the missile defense shit, and now Russia seems to think they've managed to get out of the minor leagues again and China, well, fuck. China. I can't tell you everything I know about that shit, but you guys already know as well as I do that they're styling themselves to replace us, and Sir Dickless the Savior of the World, Receiver of the Nobel Peace Prize, can't be bothered to do anything about any of what I've mentioned besides apologize for Bush, blame Bush, or try to pretend that the jackals he's so happy to sit down with are his friends. Fuck, even Neville Chamberland would've woken the fuck up by now.

"Now consider the domestic policies I haven't already mentioned, they've pretty much assraped the dollar while pretending they're not pulling every play out of Hoover and Roosevelt's playbook on depressions. The 'unofficial' unemployment rate is over 25% now. Trust me, that's more accurate than the 10% they're giving you. Look up how it's figured and you'll see. The dollar is dying, don't be too surprised when that shit-bird comes home to roost. Read the damn market ticker site, go back a few months and read up till now. The US financial industry as it stands exists like another set of the Emperor's clothes. Don't look too close, the Fed and the regulators are fucking each of us in the ass by refusing to do their jobs, and the fucking Democrats are looking the other way. I have a bad feeling that most of that shit is because those asshats wouldn't know what ethics was if it flew down out of the sky and rubbed one out on their face. To top that off, they are ignoring everything that doesn't fit their world view. They ignored the town halls. They ignored the tea parties. They've ignored all the questions about how they defunded Acorn for just the month of October. They are flat out ignoring the people, and to make things worse, the fucking Republican'ts aren't doing anything better because we elected a bunch of goddamn RINOs like McCain and that bitch from Oregon. They want to play 'go-along' instead of letting the Dems hoist themselves on their own petards. Those clowns are, well, just like every fucking politician in Washington, too worried about their reelection campaign to be bothered with reality. If we make it to the next set of elections, it's going to be ugly as shit.

"Other than that, they've essentially blacklisted Fox News, which, having watched the hell out of it, the worst you could say is that they refuse to give soft-toss questions to the man and have chosen to, I don't know, be real journalists instead of fucking lapdogs and propagandists like the rest of those flaming commies, but who needs the first amendment or an honest press corps anyways, right?

"You want to know why I'm so fucking worried? All that's about ninety percent of what's floating around in my head right now. Fucked up foreign policy, fucking our own military, fucking our own people, and telling us we should be fucking happy to have the opportunity to get fucked. Does that sound like a giant fucking rainbow and a basket of kittens? The country is on the wrong set of tracks, passing a 'Bridge out ahead' sign, and instead of trying to find out how the hell to get off the tracks or at the very least, hit the goddamn brakes, they're calling for full steam while ignoring anyone who tells them otherwise.

"Worst case scenario: someone is gets fed up with this. Someone who is so fucking short sighted they can't stop for a second stop and look at what's come before. Someone who will ignore any and all voices of reason telling him that making someone a martyr is the worst way to accomplish anything. I mean, look at the shit they lay on Kennedy now. Kennedy would be sick if he saw all the shit that gets done in his name were he still around; the man was an NRA member for Christ's sake, practically more Republican than most of our current Republicans! But no, someone will go off and do something stupid. Congress will reply with something even stupider, half because most of them are blinded by their anti-gun theology. Hell, don't be surprised guns had nothing to do with whatever happens but it results in a gun ban, these asshats don't know reason. Either way, half these guys will come up with the bullshit because they see a chance to get the utopia they've dreamed about, the other half will go along because 'they have to do something!' From there, it's a self-feeding cycle of idiocy until a large enough group of idiots sparks off the last stage of stupid and then a lot of people die. That is largely what I'm afraid of. Even the best case I can think of, based on the wholesale lack of give-a-shit about turning the country around, ends in a fuckton of shooting and good people dying.

"But you know what scares me the most about either one of those situations? It's the fact that that the idiots in charge would wipe their ass with the Constitution if it didn't mean losing an election. They think this place is their own private fiefdom and they waddle about incapable of understanding how people could possibly disagree with them. Innocent people will get labeled terrorists, dogs will get shot, all sorts of horrible shit. And then they'll finally run into someone who isn't a push-over wallflower who doesn't have anything left to lose. Shots fired, cops down, leftist media crying about terrorists, etc. That's how it'll start regardless of best or worst case. Small, and like a wildfire it'll spread. It's that simple.

"There might be, and I stress might, be a slim chance we'd get through this without it getting that far, but the current course changes, I'd take bets on the Cubs winning the World Series and the President not being involved in some way, shape, or form before I'd bet on the 'No bloodshed option.' Keep your powder dry and hold on to your hats, it's about to get bumpy."





I think discussing this issue with someone who thinks that "assault rifles are impractical for self defense" is like debating nuclear power plant design with a drunk who lives in a refrigerator box. -Aimless

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Originally Posted By Storm6436:
*bump to reset archive timer* More to come, been busy at work... and wishing I hadn't added the annoying co-worker earlier in the story.

Most of the characters are based on people I know, I drew the libtard chick out of thin air... and I'll be damned if they didn't hire the exact same person I'd drawn up 2 weeks ago


Well then, I guess you did base it on a co-worker, didn't you!
Hehe...you must have used your time machine to make that post.
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Bump to reset archiving timer... god I'm such a slacker. I come up with plenty of good ideas when I'm at work... but can't do shit about it there
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Bump to reset archiving timer... god I'm such a slacker. I come up with plenty of good ideas when I'm at work... but can't do shit about it there


Ah-hm.....it's called pen & paper, aka, notebook & pen.
Do I need to send you one, or do I need to have your GF get you one?
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Originally Posted By Storm6436:
Bump to reset archiving timer... god I'm such a slacker. I come up with plenty of good ideas when I'm at work... but can't do shit about it there


Ah-hm.....it's called pen & paper, aka, notebook & pen.
Do I need to send you one, or do I need to have your GF get you one?


Actually, I need to get one of those voice recorders for when I'm not at home, but not at work... can't have them at work, secure space and all that... meh, it's just messed up, as I've had a few really good ideas as to where to go with things here but can't make up my mind which is the most likely.
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Jason looked out into his back yard and scowled as he munched on the last of his pop tart. It had been four months since his conversation with Eric and the rest of the group and he didn't feel any any better prepared for what he felt was surely coming. The cold January wind blew bits of leaves around the trees as he watched and thought about events that had taken place since that talk. They all seemed jammed together in the way that only a busy life could make big events seem small. Sure, he'd stacked up a few more ammo cans worth of ammo, socked away a little more food, stacked up a little more gear, but in the end he didn't feel any further along than he was months ago. Eric had taken the initiative out of all his friends and obtained his FOID card and a .40S&W Walther P99. but so far, he had been the only friend who seemed to take the 'get a gun' advice seriously. After all, in the coming catastrophe, a handgun was of limited use and there were only so many long guns in Jason's house to go around.

He'd also made friends with the new coworker, Josh, on his shift a few weeks back, a fellow Navy guy fresh out of the service. Being friends with the guy was a foregone conclusion, he'd joked with Amanda that Josh was born in a secret government lab as a clone of his, only with a touch more redneck. And then there was Rebecca.

Jason and his newfound buddy had both had repeated incidents where politics resulted in some heated words with her. The problem had brewed for over a month and a half; Jason had initially tried to be a welcoming coworker but by the time Josh joined the shift, he'd switched tactics to complete avoidance. He'd seen what this kind of personality could to and had no desire to give her any more ammunition. Both of them did their best to not inflame the situation despite the inevitable snide comments, but things had come to a head when she'd made complaints directly to upper management that she didn't feel safe because both of the pair carried pocket knives and had "threatened her." Thankfully the situation resolved itself as other coworkers came forward and management discovered the difference between the allegations and reality. That didn't stop a few veiled threats referring to unemployment towards the two, but in the end some personnel shuffling kept the three apart.

Jason chased the last of his strawberry pop tart with the last of the milk in his glass, shook his head, and grabbed his ID. He knew he didn't feel any better off because the probable future kept getting darker no matter how fast he tried to prep for it. The Senate had passed its version of the health care bill, and since then the rhetoric had steadily ratcheted up. No longer did it seem to be a simple disagreement or a forceful difference of opinion. He'd listened to both sides and understood the rhetoric going both ways, but the language was changing, crystallizing. He'd always theorized an extension to liberal hatred, but idly theorizing it and seeing it were two different things. The future was getting darker because the potential paths to the future were dwindling and only the darker ones didn't seem to close. The last election was a disappointment for him, no doubt, but at that point in time it seemed a mistake that could be solved over time and changing people's minds. Now, with the language turning, changing minds seemed a more and more distant option; the language being used sounded more like wartime propaganda than a disagreement.

The fact that the current president seemed to be spending every waking minute trying to undermine everything the country classically stood for wasn't making this any easier. Alienating allies, attempting to suck up to enemies, encouraging anything and everything to advance his socialist agenda while trying to break the back of the United States. Three more years of this? Dear God, what have they done?

ETA: Now with 33% more proofreading! Don't be shy, if you see something fucked up, grammar, spelling... whatever, lemme know so I can fix it. I feel like I need to be in a special ed class based on what I cleaned up in this post
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Good story keep them coming I will keep reading.
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Originally Posted By coinshooter:
Good story keep them coming I will keep reading.


Will do, kinda bent at doing these quickie "time passes" sections, but seeing as some of the characters are derived from people I know, and some of the events are similarly derived, trying to tie things together and make them coherent is difficult without throwing out a silly amount of information that would probably bore most people to tears. This isn't going to win any writing awards, that's for sure, but I will say that if I thought I was going to go and get this published, there'd be a complete re-write of many different sections, as there's a marked difference between web-based fan-fiction and printed-on-dead-tree fiction.
I think discussing this issue with someone who thinks that "assault rifles are impractical for self defense" is like debating nuclear power plant design with a drunk who lives in a refrigerator box. -Aimless

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"So what you're telling me, Josh, is that you moved out of the hotel room you were staying in just to find out that the apartment management rented out the room you were trying to get... out from underneath you after you told them you'd have the final paperwork back in today?" Jason asked while pulling his CAC out of the machine he was logging out of.

"Yeaah. Now I've got to find another hotel to move to until I can find a place... and the wife is bitching at me every chance she gets about how shitty things are back in Washington," Josh sighed again, clearly frustrated. The two went through the motions, hitting buttons to open doors as they walked out to the parking lot now that their shift was over.

"That's fucked up, dude. That's a big pile of suck. When's she supposed to be moving down here?" The pair stopped at the gazebo that served as the smoke shack outside the building they worked in.

"Well, I don't really know, Jason... her command is fucking her around with her paperwork. You'd think it wouldn't be that hard to file some paperwork to get out. I mean, seriously, even according to their own rules, she's not able to do what they need to do, and when my son's born, it'll be even worse."

"Ugh. Well, hotels aren't cheap, even if you're going monthly. Tell you what," Jason paused, thinking for a second, trying to judge the situation. He balanced his urge to do the right thing, to be a good person, with the cold hard fact that not everyone was worthy of trust just because you liked them. Josh cocked his head to one side and waited expectantly for a few moments before Jason continued, "Yeah, tell you what, you've been a good friend so far, and I hate seeing good friends getting bent over a barrel. Moving your wife out here isn't going to be cheap, and getting fucked for hotel bills isn't going to make it any easier. I got a spare room upstairs and a couch downstairs. Grab your shit and you can crash at my place. Don't worry about paying me or anything, I'm not going to take advantage of a friend."

Josh brightened, "No shit? Won't Amanda mind?"

"Heh, well, it is my place and last time I checked, I still pay all the bills." Jason smiled.

"Holy crap," Josh sputtered, "You have no idea how much this means to me... I'll pay you back."

"Like I said, don't worry about it. If you really want to throw cash my way, wait till you're back on your feet and your wife is here."

A few hours later, Jason heard a vehicle pull up to the curb outside and peeked out the window to find Josh's SUV snugged up behind the car Amanda planned to buy from his sister. He started downstairs and beat Josh to the door by a few seconds. Jason flipped back the deadbolt, and opened the door just as Josh reached for the handle.

"Sup dude?" Jason asked.

"Got my shit, what's up, roomie?"

"Meh, not too much. How much crap you got?"

"Not too much, just what I could fit in my car. What I got here is pretty much it," Josh replied, nodding his head at the shopping bag of DVDs, a gym bag of clothes, and his guitar case.

"Sweet, didn't know you played," Josh said as he noticed Jason's acoustic and electric guitars on a stand.

"Yeah, I still suck, but I'm getting better."

"Cool, we'll have to jam or something."

"Like I said, I still suck."

"No worries."
I think discussing this issue with someone who thinks that "assault rifles are impractical for self defense" is like debating nuclear power plant design with a drunk who lives in a refrigerator box. -Aimless

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"Man, you weren't kidding," Jason heard from downstairs and shouted down to Josh, "What?"

"Your couch. It fucking rocks. I don't think I've sat in a couch this comfy."

Jason laughed, "Yeah, best thing to come out of my last relationship. Careful, it'll sneak up and rape you. You'll wake up two, three hours later with no idea what the fuck happened. Like roofies."

"No shit. Well... shit."

"What?"

"Dude, that fuckin universal health scare bill passed!"

"What?! You gotta be shitting me," Jason said, pausing the game on his PC, and heading down the stairs.

"Fuck me five ways from Friday, those dumb bastards did it," he said, watching the sneering, cheering faces on C-SPAN, "That takes us another notch closer to fo time."

"Fo time?"

"Yeah, another inside joke from the gun board I'm on."

"Dude, we heard you like memes, so we put a meme in your meme, so you can-"

"Shush. Shut your /b/tard mouth," Jason cut him off.

"Hah, and who's the /b/tard now, oldfag?" Josh laughed.

"Here, let me get you a spoon."

"A spoon? What? Why would I need a spoon?" Josh asked.

"So you can eat my ass; now be quiet."
I think discussing this issue with someone who thinks that "assault rifles are impractical for self defense" is like debating nuclear power plant design with a drunk who lives in a refrigerator box. -Aimless

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Jason took another drink from his beer and sat down on the porch and looked over at Josh who was shaking his head.

"Dude, you really need to work on your choice of beer. I mean, really? Stag?"

"Hey, what can say? Most beer leaves a really shitty aftertaste."

"And Stag doesn't?" Josh asked, incredulity in his voice.

"Not quite the same way, no. God help me, I kinda like the taste."

"I don't think God has much to do with it, buddy. You're fuckin hopeless. Be. Yond. redemption. Speaking of redemption, you know what we were talking about earlier? About how everyone needs a tribe?"

"Yeah, yeah," Jason noted the sudden serious tone creeping in.

"I wasn't kidding. Sooner or later, the train we're on is going to hit the end of the line. The guys pulling the switches, choosing the tracks? They're choosing all the wrong tracks, like they're searching for a dead end one they can drive us off of."

Jason pulled out his pack of cigarettes, pulled a red out, and lit it, "I know you're serious. You'll have to pardon me if I'm a bit hesitant to 'hook my train' to someone else's just yet. I definitely appreciate the offer though. I'll consider it, and I know you don't make the offer lightly."

"You know what I don't get, though?" Josh asked, sipping from his Bud Select.

"What's that?"

"With everything that's going on. With everything that's been said and done by these elected officials, why is it that nobody is doing anything about it? No mythical 'Fo time'?"

Jason visibly paused in mid-drag.

"Really, Jason," Josh started.

Jason could hear heat building in Josh's voice and decided to head it off at the pass, "Slow your roll, buddy, slow your roll."

"But-"

"No buts, man. No buts, it's really stupid simple. You want people to 'fo', you have to give them a reason to. They don't have a reason to."

"No reason to?" Josh started again, "How the hell do they not have a reason to?"

"Well, look at it this way, Josh. Most people are at least decently reasonable people right? What you're describing is generally not considered to be reasonable action. I'm not going to argue that point, but hear me out a minute. If you want you get reasonable people to do unreasonable things, you have to put them in an unreasonable situation where unreasonable action isn't so unreasonable anymore. You have to threaten their existence, undermine their ability to continue living the way they are, force them out of their comfort zone. People today have been lulled into a zombie-like state because they've never had it rough. Yeah, there's a bunch of bullshit flying around that has a bunch of people up in arms, but those are the people who are still awake and give a damn. The rest of the sheep think those folks are paranoid and crazy, but give it time. Way things are going, the sheep won't be able to graze about much longer.
"And besides which, Mr. I have a clearance, you really should think of the implications of what you seem to be asking for. It won't be pretty."

"I know-"

"No, you really don't. The lines aren't really drawn yet, so you don't have a clue how things could turn out. What would you do if, and I'm pulling this out of my ass, our own Federal government was the bad guy in all this. Some kinda nazi/commie shit goes down, and you work for them. What would you do then? I mean, you have a clearance. Hell, say it just starts looking like that's the way it's going to be. Shit'll get real fucking complicated real fast, so think a bit more and be carefuly what you're asking for."
I think discussing this issue with someone who thinks that "assault rifles are impractical for self defense" is like debating nuclear power plant design with a drunk who lives in a refrigerator box. -Aimless

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"Okay then, what would it take to set you off?" Josh asked.

"To paraphrase, 'when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

Josh cocked an eyebrow, "That's almost word for word from-"

"The Declaration of Independence," Jason smiled, "and yes, it is word for word. You know what's sad? When I first read that in high school, I couldn't have cared less about it or what it meant; same goes for the rest of the document and the Constitution too. Funny, how spending a decade in the Navy and watching the world change around you puts things in perspective and helps focus things for you."

Josh grunted, finished off his beer, and reached for the twelve-pack he'd brought outside, "Care to elaborate?"

"Well," Jason said.pulling out his iTouch, "Let me double check to make sure I haven't missed anything, but I'm fairly certain I remember most of it. Ah, yep, here we go:

"He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. One could make the case that everything done since this bullshit 'recession' started was designed to only make it worse. They've laughed at the idea of repealing any of the legislation they passed, and have threatened to veto anything we're likely to try if we win this fall.

"Yeah, tell me that ain't some bullshit," Josh interjected.

"He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. I'd say the first offense we've seen like this would be SB1070 from Arizona. Sure, they're not the first administration to ignore the problem, but not being the first to ignore it doesn't remove their responsibility for choosing to continue ignoring it. Shouting down the states that have tried to make up for their idiocy, filing suit, and running to the UN about it definitely makes this qualify.

"He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. I really wouldn't say we've seen this, though I guess if you were creative with logic, you could say the inverse is the issue, considering the illegal immigration issue. Instead of people who should get a say getting denied that right, we have people who should get the fuck out getting the ability to tell us how to run our own house."

"Fuck that noise," Josh snorted.

"He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. Not sure how say we had something here, but if I were one to stretch for things, I could make a case that the Dems constantly calling everyone back for a 'special session' to get their pet bills passed when they thought nobody would be looking qualifies.

"He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. No way to stretch that, it hasn't happened. In fact, I'd say that they did something like that, there would be blood in the streets PDQ.

"He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. I-"

"What the fuck does that mean?" Josh interrupted.

"Fucked if I know, right? Oh ah-ha, I see. Related to the section before it. So, first the King dissolved Parliament, and second, he refused to re-instate it. Well, if the first hasn't happened then this one hasn't either. Not so sure people would give them the chance to re-instate Congress.

"He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands. This throws back to Arizona, too.

"He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers. Same as the last.

"He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. Meh. You

could argue this one, considering how federal appointments work.

""He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. Hell yes, this one applies. Healthscare? IRS expansion? BATFE deciding the can do whatever the fuck they want, like arresting that guy in Texas for a private sale of a firearm to an illegal. An illegal with a fucking drivers license who spoke English. How the hell was he supposed to know the guy was an illegal? They can't 'profile' but now we have to? Fucking hypocrites. USDA with law enforcment doing armed raids on people selling their own milk to their neighbors or whatever? This one is true.

"He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature. Definately not, at least not in the way they meant and not that we know of if that were true. Congress reauthorizes the military every so many years to address this point.

"He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power. Not yet, and considering their distrust or dislike of the military, not likely.

"He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation. His collaboration with the UN, running to the international stage to crawl all overhimself. Add a side order of his supreme court nominees attempting to use foreign non-English Common Law in their decisions. I'd chalk this as a yes.

"For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us, You'd have to listen to Alex Jones to be able to argue this one. I'd expect that kind of paranoid type to argue that the militarizing police should qualify for this.

"For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states, and I would expect, like the above, for the tin foiler's the claim the police here too. Sadly, if you've seen some of the things going down lately, the case would almost be believable.

"For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world, not really, but if they start throwing in tarriffs or starting a stupid trade war.

"For imposing taxes on us without our consent, this applies if you consider the idea that Congress doesn't give a fuck what we think. Healthscare was a good example of taxes without the People's consent; even if a sizable portion of the morons don't realize it.

"For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury," Jason paused a moment, thinking. "Well, it'd be stretching but under the provisions of the renewed Patriot Act and and the like, I can see the government attempting to crack down on Constitutionalists once the ball gets rolling, and burying them behind a Patriot Act wall and a pile of national security letters.

"For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses, hasn't happened yet, but if we started handing people over to the UN's International Court of Justice, that would fit this one.

"For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies, I don't see how this would apply, though I guess you could make the case that the way the Feds treat the border states in the South, the legal fights to kill any state's ability to regulate itself or immigration. It'd be a stretch though.

"For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments," Jason Chuckled,

"Didn't they say they were moments away from fundamentally altering our country at the inaugeration? Sounds like a confession to me, lump in how they confiscated all the company shit and redistrubuted it, giving the shaft to investors when they took over the car companies and shredding contract law and investment principles when they did it. Yeah, that one's so easy it's shooting fish in a barrel.

"For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever, hasn't happened yet, though you have plenty of exectutive orders that probably should've been laws passed by Congress.

"He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us, this will be true once they decide to start cracking down on the Constitutionalists and Three Percenters.

"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people, same as above.

"He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation, hasn't happened that I'm aware of, and not to sound like I need tinfoil, but that doesn't mean it won't either.

"He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands, hmm. This was originally about sailors getting impressed into the British Navy, but I'd say if they started turning Constitutionalists as informers and using them against us, you could argue it.

"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions, first part you could make the case for, last part not so much. I think the 1800s made doing that again on a non-local scale pretty impossible.

"In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. The People have spoken many times, and ignored each time.

"Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends. I guess you might be able to replace British with 'elected' and attempt to make it sound like Congress should know better. They should, but I don't think it applies here.

"So, let's tally that up," Jason sighed, "Survey says, something like seven clauses valid today, two that are likely to true, five you could stretch for, and ten that aren't. If you didn't require a lot of proof and had a bad opinion of the government, that makes it fourteen to ten. Is that enough to justify insurrection to you Josh?"

"Well, put that way, not really. Kinda? I guess?"

"Exactly," Jason nodded, "The biggest error that most of the folks in the government make is that they don't bother to think that they're representing the government. Oh, they use it when it's useful, when it helps them steamplow opposition, but overall, they don't think anyone would object to what they're doing strong enough to do more than bitch. The funny thing is, ten years ago anyone talking about this kinda crap, I'dve labeled some kinda unibomber-esque nut, but nowadays, not so much. That's kinda the point I'm trying to get across, too. The way things are going, normal reasonable people are starting to talk about this, which is the first warning sign that something serious is growing, and I get the impression that the government folks are going to just keep treating this like some fringe-nutter movement and not take it seriously. They're walking the knife's edge on this, don't even know it, and the results can be pretty fucking nasty. It's like they don't realize how many people started to keep score in the last few years and are waiting for something to happen. I fear for my Country in ways I haven't in a long time."
I think discussing this issue with someone who thinks that "assault rifles are impractical for self defense" is like debating nuclear power plant design with a drunk who lives in a refrigerator box. -Aimless

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this can be the only explanation for not continuing...WE DEMAND MOAR
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